The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Nem0]

Well since you are now attacking the arguer instead of the argument, my respect for you is now zero.

Its funny how people start do do that when they are feeling insecure about their argument, you fail.

This is a discussion forum and people have the right to voice their opinions whether you agree or not, capiche?

Hehe big tough guy with his italian mafia comments aimed at me.. just too funny.

Its funny how people start do do that when they are feeling insecure about their argument

Oh I wasn't feeling insecure about my argument what-so-ever, thanks for your assessment though. Snoop and I have been bantering back and forth for a year and a half and just now you want to come defend him? Do you even read this thread?

The thing with this guy is, all he talks about is negativity within this niche. You will never see him contribute when things are going good, when there are good sales or when anything at all positive happens here. He is as unbalanced as they come and I will call him out on it everytime. He has called me out before many times, no big deal... I'm a man, I can take it. I sure don't need some wanna-be internet tough guy to come help defend me. That's nice that you have zero respect for me, quite amusing.... like it matters. Now run along or contribute something relevant to this thread..

 

[VirtualT]

Hehe big tough guy with his italian mafia comments aimed at me.. just too funny.

Heh, I ain't no tough guy, just someone who checked this thread and sees you making an ass of yourself. I wasn't so much defending him as calling you out for making personal attacks.

Your very confrontational aren't you, you obviously like putting people down, instead of their arguments.

I'm a man, I can take it

Could have fooled me, I would have picked you as a kid actually :wave:

 

[Nem0]

And instead of ruining this thread we'll let it go at that. Snoop had his opinion, I had mine and you had yours. If you'd like to discuss it further please feel free to instant message me through my profile. Or we can go duke it out in the chat room with the audience that has gathered below if you want :p

Anytime you have something to contribute towards LLLL.com here please do feel free. Lots to learn here about this niche, both negative and positive; luckily 99% of the people that contribute here post about both.

 

[tetrapak]

I think so personally, give it some time. At the moment the moment struggles to soak up even a couple of dozen drops.

Well, I give it another 3 weeks. In my opinion you were mostly right with your predictions until June 09, since then the prices of premiums are just growing, please see the sales data of September. I'm also skeptic about the massive low end drops, I mean, currently they are picked up in the first 3 minutes mostly. It would need a huge drop for them to be unregged again for a few days. Let's see, I'm curious myself.

 

[Tim Schoon]

everyone has their own vision in the domain business..

snoop says he doesn´t invest in LLLL.coms - thats his choice. but why does he post in this thread? looks like the only reason why he comes to this forum is to tell us our domains suck and are worth nada in his eyes..

we get your point snoop, now please just focus on your own kind of names, like we all do. I mind my own business, I suggest you do the same.

 

[Semtex]

Heh, I ain't no tough guy, just someone who checked this thread and sees you making an ass of yourself. I wasn't so much defending him as calling you out for making personal attacks.

He wasn't making an ass of himself if you ask me. Snoop will sit and watch prices grow for 4 weeks in a row and he doesn't seem to bother about posting about that. Like Nem0 says, he only talks about LLLL.coms when they drop in price. That is no different then me complaining in a Microsoft forum about their stocks that go up and down. I don't own any Microsoft stock so why would I care whether it goes up or down.

There can be legitimate conversation on both sides of the fence, but when you have the same guy coming to a thread every time the niche drops 1% talking about the same thing for the last 2 years, it gets kind of old. Then you have his occasional 3 person fan base that Snoop has, that like to come in every 3 months and stir the pot.

The regular 20-30 people that read this thread daily know where the market has went since 2007. I have sold more double premium names this year than anything. So, to have Snoop sit back and say that this niche is a waste every 3 weeks is complete crap. I have sold 3 quads this year and 17 double premiums. Each double premium cost me between $8-$20, and I sold everyone of them for $75-$300. So your facts about this niche dieing are complete bull**it.

The only reason that your words don't mean anything to me, is because you blanket the whole niche into one pile. If it's not a quad, you basically are throwing the entire niche under the bus. But if you put your CA$H where your mouth is, your statements would have more clout in this thread.

( there..... I am done ranting )

 

[accent]

Seems that the three hundred domains caused more people to watch the drop, so now they are snatched more quickly. Just shows that there is a lot of underlying strength in this market. Snoop - I think you are wrong this time. There will be no $60 quads and thousands of unregistered LLLL.coms. Indeed, I wonder if the handful I caught out of the 300 will be all I'll ever get for reg fee after 2007.

It is a myth that there were massive purchases just before the buy-out. The decline was pretty much a straight line for at least the last two years. The quality was almost all bad for the last six months, the 2007 drops we are seeing today are pretty similar to what we will see when the October 2007 purchases come around.

