The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Kate]

Okay but the ongoing drop is about the low end LLLL. Seems like they have not been making a good return for the owners. That's the problem, domainers stuck with too many 'crap' LLLL. As usual, quality over quantity :tu:

 

[tzsxc]

comparing the drop in LLLL with the 50% rise in stocks is a fallacy. No one was bailing out the domainers who bought these names. This is real free market in action. With each drop/register cycle, the names should end up in increasingly stronger hands.

 

[Lakshan]

prcb.com - $139
eBip.com - $560 - Lost with a 511$ of my max bid

Today @ NJ

 

[SlimPickins]

a "failure" of the buyout is of no importance to me. Sure, I bought in to llll's when the buyout was talk of the town and, yes, I found that exciting and, yes again, I bought domains at (reseller-wise) higher prices than what I would be able to get for the on the boards now. So what? I am GLAD that the "hey that's a bargain! buy it before another domainer does or the prices go up more!"/make a quick flip mentality isn't such a dominant factor in my llll purchases anymore.

And I have never used "they are ALL gone" in a sales pitch for a particular llll and, conversely, would be highly surprised if an enduser would find leverage in "well, sure, our company uses these 4 letters that you are offering to sell, but isn't qyzp available as a cheaper alternative?"...

I neither perceive my domains as worth more simply due to the niche being bought out (would rather have multiple extensions regd!) nor feel they are worth less only because domains that some other domainer feels are not worthwhile to hold onto are again available.

if anyone is in panic mode and wants to sell, pm me your llll's with panic prices. sp

 

[Cronus]

Overall though this is sad and historic day and now the second time the LLLL.com buyout has failed (the first having failed after the last boom (~2001).

At the start of the year I would have thought this result to be unlikely and the speed of decay in this market has surprised even me. Ultimately though it comes down to cash and LLLL.com owners voted with their credit cards on these names. Most have no confidence in this market and the people whose confidence has held up no longer have any cash. The end result is the buyout failing.

Sad day? You can barely conceal your glee, but it it will be short lived. The current LLLL stats are that 456,923 (99.99%) are registered and 53 (0.01%) are available. The available number has decreased from 300 yesterday and will probably be back to zero tomorrow. The buyout may be fragile, but this is a minor anomaly and certainly not a failure. Wake me when even one tenth of one percent of the names are available and we start seeing availability increases day over day rather than just one big drop which is being steadily registered. Most domainers don't follow this thread and have no idea that they have this short chance to register some LLLL.com of their very own.

My feeling is these names will be quickly registered and we won't see a failure any time soon. The buyout held during one of the worst economic crises in decades, and the LLLL.com market has moved up dramatically lately, so I don't expect these final 53 names to last much longer.

I think over the next few months we’ll see tonnes of drops in this area as people continue rid themselves of the burden of reg fees on names with no real revenue potential.

No real revenue potential? I normally don't report my sales, but I'll make an exception: last month I sold spzs and lchf (both .com) for more than $2,500 total. Both were to end users who contacted me, and you can already visit the sites. Spzs went to a Chinese company, as is becomming more and more common for "bad" lettered LLLL. In fact, LLLL.com have been one of my most profitable domaining niches. So Snoop can declare that my names are failures with no revenue potential all he wants. But the thousands of dollars that roll in each month speak a lot louder than his idle speculation and cynicism.

 

[tetrapak]

prcb.com - $139
eBip.com - $560 - Lost with a 511$ of my max bid

Today @ NJ

Sorry BM, I took that one, quite happy with it!

 

[WORDSWORTH]

A heavy downpour of around 100 drops will hit domainland tomorrow at about 11am BST. Prospects for the following few days will be better with sunny intervals and temperatures of 5-25 deletes celsius which will help with the mopping up operation.

Edit: still 52 available domains from yesterday's drop when checked at 22:40 BST.

 

[Soofi]

eBip.com - $560 - Lost with a 511$ of my max bid

Today @ NJ

I dont why it went for mid $xxx, but I have BIPJ.com if you want to acquire that as well :P

 

[Kate]

The current LLLL stats are that 456,923 (99.99%) are registered and 53 (0.01%) are available. The available number has decreased from 300 yesterday and will probably be back to zero tomorrow. The buyout may be fragile, but this is a minor anomaly and certainly not a failure...

Does it matter really ? The fact is that the buyout only holds thanks to domainers. It's purely artifical and symbolic. TBH I don't understand why domainers look at it like an achievement. The buyout will not automatically translate to better sales.
Look at other buyout TLDs like LLL.us .biz .mobi - how much are they worth today ?

The law of supply and demand does not apply in full here - often an end user needs a particular domain name and there are not many acceptable alternatives. So attempts to 'surround' the market will prove futile.
I have sold LLL in foreign extensions like .ch .be etc yet there is no buyout in these extensions. You get the point :talk:

The way I see it, most of the LLLL are going to be recycled in domainer to domainer sales once again, some people will be left holding the bag and ultimately drop the domains for lack of ROI. Then the next generation of newbie domainers will pick up where the previous generation left.

 

[TheOilMan]

Does it matter really ? The fact is that the buyout only holds thanks to domainers. It's purely artifical and symbolic. TBH I don't understand why domainers look at it like an achievement. The buyout will not automatically translate to better sales.
Look at other buyout TLDs like LLL.us .biz .mobi - how much are they worth today ?

