The LLLL.com Naysayers Thread

[italiandragon]

I can`t really keep track of all the arguments you guys are posting so since I`m trying to answer to all of your doubts/arguments/criticism and I`m putting all of the most valide arguments in one Blog post here:

http://www.italiandragon.com/?p=59

I invite all LLLL.com naysaysers/un-believers/undecided or whatever you like to call yourself

to post here your arguments on WHY the LLLL.com

1) won`t grow in value till reaching AT LEAST 1/26 of their similar LLL.com

2) won`t grow at stronger % compared to LLL.com

3) won`t stay ALL REGGED

4) won`t get more and more worldwide visitors and/or buyers

5) etc.


Please: this is a serious thread, I`m serious at doing business and this is big business. Do not post just to post.

Thank you

 

[filter]

hi Lorenzo - I promise to post some thoughtful, balanced analysis later, but right now just want to give your thread a bump, and toss out a little red meat for the doubters ->

(posted this bit of inspirational verse about 3 and a half months ago in a previous "LLLL.com slowdown" thread back then ... LOL! http://www.namepros.com/395049-llll-com-hype-is-down-now-3.html ...)

(With apologies to William Butler Yeats)

"The Second Buyout"

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The domainer cannot find the end user;
Things fall apart; the aftermarket cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the registrar,
The un-pronounceable URL is parked, and everywhere
The click-through rate of traffic is drowned;
The best lack all back links, while the worst
Are payed for with high-interest rate credit cards.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Buyout is at hand.
The Second Buyout! Hardly are those URLs regged
When a vast image out of "Fabulous Moniker"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the GoDaddy
A URL with no vowels and the tail of an alphabet,
A domain blank and unpronounceable as line noise,
Is building its link farms, while all about it
Echo hoots of the indignant domainer pros.
The RERS Group buys again; but now I know
That seven years of stony sleep
Were updated to nightmare by an unrelenting DYYO,
Now what rough beast, its reg fee come round at last,
Slouches towards VeriSign to be dropped?

 

[-REECE-]

nice :hehe:

It's certainly something to consider... The last .mobi auction saw porn.mobi sell for about 5-10 times lower than people expected. A few months ago people wanted 6 figures for even the worst LL.coms... Now we see some of them happily taking sums considerably under 100k. Premium LLL.coms selling for as little as 15k?

I've watched Apple stock crash lately and am now being entertained by watching Google stock crash day after day after day... After taking a dump in January, Intel seems to be doing alright now...

These are all big companies with market caps 1000 times what LLLL.com domainers have collectively. If they can crash, so can LLLL.coms... Let's not ever get so ahead of ourselves that we forget that prices are driven by supply and demand...

Something starts to crash, panic ensues, demand crashes, we in turn panic, we all start to sell... People see prices crashing more and more... Who wants in? Brave enough to invest in Google right now? I bet most of us would have felt like we were in heaven getting it at 450 back in November... It doesn't seem like such a bargain anymore.

It doesn't really matter what something "should" be worth, only what people value it at. If people see LLLL.coms as a crashing commodity, they may not want in at any price...

Should an LLLL.com be worth 1/26th of an LLL.com? What do we value an LLLL.com at?

Would you be willing to pay $275 (1/26th) for an LLLL.com? If not, what makes you think others will? With prices outright crashing on most of the domain name market at the moment and with most tech stocks largely doing not much better, where exactly is this money going to come from?

LLLL.coms haven't seen their first "bubble" yet, but it will happen. Investors need to retain a long term focus and remember that pretty much everything goes up in the long run. The time for "get-rich quick" profits has passed.

hi Lorenzo - I promise to post some thoughtful, balanced analysis later, but right now just want to give your thread a bump, and toss out a little red meat for the doubters ->

(posted this bit of inspirational verse about 3 and a half months ago in a previous "LLLL.com slowdown" thread back then ... LOL! http://www.namepros.com/395049-llll-com-hype-is-down-now-3.html ...)

(With apologies to William Butler Yeats)

"The Second Buyout"

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The domainer cannot find the end user;
Things fall apart; the aftermarket cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the registrar,
The un-pronounceable URL is parked, and everywhere
The click-through rate of traffic is drowned;
The best lack all back links, while the worst
Are payed for with high-interest rate credit cards.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Buyout is at hand.
The Second Buyout! Hardly are those URLs regged
When a vast image out of "Fabulous Moniker"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the GoDaddy
A URL with no vowels and the tail of an alphabet,
A domain blank and unpronounceable as line noise,
Is building its link farms, while all about it
Echo hoots of the indignant domainer pros.
The RERS Group buys again; but now I know
That seven years of stony sleep
Were updated to nightmare by an unrelenting DYYO,
Now what rough beast, its reg fee come round at last,
Slouches towards VeriSign to be dropped?

