.tv The backorder problem..

[ThreeD]

I've been trying to figure out this backorder backlash for quite some time but I keep hearing different stories from different people. All I want to know is the name(s) of remaining registrars that have the "power" to snag old backordered premium .TV's?

I know Name.com does, and Enom. What I can't figure out about Enom is if their back-orders go through namejet or do they have a separate backorder API for the old premium .TV's?

Does pool let us backorder old .TV premiums? Domainmonster obviously doesn't. Not sure about namecheap and dynadot, but that's probably also a big NO!

If anyone could reveal their knowledge on this I'd be VERY happy. THANK YOU! :wave:

 

[Erdy]

Are you asking where to find expired dot TV domains that are on exclusive auction and don't need to be catched? If so, these are referred as pre-release auction. They are still under control of the registrar and the registrar pushes the domain to auction at a certain auction site.

As of 26 October 2010 there are:
1024 pre-release .TV auctions on godaddy pre-release
257 pre-release .TV auctions on godaddy closeouts (last chance with buy now)
1533 pre-release .TV auctions on namejet pre-release
215 pre-release .TV auctions on snapnames pre-release
Total 3038 domains. (I wrote this data from this page namecatch.com/user/stats )

A domain that is available on one of them is not available on any other because this is how pre-release works.

Yes, domains that are registered with enom are auctioned exclusively on namejet and they are included in the numbers above. Name.com domains are auctioned on snapnames.

If you are trying to catch old premium .TV domains during pending delete, then forget about it. Anything that is worth the backorder fee will be taken during the first auction (the pre-release auction) and will never make it to pending delete.

You can see and download the full list on my website. Go to namecatch.com and uncheck .com and check .tv. Then click export to CSV at bottom left. There is also dictionary domain sorting. Go to the home page and click the English button. This will show all expiring English dictionary domains from all major auction houses. Now change the tld to dot TV.

Happy domaining.
Erdinc

 

[DU]

The legacy premiums don't go through Namejet (they are all Enom)and most have already been backordered at name.com.

With the new model - up front premium - we'll have to wait and see what happens come March.... as it's not a case of exclusive agreements anymore - the registrar is fixed (can't transfer premiums). Name.com will only be renewable at Name.com etc.

Somehow I doubt Verisign will lose the right to set the premium price back on a drop and won't allow the registry to continue a premium but someone more important than me will have to answer that. I'm not privy to the premium seller contract agreement.

I could be completely wrong.. not sure why I commented. I think Name.com is pretty much it (outside of hand registers / API users but these require the necessary $$$$$ in credit)

I would think any registrar allowed to sell premiums technically could go after them - but no one much appears to.

 

[Erdy]

I though premium pricing for dot TV was cancelled and all TV domains were regular registration fee.

Now I'm confused after defaultuser's message. Does this mean there are some old premium dot TV domains that are registered with Enom and for some reason Enom lets them drop instead auctioning on their own website, namejet during pre-release?

During the last months I saw a lot of dot TV dictionary domains on pre-release auction. I thought these were old premium domains. Right now I can't find any top quality dictionary word dot TV on pre-release auction to show as an example. However I used to see them.

 

[Keith]

I though premium pricing for dot TV was cancelled and all TV domains were regular registration fee.

There is still a premium one time registration fee for the best names. But as has been already stated here, the best names have been backordered at name.com. Unfortunatly they have no auction system in place so it's first come first served.

 

[Erdy]

There is still a premium one time registration fee for the best names.

Are these dropping pending delete domains? If so did they pass the pre-release stage without any bids or did they make it to pending delete without going through pre-release auction? I'm just trying to understand.

 

[dr manos]

Only name.com and their co registrars (Aloha NIC, Sunmountain, circ etc) that use their system actually backorder premium .tv names

Enom can register premium .tv as many others like dynadot but they do not make backorders for customers.

I used to use Enom's API but their prices are very high at .tvs as it is not supporting coupons for the reduced price so no use for .tvs. As for premiums i do not know if you can register via the API, if you have of course the funds needed at balance, but if a premium domain is backordered at name they will take it, as ENOM's API allows 1hit/sec while name.com registrars make several thousands per millisecond.

Hope this helps

PS. Premium .tv are never going to prerelease market

 

[DU]

Are these dropping pending delete domains? If so did they pass the pre-release stage without any bids or did they make it to pending delete without going through pre-release auction? I'm just trying to understand.

Premium RENEWALS were removed in March. No more $500/yr etc.

However, this was replaced with a one time up front fee for many names (ignore the fact that some premiums like p.tv and tech.tv became normal reg fee domains). Basically something like Nature.TV, Solar.TV, Hotel.TV will all drop but have a new initial premium varying from $450 for most lll.TV to the highest I've seen of about $10,000.

Once registered these are renewable at normal rates.

