The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Kate]

I have no worries about the 'premiums' but we're talking about the low end here - the ones that drop and don't even get one backorder.
I think the good combos will continue to appreciate faster than the 'crappy' ones. That's true for LLL too.

 

[snoop]

Snoop, do you still expect quads to hit $50, and if yes, within what time frame?

As I've said before I think these names will perhaps halve in value over the next 12 months. I think it will be a gradual drop rather than a fast one. From what I can see of it alot of people in the market perceive (or perhaps would like other people to perceive) that these names are somewhat unrelated to low quality names which will slow things down in my view.

The idea that the quality names won't fall is a bit like the way people thought the LLLL.com and LLL.com was somehow immune from falls in the rest of the market because they rose whilst almost every other category fell at the start of 2008 (hint: that is a bubble) or how people just a few weeks ago were sure the buyout wouldn't fall overr. Trust me though if quads do get to $50 cheerleaders will still say I'm ad idiot who is not worth listening to .

 

[sidekick_33]

Just a question for you to consider:

If there are some non-premium domains that can sit unregistered for 4 days, does this eventually mean that we may see single-premiums that sit unregistered? If this happens, is there a chance that double-premiums will sit unregistered as well? Then what about triple-premiums? And eventually quads? Or are they completely immune in your opinion?

To me, it looks like a snowball effect. And because of this, I fail to see how the low-end performance will not have an effect of the higher end. I guess it depends on what your definition is of the higher end. Is it just quads, pronouncables and cvcv's? Or do triple premiums count to? Perhaps having a broad definition like triple premium or quad premium is not a clear way to characterize a higher end domain.

 

[tetrapak]

If you don't see the difference between a premium llll.com that has plenty of acronyms, is registered in many extensions (and used in many cases), has 10th of thousands of hits in Google, in many cases type-in traffic as well (bonus) and a low end that doesn't have any acronyms, has few hundreds max thousands of hits in Google then forget about it. It is the same as if you didn't know what is the difference between a domain like Flop.com (poker related term) and Poker.com.
Mind you, CVCV's were one of the best survivors of the recession.

 

[sidekick_33]

If you don't see the difference between a premium llll.com that has plenty of acronyms, is registered in many extensions (and used in many cases), has 10th of thousands of hits in Google, in many cases type-in traffic as well (bonus) and a low end that doesn't have any acronyms, has few hundreds max thousands of hits in Google then forget about it. It is the same as if you didn't know what is the difference between a domain like Flop.com (poker related term) and Poker.com.
Mind you, CVCV's were one of the best survivors of the recession.

I do see the difference between a premium LLLL.com and a very low quality LLLL.com, such as QZYK.com. That was not what I am trying to address.

We have seen several non-premium (ie. No premium letters) domains sit unregistered for 4 days. What's going to stop a single-premium domain from staying unregistered in the future? And then a double-premium, and prehaps triple-premiums?

I see a snowball effect that could happen and I do not know how this cannot affect the higher domains.

 

[mwzd]

Actually sidekick_33, you're correct, I had mentioned this around the time the prices started dropping. It was also ignored then till the quad prices did start dropping. If lower end domain prices drop within a category, it also affects high quality domains w/in that same category. Whether it is lll.com or llll.com.

Letter quality is a domainer creation, to an end user, it doesn't matter, what matters is the fit. So a quad premium could be a crappy domain while a single premium could be a good domain for an end user and vice versa.

So buy each domain on individual quality, not due to letter quality. If you're sure individually of the domains you buy, fluctuating prices don't really matter all that much.

 

[sidekick_33]

Actually sidekick_33, you're correct, I had mentioned this around the time the prices started dropping. It was also ignored then till the quad prices did start dropping. If lower end domain prices drop within a category, it also affects high quality domains w/in that same category. Whether it is lll.com or llll.com.

Letter quality is a domainer creation, to an end user, it doesn't matter, what matters is the fit. So a quad premium could be a crappy domain while a single premium could be a good domain for an end user and vice versa.

So buy each domain on individual quality, not due to letter quality. If you're sure individually of the domains you buy, fluctuating prices don't really matter all that much.

Exactly! Perhaps having such a rigid definition of a quad premium domain as being a 'premium' domain is not a valid reason to speculate that their price will never be affected by the non-premium domain sector. I am not arguing that quads are not premium, just that having such a definition makes one think that they are immune to the performance of other sectors in the market.

 

[tetrapak]

Sure, a domain like oblh which was sold for $112 few days ago (record low since a month) is not comparable to something like mccl that I own. Oblh though is still lightyears better than the low end if you examine it.