 

[bfluid]

hi Lorenzo - I promise to post some thoughtful, balanced analysis later, but right now just want to give your thread a bump, and toss out a little red meat for the doubters ->

(posted this bit of inspirational verse about 3 and a half months ago in a previous "LLLL.com slowdown" thread back then ... LOL! http://www.namepros.com/395049-llll-com-hype-is-down-now-3.html ...)

(With apologies to William Butler Yeats)

"The Second Buyout"

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The domainer cannot find the end user;
Things fall apart; the aftermarket cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the registrar,
The un-pronounceable URL is parked, and everywhere
The click-through rate of traffic is drowned;
The best lack all back links, while the worst
Are payed for with high-interest rate credit cards.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Buyout is at hand.
The Second Buyout! Hardly are those URLs regged
When a vast image out of "Fabulous Moniker"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the GoDaddy
A URL with no vowels and the tail of an alphabet,
A domain blank and unpronounceable as line noise,
Is building its link farms, while all about it
Echo hoots of the indignant domainer pros.
The RERS Group buys again; but now I know
That seven years of stony sleep
Were updated to nightmare by an unrelenting DYYO,
Now what rough beast, its reg fee come round at last,
Slouches towards VeriSign to be dropped?

Rep+ for making me laugh hard. :D

That was well written my friend!!!

 

[~ The 34 Year Buzz!!]