I think what happens - and someone can correct me - is that a .TV will not be sent to prerelease auctions if it is allocated a premium by Verisign.

It will go to a drop - howevever, a new one time fee could be added (or removed..but seems more than likely added). There is a steady stream of "new" premiums

As an example:

If you go to Name.com and look for Bridal.TV - you can put that on backorder at $1350. Right now to renew it would be $20-40 depending on where you are (name.net). I don't know this for a fact and I don't know who owns it - I just randomly picked it - they'd have to confirm. You can do the same for Fetish.TV which is backorder of $350 which was registered during the land rush so I know the renewal on that is a regular.
(In a way it's sad experiment because none of mine are this way - they're all $50 renew )

Premiums CANNOT be transferred from one registrar to another - I'm sure in part to maintain the list. I am not sure how Name uses all of its cohorts given this fact...

There are a handful of registrars that can sell Premium .TVs. Of these only Name.com appears to allow backorders and they are first come first served. I would imagine that no registrar is supposed to renew a domain for the purpose of reselling (but that's what happens at Namejet today) so I don't know why there is no pre-release type activity - could simply be a case of volume and the fact that the $'s don't add up.. might be a restriction signed when signing up to be a premium seller.

Anyway - all this is why DiscoverNow is able to try and recover all his Legacies via the drop / catch - risky but probably financially worth it.

It's why some are annoyed when they have $500 renewal and their premium has been backordered by someone else (either they pay $500 or they drop it ... or they offer $ to the person who backordered it if they can figure out who).

It's why some can say things like I'm likely to be getting more premiums in the future on their homepage.

The whole thing is stupid if you ask me.

I wrote this up because frankly you're EXTREMELY interested in the drop process. You have helped countless others and only in the land of TV is it not quite true.

For some reason domainers are less than forthcoming about this type of thing like it's some kind of state secret.

Mention something about a "verisign pre-lock" you can get and everyone comes calling.

 

[Erdy]

Hi defaultuser,

Thanks for your detailed explanation. The situation seems indeed over complicated.

Is there no other site to backorder pending delete .tv domains other than name.com which works on first come basis?

Has anybody managed to beat name.com with their own script?

The moment you catch the domain (you register it) are you charged the premium price? On a fictinal scenario where I managed to dropcatch a pending delete premium .tv domain with a custom dynadot script, would my account automatically charge $500, or $1350 or whatever it is, the moment I register it?

 

[Jason.tv]

I liked the explanation with the use of nature.tv :tu:

thanks,

Jason

 

[Erdy]

Why does name.com have exclusive rights to expired pending delete old premium dot TV domains? They are just another registrar. Did they make a deal with verisign?

I can't find any page or any list at name.com about those ex premiums. Only if you search for a particular domain, then it shows you the price for that domain. How do you know what domain to search for?

 

[Jason.tv]

there was a relaunch party in 2007 that made them exclusive I think,

here is a link to the party and all the fun interviews :gl:

http://www.allthings.tv/web/index.php/article/allthingstv_exclusive_interviews_from_the_tv_launch_party/

thanks,

Jason

 

[DU]

Hi defaultuser,

Is there no other site to backorder pending delete .tv domains other than name.com which works on first come basis?

Not that I know of. I think that there are some Legacy Premium holders banking on their success too.

Has anybody managed to beat name.com with their own script?

I imagine so; however, I know others would know. The .TV community has a few people with ears and eyes everywhere because it's a big part of what they do. I would think that most of them that do wouldn't be spending their time here telling us about it. I will say that it appears that Name.com is VERY successful at catching .TV

The moment you catch the domain (you register it) are you charged the premium price? On a fictinal scenario where I managed to dropcatch a pending delete premium .tv domain with a custom dynadot script, would my account automatically charge $500, or $1350 or whatever it is, the moment I register it?

You know the amount before you catch it and you have to prepay. I think with Dynadot, Enom and Name's API you have to have "cash in account" but I'm not sure on that.

You pay the amount as the backorder fee. For example Bridal.TV shown is over $1000.

Why does name.com have exclusive rights to expired pending delete old premium dot TV domains? They are just another registrar. Did they make a deal with verisign?

They don't. I would guess that any premium .TV registrar could do this. The number is still limited. Dynadot and Enom are two more. One of the flaws of the system is that if you WERE an end user and you wanted to register Marina.TV... most registrars say "Taken" when in fact it is available (I like this domain by the way - no one register it).

I can't find any page or any list at name.com about those ex premiums. Only if you search for a particular domain, then it shows you the price for that domain. How do you know what domain to search for?

Search for GoldRush .TV and Legacy premiums around March 18th thru April 2010.


