The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[filter]

Overall though there isn’t a heck of a lot more to say about these names, I suspect if this areas booms again it will be years (last time they took 6 years to come back), be very careful with what you are paying reg fees on.

have to say I appreciate Snoop's perspective ... and I like LLLL.com of the anti-premium persuasion, but just starting to sniff around for diamonds in the rough again. Haven't been paying attention to the market lately, just stopped by to catch up on what's new after getting a $xxx offer on a "random" LLLL.net I've been keeping in my vault. Interesting timing .... and interesting times!

 

[vlad74]

15 more domains from yesterday's drop are now taken. There are now 88 domains available. Please click the top link in my signature to view the updated list.

Well, now it is confirmed that 88 are left

At this speed they will be probably all gone by tomorrow. If this will be a case, shall we consider this as the third buyout (after 2001 and 2007)?

 

[snoop]

facts:
possibly less then a 0.01% of LLLL are currently unregistered; this number has no relevance on the total.

The buyout isn't going to fail with 20,000 dropping in a day because the original buyout was fairly well distributed. I'm afraid 103 names being avilable for over a day does have relevance. Personally I think we'll see that number grow from week to week. If someone decides they will stump up $1000 to buyout all of the days drops they'll need to do the same thing a couple of days later, then a couple more days later.....you get the picture. It has been going on for a while with smaller drop numbers. The numbers are now getting signifcantly larger with more deliberate drops from people who are sick of throwing money away.

The "booming" market of 2007 is more likely to re-explode given that the economic recovery is alrady started, after two years of strong depression; also under crisis conditions the buyout held regardless of the situation.

This are facts that have to be taken in consideration.

In my view this is exaggerated on many points. The US economy is/was in recession, to say there has been a "strong depression" is nonsense. Secondly the buyout has not held. Thirdly thinking things are likely to "re-explode" on the day the buyout has failed is just wishful thinking.

The economy is getting better, and stock market have imporved 50% since the botom. All the while the LLLL.com market has continued to collapse. I posted on this at the start of the year, that when things improve it is the quality that comes back. The unsustainable stuff that makes no economic sense gets left behind. That is why low quality LLLL.com has continued to freefall whilst generally things have improved. As I said a while ago these are the "sub prime" of the domain industry. They are not investment grade.

 

[sidekick_33]

Just a quick question, what exactly would it take for people to agree that the buyout has failed?

My definition was that there is a certain amount of LLLL.com's available to be regged for a certain amount of time (In my case, I tend to lean towards the 24 hr time frame). So in my opinion, the buyout has failed. This does not bode well for many people, because I know that not everyone here owns quality domains or cvcv or pronouncable domains. It would be amazing if we all did though! Some of us bought into the hype, myself included.

My question is what would it take for you to consider that the buyout failed? By as precise as you can, rather than saying something like some domains being available for a few days (vague time frame...). I am interested to see your responses, especially in regards to the time frame you want to see domains unregistered for!

 

[Nem0]

I think it's only rational that, when there is an unusually large number of drops on a given day (much larger than on previous days) then things should be given a little more time. I think if all these LLLL names are bought in the next 12 hours it would be silly for everyone to say "the buyout failed!" when it was only for a day or so.

Hey Wordsworth, did you happen to dig up how many LLLL will drop each day this week? Are there anymore unusually large drop days coming? Would be nice to know.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Just a quick question, what exactly would it take for people to agree that the buyout has failed?

My definition was that there is a certain amount of LLLL.com's available to be regged for a certain amount of time (In my case, I tend to lean towards the 24 hr time frame). So in my opinion, the buyout has failed. This does not bode well for many people, because I know that not everyone here owns quality domains or cvcv or pronouncable domains. It would be amazing if we all did though! Some of us bought into the hype, myself included.

My question is what would it take for you to consider that the buyout failed? By as precise as you can, rather than saying something like some domains being available for a few days (vague time frame...). I am interested to see your responses, especially in regards to the time frame you want to see domains unregistered for!

It's not a buyout IMO if dropped names are freely available to hand register for 24 hours or more.

Two more domains now taken from yesterday's drop. 86 remain. Please click the top link in my signature to view the updated list.

 

[vlad74]

looks like only 82 left as of now

Regarding definiton of the failure of the buyout I would agree that if in 24 hours domains are available, it is the failure.

What can be however added, "on a business day", i.e. exlude friday evening, saturday and sunday, when people are usually go out, or simply not online.