I'm a believer who would like to see the fun start again
`````

4) won`t get more and more worldwide visitors and/or buyers

No problem...
Bull-markets and 'price-bubbles' do not end this quickly the LLLL.com party is not over.

3) won`t stay ALL REGGED

They will stay regged

2) won`t grow at stronger % compared to LLL.com

LLL.com are already high, so it seems like the LLLL.com's will be stronger

1) won`t grow in value till reaching AT LEAST 1/26 of their similar LLL.com

The most disturbing argument I've seen against the 1/26th target went something like this:

"Over 400,000 LLLL.com's compared to ~17,500 LLL, + consider the need to pay reg fees, and you see why the 1/26th rule isn't valid"


/I have one possible reply, but I'll leave it for italiandragon and others to tear up first.

 

[italiandragon]

I`m actually disappointed. :td:

No more valid arguments? Have I already answered to all of them? Are LLLL.com on the way to their success without any more obstacles?

 

[Keral_Patel]

I`m actually disappointed. :td:

No more valid arguments? Have I already answered to all of them? Are LLLL.com on the way to their success without any more obstacles?

Your sig says it all. :bingo:

 

[.X.]

There is nothing to really debate any more, You admitted junk letter LLLL.com's are worthless, There fore the majority of LLLL.com's are worthless. LOL

 

[italiandragon]

There is nothing to really debate any more, You admitted junk letter LLLL.com's are worthless, There fore the majority of LLLL.com's are worthless. LOL

You should read my reply before to be LOLLING again:


http://www.namepros.com/439801-why-a-dip-llll-com-sales-7.html


THis is a serious thread as I stated, I`m not here to be LOLLED or LOLLING at anyone.

Can you be serious for once?

Thanks

 

[mntor]

There is nothing to really debate any more, You admitted junk letter LLLL.com's are worthless, There fore the majority of LLLL.com's are worthless. LOL

Lorenzo has been saying again and again, that what you say as junk letters in english are premium in other languages like chinese, japanese etc. As simple as that mate.

 

[CHILLY]

There are about 350,000 LLLL.com in endusers hands

Please explain, thanks....

 

[thetruman]

hi Lorenzo - I promise to post some thoughtful, balanced analysis later, but right now just want to give your thread a bump, and toss out a little red meat for the doubters ->

(posted this bit of inspirational verse about 3 and a half months ago in a previous "LLLL.com slowdown" thread back then ... LOL! http://www.namepros.com/395049-llll-com-hype-is-down-now-3.html ...)

(With apologies to William Butler Yeats)

"The Second Buyout"

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The domainer cannot find the end user;
Things fall apart; the aftermarket cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the registrar,
The un-pronounceable URL is parked, and everywhere
The click-through rate of traffic is drowned;
The best lack all back links, while the worst
Are payed for with high-interest rate credit cards.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Buyout is at hand.
The Second Buyout! Hardly are those URLs regged
When a vast image out of "Fabulous Moniker"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the GoDaddy
A URL with no vowels and the tail of an alphabet,
A domain blank and unpronounceable as line noise,
Is building its link farms, while all about it
Echo hoots of the indignant domainer pros.
The RERS Group buys again; but now I know
That seven years of stony sleep
Were updated to nightmare by an unrelenting DYYO,
Now what rough beast, its reg fee come round at last,
Slouches towards VeriSign to be dropped?

you are such a poet...your writing deserves to be quoted over and over...

 

[HBK216]

It is amazing how if you don't agree with the masses, you must be uneducated, a naysayer, etc.... Typical little man syndrome... One shouldn't have to always fight to prove the worth of something. What is the obsession with wanting acceptance?

 

[timphelan]

Interesting post at that thread filter mentioned from 11-18-07:

WOW, I think hype is really down now, I've check many post (for sale fixed price, offer, bidding) and sellers are having lot of difficulties to have a buyer now. Looks like people are less interested for LLLL.com now

Sounds like some posts from the last week or two. I think everything is going as expected and actually don't see any bubble coming. Just slowdowns here and there. That's to be expected.

 

[italiandragon]

There are about 350,000 LLLL.com in endusers hands

Please explain, thanks....

I`ll be explaining this number as soon as I can be on the computer for more than just 30 minutes/day like now.

In short: it`s not a 100 % accurate number but statistically is as you`ll be able to see , once I`ll share the work behind it.

It is amazing how if you don't agree with the masses, you must be uneducated, a naysayer, etc.... Typical little man syndrome... One shouldn't have to always fight to prove the worth of something. What is the obsession with wanting acceptance?

Hello, I`m not "masses" and that`s why some people called me several "names" regarding the LLLL.com

I`m sorry, I though the term "naysayer" was not offensive as my intention in here was and is not to offend anyone.

I am simply an investor trying to make the right decision and to achieve this I`m inviting different people to bring up their different points of view.
I`m not forcing under any circumnstance my point of view.

Thank you

 

[Shenron]

The term Naysayer is not offensive:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naysayer

At least :imho:

 

[everify]

All based on supply and demand...

All based on supply and demand...

A few months ago LLLL.com were going for $10 each. I was actually buying them for $3-$5 each on ebay.

I going to draw an analogy using the Valiant Comics Publisher from 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valiant_Comics

At the time I was working in a comic book store. Valiant was publishing a number of different titles, all of which would sell out, and then immediately go on the collectible board for 10x or even 20x what they sold for a month before. Some of the titles were priced at 30x a few months after selling at cover price. Most all of them were selling off the wall.

The frenzy worked itself up ito critical mass. Plumbers, Mall workers, and Lawyers were all coming in and buying them and immediately sleeving them into protectors.

It went on for I think close to a year, and then the sentiment began to change. I knew something was wrong when our comic buyer said he wanted to sell all his Valiant Comics.

Within another year 90% of them were selling for less than the cover price.

LLLL.com is a bit different, as thereis a global marketplace for them, however, there are some correlations that can be drawn. Obviously LLLL.com domains can be used for something, and comic books can't really. I don't have any info on how likely it is to match up to an end user, or what PPC you can generate form the LLLL.com names. I do believe that a large number of current puchasers that came out of the woodwork to buy them recently are not able effectively sell to end users and also are not able to set up and optimize for PPC.

I am most skepictal of the 350,000 or so less than optimal LLLL.com names out there. Where will these be in a year? It is realy anyone's guess.

BTW, I am a domainer newbie.....hobbyist....not pro by any means.

The whole domain market is beginning to look like a Tulip Bulb, I did participate in the stock market .com run up and crash, and the domain market is beginning to look VERY similar. Stock ownership is ownership in a company, and companies DO have value. The question is how much value is really there if the investment interest wains?

 

[Shenron]

Your post is interesting, but let me ask you a question:

When there are only 50.000 names available (I mean not in the hands of end-users), how much do you think it will be the fair price for these?

 

[everify]

That is they key question afterall, there are so many factors involved with the domain experience. One key part of it is there is literally only one of each. From just a little research I did it looks like the vast majority of end users do not buy in the aftermarket, they settle for whatever is available, throwing in dashes or using their whole business name or an alternate extension.

There are a lot of numbers being thrown around on the LLLL.com end user totals. I just can't see that 80% of them migrated to end users in the last few months.

For now .com will remain the gem of choice for investors and for end users, which is actually driving the prices in all the other markets for all the extensions IMO. Is this sustainable over the long term? Are the prices sustainable? If you showed an instutional investor the chart on 3character.com they would likely say get out now, however, since domains are different form everything else in the universe they could very well also be wrong.

http://www.3character.com/3-letter-domain-name-sales-history.html

Only time will tell....obviously they would have been VERY VERY wrong, since the chart stops at 2006.......and it is 2008 now and the prices have gone up what 5x more?

 

[Shenron]

Beautiful Graphic

We're 40 times higher than in 2001!

If only we were 40 times higher in the 4L's...

**Looks at a million dollars** :D