 

[snoop]

everyone has their own vision in the domain business..

snoop says he doesn´t invest in LLLL.coms - thats his choice. but why does he post in this thread? looks like the only reason why he comes to this forum is to tell us our domains suck and are worth nada in his eyes..

we get your point snoop, now please just focus on your own kind of names, like we all do. I mind my own business, I suggest you do the same.

Why does any naysayer post in this thread? It is no shock to learn someone negative on a category and tells others not to invest, does not invest in it himself either.

It sure would ne nice for the cheerleaders if there were no naysayers. That we could all "mind our own business"...except when it comes to cheerleaders telling people LLLL.com are cheap, likely to rise, have been rising etc which has been going on since the crash started in early 2008.

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Sorry Charlie but they haven't been struggling at all, the LLLL.com drops have been bought up very quickly, each day, all week. And unless another 300+ drop on the same day again, it looks like they will keep being bought up quickly. There IS a market for these regardless of what you try to lead people to believe.

Do you seriously expect people to believe that this market isn't struggling? The very next post is the daily update on LLLL.com's available to register which are often available for hours and sometimes days. That wasn't the case a month ago. This market is gradually deteriorating.

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It would need a huge drop for them to be unregged again for a few days. Let's see, I'm curious myself.

Would take a couple of hundred names in my view.

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He wasn't making an ass of himself if you ask me. Snoop will sit and watch prices grow for 4 weeks in a row and he doesn't seem to bother about posting about that. Like Nem0 says, he only talks about LLLL.coms when they drop in price. That is no different then me complaining in a Microsoft forum about their stocks that go up and down. I don't own any Microsoft stock so why would I care whether it goes up or down.

It is a bit like watching the stock market fall 20%, then if it goes up 1% the cheerleaders get all excited, only for it to fall another 10% staright after. These is nothing really positive to say for this market. It has been going down a long time and a few sales higher than a fortnight previous doesn't change things. The low end has completely collapsed ($60->$0) and the top end combo's such as quads are way way down.

 

[Nem0]

Do you seriously expect people to believe that this market isn't struggling?

See how he loves to twist things? Don't misquote me pal, I never said the "whole market" when I was talking about struggles. Just like Jeremy said, you always lump everything together.

In your post you mentioned this:

"At the moment the moment struggles to soak up even a couple of dozen drops"

I didn't really even understand that gibberish to tell the truth, but I think you were talking about the struggles of the LLLL.coms dropping and then being bought up.

That is what I was commenting on. I was not commenting on "the market" as you said I was.

Or, just what are you meaning this time when you say "the market"? You say it so often and lump everything together so much it's dizzying.

The very next post is the daily update on LLLL.com's available to register which are often available for hours and sometimes days.

More twisting. The way you spell things out, those who are not following the LLLL drops daily would be led to believe that very often the LLLL's are sitting out there many hours or days. Well this just isnt the case. They only sat for long periods after that massive drop. Put 2 and 2 together for once. When sellers flood eBay with 100s of LLLL.com auctions per day the prices will go down; likewise when an extraordinary amount of LLLL.com drop then it is going to take longer for the masses to register them. These are about the only instances you come in here; when eBay has very low sales from flooding, which results in .99 cents sales and under, or when a large drop has occured in which domains take longer to get snapped up.

What about all the positives, big snoop? Such as, after the eBay-sellers'-flood-auctions have gone the prices returned to normal. Nothing positive there? Have you looked at eBay prices lately? They have improved quite a bit. And what about the fact that all of the LLLL.coms - every single one of them - have been bought up? Even the large 300+ and 100+ drops? Not good news to you snoop? Sounds pretty encouraging to me and many others. You're just ridiculous, and those with rational noggins can easily look right through what you are trying to do.

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and the top end combo's such as quads are way way down

Wow. This example right here shows how he doesn't really follow this market and generally has no real clue as to what is going on.

Take a look at the quad market lately lil' snoop... see many of them in your prediction range of below $130? Or under $100 and spiraling downward like I believe you said they would be going? Looks pretty healthy to me.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Do you seriously expect people to believe that this market isn't struggling? The very next post is the daily update on LLLL.com's available to register which are often available for hours and sometimes days. That wasn't the case a month ago. This market is gradually deteriorating.

That was pure coincidence! Those names had only just dropped and were available for less than fifteen minutes. It's been a similar story over the last few days with all drops usually being taken within minutes or around a couple of hours at most. I wasn't always at the computer to check exactly when they were taken so names could've gone quicker in some instances. The biggest danger to the buyout IMO is if daily drop numbers show a steady increase, there are a higher proportion of bottom of the barrel names (for example unpronounceable names containing a Q and a V) or if there are a few days of very large low quality drops (like the 300 drop on 18th September). I will leave the domains and when they were taken at my site to help people make up their own minds.