Thus, if we consider " plain 24 hours", this buyout has failed, if "24 hous on any business day", the buyout might fail it the remaining 82 domains are not taken by Monday morning.

 

[Nem0]

It's not a buyout IMO if dropped names are freely available to hand register for 24 hours or more.

Two more domains now taken from yesterday's drop. 86 remain. Please click the top link in my signature to view the updated list.

And where does the 24hr draw-the-line come from? Just a nice round number? To me it doesn't even need to be defined as a "buyout fail or hold", kinda silly unless it goes on for weeks really. We had an unusual day of drops yesterday, nothing wrong with being rational and giving it a fair amount of time.

edit: I count 80 remaining.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

And where does the 24hr draw-the-line come from? Just a nice round number? To me it doesn't even need to be defined as a "buyout fail or hold", kinda silly unless it goes on for weeks really. We had an unusual day of drops yesterday, nothing wrong with being rational and giving it a fair amount of time.

I count 82 remaining.

24 hours is the time between drops. If drops remain from previous day and more names drop, how can that be a buyout?

 

[Nem0]

Well, all the drops from the following day got bought up right away

Sorry I just don't think it's rational to call it in a day. I may be in the minority on that, and that's fine, but with that Massive drop it just doesn't make sense to me.

Looks like a few more taken..

 

[Lakshan]

Dont know this posted earlier in the forum.

Call.com - 1,100,000 USD (Sedo Newsletter)

 

[WORDSWORTH]

78 domains from yesterday's drop were remaining at 15:30 BST. Please click the top link in my signature to view the updated list.

 

[Semtex]

Whether it's 24 hours or 124 hours...........who cares? Does this mean that if the buyout fails for weeks, your domains are all junk.....um no !!

There are plenty of domainers that won't be buying any of these names, but there are also plenty of newer buyers that might find 5-10 names that they want to add to their collection. Earlier this year, I sold plenty of names with Q's and Z's in them for $XX. You just have to convince to buyer they need the name.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Only 57 names remaining at 17:00 BST.

 

[Kate]

If they were so good, then somebody should step up and reg them all. The question is, will you make a good return. I would not be surprised if all those domains are drops from the buyout 1-2 years ago.

 

[accent]

So they run out in 48 hours or 72. Do we have a new buyout? And when 500 or a thousand drop next month and take a week to dry up, yet another buyout? Too confusing in my opinion. Makes the term meaningless.

Toward the beginning of this year about 5000 LLL.mobi dropped. Nearly a third of the entire total. Despite that Mobi is a much smaller market than LLLL.coms, the whole lot dried up in about two months. Considering the quantity involved and the length of time it took, I am hesitant to use the term "break" even there. Break to me means investor panic, a wholesale loss of perceived value. Not a short-term blip, rather a fundamental change in the market.

 

[pheven]

I'm not yet ready to say the buyout has failed, but it has significantly weakened if 300 can't be snatched up within 12-24 hours.

While I bought 9 from yesterday's drop list, and still own hundreds of LLLL.com which I am holding for better days after a financial recovery, I am NOT willing to blindly buy just any junk that becomes available. Obviously others are being more selective now as well, so domain quality is a significant factor.

I personally think it likely that the buyout will eventually break for awhile, but that does not deter me from buying good double premiums or especially triple premiums at bargain prices, as I think those will eventually appreciate for a nice profit.

My belief is that the lower-quality LLLL.com domains are at significant risk right now of becoming more of an expense than an investment. I'd rather buy a few triple-premiums that are more investment grade and cost less to renew than a larger quantity of junk that will sell for less and take longer to sell at a profit.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Having considered the facts and the opinions of others, I'll go with temporary failure for now. That way, no new buyout if the drops are picked up fairly quickly (which would be confusing) and gives more time to consider whether this is just a temporary blip or the start of something more serious.

54 domains still available at 19:00 BST.

 

[Kate]

still own hundreds of LLLL.com which I am holding for better days after a financial recovery, I am NOT willing to blindly buy just any junk that becomes available.

Assuming you have 500 at say $8 a pop = $4000 in renewal fees. Do they make that amount in one year ?

 

[tetrapak]

Rather than petty bickering it is probably better to focus on the real issue at hand, the end of the buyout.

You know what is the real issue for LLLL.com investors? That most of the LLLL.com's are increasing in price, if you take away the low end, the LLLL market is progressing nicely. You were saying the all premiums will hit $50, the reality is, that they are constantly rising in price at all auctions (NJ/SN/SEDO,TDNAM).