 

[Cronus]

More than half of the available LLLL.coms as of this morning were registered and there are now just four available:

jqvx.com
qxvg.com
uqwv.com
vdqw.com

 

[Cronus]

And it looks like those four were all taken and the buyout has been restored! So much for Snoop's theory that "the buyout is over, probably will be thousands free given a month or so". I guess we won't be hearing from him for a while.

 

[mibworld]

It's nice to see that the buyout is holding, but I think this market will face difficult times in the next months, especially if there are too many drops. On the other hand, the economic recovery and the recent increase in prices for high quality names are favorable factors.

I agree that it's too soon to declare a buyout failure. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next weeks.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

And it looks like those four were all taken and the buyout has been restored!

A deep scan from a much larger data sample just completed. No available domains were found

 

[snoop]

Just a question for you to consider:

If there are some non-premium domains that can sit unregistered for 4 days, does this eventually mean that we may see single-premiums that sit unregistered? If this happens, is there a chance that double-premiums will sit unregistered as well? Then what about triple-premiums? And eventually quads? Or are they completely immune in your opinion?

Let's not take it too far, next it will be one word domains from 1994 that will be available. In my view the chance of quads being freely available to register is very remote.

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:48 PM ----------

And it looks like those four were all taken and the buyout has been restored! So much for Snoop's theory that "the buyout is over, probably will be thousands free given a month or so". I guess we won't be hearing from him for a while.

Yes everything is just dandy now, no need for concern.

Let's revisit this post in a month.

---------- Post added at 02:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:52 PM ----------

So buy each domain on individual quality, not due to letter quality. If you're sure individually of the domains you buy, fluctuating prices don't really matter all that much.

How would fluctuating prices not matter much in that situation?

 

[-REECE-]

If someone were buying LLLL.coms that had value not because they had 4 letters (eg. produced revenue, received traffic), they shouldn't be hurt much by a downturn in the LLLL.com market.

How would fluctuating prices not matter much in that situation?

 

[snoop]

If someone were buying LLLL.coms that had value not because they had 4 letters (eg. produced revenue, received traffic), they shouldn't be hurt much by a downturn in the LLLL.com market.

Yes, names bought for revenue is different category of name though. Like you say,

"buying LLLL.coms that had value not because they had 4 letters".

It is basically saying the name isn't valued based on it being a LLLL.com, and therefore it won't fall with the rest of the LLLL.com, the flip side is it probably won't rise with it either, because it is valued by some others method, ie revenue.

 

[dman_2007]

It is basically saying the name isn't valued based on it being a LLLL.com, and therefore it won't fall with the rest of the LLLL.com, the flip side is it probably won't rise with it either, because it is valued by some others method, ie revenue.

If the name is a LLLL.com, why wouldn't its price will rise with the rest of the LLLL.com, irrespective of the reason you used to base the purchase of the name? In fact, if a LLLL.com has some value based on some criteria other than that it is a LLLL.com, and LLLL.com prices rise, i would say it would command higher price than other domains in the same LLLL.com category.

 

[snoop]

If the name is a LLLL.com, why wouldn't its price will rise with the rest of the LLLL.com, irrespective of the reason you used to base the purchase of the name? In fact, if a LLLL.com has some value based on some criteria other than that it is a LLLL.com, and LLLL.com prices rise, i would say it would command higher price than other domains in the same LLLL.com category.

Well you can't have it both ways, if the argument is that people should buy names the value of which isn't going to down because it is valued in some other way than it being a LLLL.com then it isn't like to go up just because LLLL.com's are going up either. It is in a different market.

There is lots of names in that category, like the one word names and other traffic names that people like to talk about in relation to them being LLLL.com's, even though the value has nothing to do with that. If you buy laon.com or look.com its value isn't going to vary because quad premium LLLL.com's have gone up or down.

 

[mwzd]

snoop, Reece's answer was absolutely correct. When we buy a domain, irrespective of the number of letters, there are certain parameters we employ to 'value' the domain for ourselves.

These factors include potential end users, brandability, revenue, traffic etc.

And then we ensure we buy at a price where even a rock bottom end user sale would be more than what we paid for it. What the current reseller price is for the 'type' of domain is basically irrelevant for us in that case.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Two new LLLL.com domains available at time of this post. Please click the top link in my signature to see them. Edit: both taken by 11:59 BST.

A deep scan completed at 11:24 BST. No additional available domains were identified.

 

[sdExperts]

Is LLLL.com still available to register ?