You will read how they changed the premium model. It made .TV a much better place to invest - this is still a secret

NOTE Added: Enom.TV has the current list of premiums. I have the original list somewhere but without the renewals I think that ANY name can BECOME premium when it drops. I know Bridal and Fetish because I looked them up - maybe I want to get remarried in a strange ceremony, who knows?

there was a relaunch party in 2007 that made them exclusive I think,

here is a link to the party and all the fun interviews :gl:

http://www.allthings.tv/web/index.php/article/allthingstv_exclusive_interviews_from_the_tv_launch_party/

That was Enom and Demand Media who just confused things, I think.

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I feel like Penn & Teller on Bullshit! But I'm off to watch Southpark! Going to meet some friends of mine...

 

[ThreeD]

thanks for the great replies all After doing some research I pretty much reached the same conclusion. I've been hunting down one of the old legacy premiums but it's already back-ordered at name.com so I started to look around a bit.

Back-ordering legacy premiums at Enom redirects to Namejet and adds the domains to my NJ wishlistm which is kinda hopeless. Domainmonster, Godaddy, Dynadot and Namecheap aren't certified for legacy premium back-orders.

That leaves Name.com as the only place where back-orders for legacy premiums is possible. That doesn't leave a whole lot of room for competition but oh well, maybe they'll get an auction system someday

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I think what happens - and someone can correct me - is that a .TV will not be sent to prerelease auctions if it is allocated a premium by Verisign.

That's correct by the way

 

[dr manos]

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Back-ordering legacy premiums at Enom redirects to Namejet and adds the domains to my NJ wishlistm which is kinda hopeless. Domainmonster, Godaddy, Dynadot and Namecheap aren't certified for legacy premium back-orders.

there is no need to have certification to make backorders. Dynadot and Enom can register premiums, so of course they could grab at drop, but they do not offer such service.


For Erdnic:
No way, only 1hit/sec is never enough, name.com have many co registrars like Aloha and circ that make the job.

 

[ThreeD]

there is no need to have certification to make backorders.

They have to be accredited registrars by ICANN with some kind of a special permit to pick up legacy premiums.

If any .TV accredited registrar was allowed to pick up legacy premium domains, Dynadot, Namecheap, Godaddy, Domainmonster and a lot of other registrars would probably offer the same service.

So as of now, Name.com is probably the only one. That's what I call a true monopoly

 

[dr manos]

Dynadot and Enom sell legacy premiums along with many others in a list. They just do not offer backorder services

 

[DU]

If any .TV accredited registrar was allowed to pick up legacy premium domains, Dynadot, Namecheap, Godaddy, Domainmonster and a lot of other registrars would probably offer the same service.

So as of now, Name.com is probably the only one. That's what I call a true monopoly

ANYONE can pick it up. As soon as it becomes available, it's available. It's not a special "pre-release" party :wave:

It's a pain to do because you have to take payment in ADVANCE and then issue CREDITS. Remember the name is dropped - if they catch it they HAVE to send FULL PAYMENT of the Premium. They won't do this on the promise of payment - so it's in advance. If they fail? They have to refund. Dynadot doesn't even do refunds!

When the amounts of $1000s are involved it's not good to charge and credit... and there's probably not enough money in it to make it worth while. It's not like NJ where the auction price is mostly profit.

Here Name profits probably to the tune of $50 (extra - not sure on .TV margins). Not worth it except you get a GREAT rep in .TV land!

 

[ThreeD]

Dynadot and Enom sell legacy premiums along with many others in a list. They just do not offer backorder services

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. If they have the option to offer their customers legacy .TV back-orders, why don't they play their cards right?

That's like owning a house and leaving one room empty/unused on purpose.

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ANYONE can pick it up. As soon as it becomes available, it's available. It's not a special "pre-release" party :wave:

I wish there was a party for every drop :P

It's a pain to do because you have to take payment in ADVANCE and then issue CREDITS. Remember the name is dropped - if they catch it they HAVE to send FULL PAYMENT of the Premium. They won't do this on the promise of payment - so it's in advance. If they fail? They have to refund. Dynadot doesn't even do refunds!

Refunds for account credit are ok I guess if you have domains up for renewal.

Here Name profits probably to the tune of $50 (extra - not sure on .TV margins). Not worth it except you get a GREAT rep in .TV land!

I'm with you on that one. But for domainers and devs like myself it would be perfect to have more than 1 option in terms of legacy .TV back-orders. It would open up the competition and it would probably make .TV even more popular. Sadly I don't think a lot of end-users (if any at all) put any legacy .TV domains on backorder.

 

[dr manos]

Daily backorders are usually less than 5 (most days 1-2) for .tv names.
So it is not forcing registrars as Dynadot to make something for it and anyway they would have limited chances for a grab as Name.com has 5 co registrars so their pool at dropping is quite big.
Same for Enom i think, for the other tlds they have links to namejet for backordering.