The law of supply and demand does not apply in full here - often an end user needs a particular domain name and there are not many acceptable alternatives. So attempts to 'surround' the market will prove futile.
I have sold LLL in foreign extensions like .ch .be etc yet there is no buyout in these extensions. You get the point :talk:

The way I see it, most of the LLLL are going to be recycled in domainer to domainer sales once again, some people will be left holding the bag and ultimately drop the domains for lack of ROI. Then the next generation of newbie domainers will pick up where the previous generation left.

Great post

 

[snoop]

So they run out in 48 hours or 72. Do we have a new buyout? And when 500 or a thousand drop next month and take a week to dry up, yet another buyout? Too confusing in my opinion. Makes the term meaningless.

I don't think it matters much, this is just the beginning of larger drops numbers. Even if they all got taken in 24 hours the same thing will happen again a week later. Right now is the time LLLL.com is likely to get the most surpport, when the buyout has just broken. Give it a few weeks and nobody will have any interest in trying to soak up names.

Toward the beginning of this year about 5000 LLL.mobi dropped. Nearly a third of the entire total. Despite that Mobi is a much smaller market than LLLL.coms, the whole lot dried up in about two months. Considering the quantity involved and the length of time it took, I am hesitant to use the term "break" even there. Break to me means investor panic, a wholesale loss of perceived value. Not a short-term blip, rather a fundamental change in the market.

The thing is it was only one large drop, and it took 5000 to break .mobi. It has taken 300 names to break LLLL.com, and we are going to see drops like this for months in my view. Personally I did not think 300 names would be too much for the LLLL.com market to handle, I thought it would likely break with a drop of 1000 or more.

 

[Soofi]

Give it a few weeks and nobody will have any interest in trying to soak up names.

Haven't you been saying "give it few days/weeks" from a long long time Snoopy?? Oh well live to learn and grow up, why be negative all the time kid??

I'm fed up of your BS theory.. just can't figure out how and from where to place you on my ignore list~!! :td:

 

[snoop]

Haven't you been saying "give it few days/weeks" from a long long time Snoopy?? Oh well live to learn and grow up, why be negative all the time kid??

You can go back and look at my posts to see what I have actually been saying.

http://www.namepros.com/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread-673.html#post3529595

 

[MicroGuy]

Great points Kate! Rep++

The way I see it, most of the LLLL are going to be recycled in domainer to domainer sales once again, some people will be left holding the bag and ultimately drop the domains for lack of ROI. Then the next generation of newbie domainers will pick up where the previous generation left.

I see this as a best case scenario based on the current trend. IMO.

 

[Soofi]

You can go back and look at my posts to see what I have actually been saying.

http://www.namepros.com/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread-673.html#post3529595

I DONT NEED TO GO BACK, really!! I have been reading all your irrelevant LLLL,com bashing posts left right and center, and how you have been saying from ever since recession broke out that LLLL,com buyout will fail.. okie well who cares for what's going to fail as long as we're getting end user high $xxxx+ sales still!!

Can you quit negating made up facts!! thread discussion is normally going on about sales of relevant short domain names and let us do that instead of listening to your BS!! :yell:

 

[MicroGuy]

It's not a buyout IMO if dropped names are freely available to hand register for 24 hours or more.

That makes perfect sense over here on the East Coast. I think we have a downpour on the horizon. IMO.

 

[snoop]

Here is a chart of the buyout,

dyyo.com - The four(4) letter domain name specialist

You can see from that that over the next two months there will be about 15,000 of the very lowest quality LLLL.com coming up for renewal. That averages about 250 per day, plus any pre 2007 names. People can guess for themslves what % will get dropped. Though in my view 300 drop days are going to become common. There will likely be smaller days in between but if the market on its first big drop can't soak up 300 names then there is little hope for the thousands of drops coming.

 

[Soofi]

Originally Posted by sdsinc:
The way I see it, most of the LLLL are going to be recycled in domainer to domainer sales once again, some people will be left holding the bag and ultimately drop the domains for lack of ROI. Then the next generation of newbie domainers will pick up where the previous generation left.

Okie agreed, and its very much true, however "domainers' are the ones who have been making end user sales and most of them decent letter names have been faring quite well in the aftermarket + end user sales... And as long as we're making money, why cry about this has failed or that has failed???

Great points Kate! Rep++


I see this as a best case scenario based on the current trend. IMO.

 

[snoop]

I DONT NEED TO GO BACK, really!! I have been reading all your irrelevant LLLL,com bashing posts left right and center, and how you have been saying from ever since recession broke out that LLLL,com buyout will fail.. okie well who cares for what's going to fail as long as we're getting end user high $xxxx+ sales still!!

You should go back, rather than making things up. I would suggest actually quoting me in future if you are going to claim I said something.

 

[Soofi]

You should go back, rather than making things up. I would suggest actually quoting me in future if you are going to claim I said something.

lol there you go again, start wit your ramble & argue about it with me now!! dude that's the best you can do wit no job, work & alot of idle time in your plate!! save it for yourself, cuz you will need alot more of this energy in trying to prove your point that you've been on about from last, almost a year and more.. and you still couldn't impress anyone out here wit your random rambling, and I know you still wont stop.

If I wasn't regular here or wouldn't have subscribed to this thread ever since I joined NP, I would've definitely gone back to quote you on about your random comments, but why would I frickin' wanna waste my time looking for your BS posts which have been almost the same all this while wit lil' or less no change, and that too just to prove that you talk crap most of the time and are still at it!!