 

[Nem0]

The biggest danger to the buyout IMO is if daily drop numbers show a steady increase, there are a higher proportion of bottom of the barrel names (for example unpronounceable names containing a Q and a V) or if there are a few days of very large low quality drops (like the 300 drop on 18th September). I will leave the domains and when they were taken at my site to help people make up their own minds.

Agreed.

Not sure what you meant by the very last sentence though..

 

[snoop]

That was pure coincidence! Those names had only just dropped and were available for less than fifteen minutes. It's been a similar story over the last few days with all drops usually being taken within minutes or around a couple of hours at most.

Right, but that is a world away from the situation a month or two ago when people thought the buyout would never fall over.

This is really what I mean by people building a case of improvement with "20% down, 1% up" logic. It has been going on for 18 months. A year ago it was names selling for $20, then nothing would sell under $25 for a few days and people would claim things are improving.

People see 15 minutes-hours as an improvement of a week or so ago when some names took days to get picked up. The market hasn't improved, we just haven't seen another big drop yet. A real improvement would be names getting competed for, ie names actually being worth something. The only people buying these bottom of the barrel names are very casual domainers who look at this thread and then mywordismybond.com every day or two.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Agreed.

Not sure what you meant by the very last sentence though..

The information on drops and when they were taken is useful. For example, if domains that satisfy my current buying criteria take longer and longer to be registered, or drop in greater numbers, I wouldn't be as keen to buy. Rather, I would consider selling in case there was a glut just around the corner which could devalue my holding.

 

[Nem0]

Right, but that is a world away from the situation a month or two ago when people thought the buyout would never fall over.

Generalities yet again. Who are these 'people'?

A year ago it was names selling for $20, then nothing would sell under $25 for a few days and people would claim things are improving.

Wrong. A year ago there were plenty of LLLL.com selling for well under $20. You just like to twist things.

The only people buying these bottom of the barrel names are very casual domainers who look at mywordismybond.com every day or two.

Once again he knows it all. He knows just who does what, when they do it and where they go to do it.

 

[Soofi]

sedo recent sales:

Zwan.com $15,350

What you have to say about this one SNOOPIE???it has two of the worst letters ever :lol:

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jjje.com sold for $211.. does that mean my JJJL wont fair well? or would be in the similar range?

the Current Bid: 187 USD over at sedo right now with 3+ days to go..

 

[Nem0]

The information on drops and when they were taken is useful.

Oh I see now, I think you just inadvertantly omitted a comma or two from that sentence. I took it as something totally different. Now I understand that you were talking about posting the domains at your site and including the times that they were taken. My bad.

 

[snoop]

What you have to say about this one SNOOPIE???it has two of the worst letters ever :lol:

Probably an enduser sale, there isn't much to say other than they are a regular occurance but the chance of someone's name selling for that is very very low. Unfortunately we can't take someone else's sale check to the bank.

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Generalities yet again. Who are these 'people'?

You for one. Post below is from July,

but I do now think it is highly likely that the buyout will not hold.

Cool cool, I respect your opinion, and if it happens it happens, no one will refute it. I sure don't think it will happen though, too many old and new buyers alike still dealing in these little names. Too many investors holding. Too many great sales still going on. Too many Chinese coming into this market as well as more English-speaking buyers each and every day.

http://www.namepros.com/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread-662.html#post3502831

Ironically when the buyout did break you were the first person to refute it.

 

[Nem0]

Probably an enduser sale, there isn't much to say other than they are a regular occurance but the chance of someone's name selling for that is very very low. Unfortunately we can't take someone else's sale check to the bank.

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You for one. Post below is from July,





http://www.namepros.com/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread-662.html#post3502831

Ironically when the buyout did break you were the first person to refute it.

But the buyout hasn't broken. It is still quite intact. If you can hand-register any LLLL.com domains right now please pray tell.

 

[snoop]

But the buyout hasn't broken. It is still quite intact.

It is fairly obvious that it broke, there were names available for days.

At least most people did admit that...but not you, the guy who was sure it would never break but would the be the first to admit it if it did. If there is a poster boy of LLLL.com denial, it is you.

It is only a matter of time before we see it again, at the moment it is a state of limbo with names taking minutes/hours to go on small drops.

 

[Nem0]

It is fairly obvious that it broke, there were names available for days.

At least most people did admit that...but not you, the guy who was sure it would never break but would the be the first to admit it if it did. If there is a poster boy of LLLL.com denial, it is you.

It is only a matter of time before we see it again, at the moment it is a state of limbo with names taking minutes/hours to go on small drops.

Sorry but the buyout is still quite intact. I only injected rationality into the argument that the buyout had failed. You were running around yelling how it failed but you would not take into account the massive amount of names that had just dropped. You never take things into account like that, you just spew your nonsense.

Like I said, if and when it happens then it happens, and I will not refute it. But names going un-regged for a couple of days right after a massive drop is not it.