.tv Telefon.TV sells for 9,500 EUR

[Ammudamus]

Looks like a decent sale happened through Sedo. Telefon.TV sold for 9,500 EUR.

Other sales:

MobilePorn.TV - $2,000

Source: Sedo Sells website.de For $143,000 | Domain Name News

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A

 

[GoneWalkabout]

That works out at $13,386

It might sound a lot, but what a bargain for the buyer. They have bought the German equivalent of Telephone.TV for peanuts - and it has no premium.

Telephone.TV in english is a $4,500 premium.

Nice that .Tv's are back selling again.

 

[Ammudamus]

Jimbo,
The idea that liquidity has dried up and .TV's are not selling is far from the truth. There are a decent amount of transactions going on, but they are unannounced.

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[anon22339]

Awesome to see the .tv market active!

 

[MrRhee]

Jimbo,
The idea that liquidity has dried up and .TV's are not selling is far from the truth. There are a decent amount of transactions going on, but they are unannounced.

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A

correct.

plus there is also activity in the "premium" space.

 

[gr8trfoo]

how many bidders on telefon? i'll be surprised if it was it more than 1.

 

[htmlindex]

Nice sale for Telefon.tv, I just picked up Telefones(dot)tv - it means "telephones" in Portuguese. The singular version is owned by a Native Brazilian.

 

[garptrader]

Jimbo raises a point that often foreign language .TV domains don't carry the premium renewals their English counterparts do. Of course the demand for foreign language domains is softer.

 

[anon22339]

Of course the demand for foreign language domains is softer.

You say that, but I wonder if that is true for German .tv domains -- from my research, I sense a good bit of activity going on there.

 

[Ammudamus]

I would almost argue that the demand for foreign .TV names is higher than it's English counterparts due to those parts of the world adapting faster to .TV.

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[GoneWalkabout]

It's a big night on German TV

RTL are showing the German version of American Idol "Deutschland sucht den Superstar"

BUT more importantly one of the premium channels is showing the Manchester City Vs Manchester United football ‘soccer’ game. (COME ON CITY!)

Oh, and how do you find RTL?

Just go to RTL.TV of course - like most German channels.


HOWEVER - back to the value of the telefon.tv.
A little outfit called Cybertavern managed to bag the name HANDY.tv - which is the name everyone in Germany gives to a cell/mobile telephone.

If cybertavern invest in .TV that's good enough for me!

 

[Ammudamus]

Jimbo,
Cybertavern actually is not a small outfit. It is the investment arm of Mrs. Jello, aka Domain Spa, aka Igal, who has invested a significant amount of capital in .TV names. The idea is that when the registry was in trouble, he provided much need capital and was able to lock in $50 renewals for top premium names. He will not sell for under six figures for a lot of his names that have 9-10 years of aging. In addition, he has no need for money either.

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[GoneWalkabout]

If cybertavern invest in .TV that's good enough for me!

Wouldn't you just love to be sat on some of the names they own!

Some of their premium names are actually now cheaper than the standard registration fee at Godaddy.

Strangely, you don't see many of their names dropping or cybertaverm/mrsjello coming on Namepros complaining that the world of .TV is crashing to the ground and we should all head for the hills!

 

[MrRhee]

I would almost argue that the demand for foreign .TV names is higher than it's English counterparts due to those parts of the world adapting faster to .TV.

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A

agreed. I get more inquiries from outside the USA, even for my english domains.

 

[Ammudamus]

Jimbo,
Quite frankly, it's risk/reward. He believed in 2000 that TV and the Internet would have some value and be big. He also recognized he would have to wait for a long time. He doesn't really care about development and or parking revenue because he may be in a different financial space than we are. The point is he still believes there is another 5 year period until TV becomes even more mainstream. He is not in the state of liquidating at firesale prices. He knows the potential. In other words, we can wish or we can execute. In the end our dependency on others doesn't measure to our own success. Think against the grain and jump, but with some type of exit strategy in mind.

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[MrRhee]

Wouldn't you just love to be sat on some of the names they own!

Some of their premium names are actually now cheaper than the standard registration fee at Godaddy.

Strangely, you don't see many of their names dropping or cybertaverm/mrsjello coming on Namepros complaining that the world of .TV is crashing to the ground and we should all head for the hills!

both cybertavern & fma have amazing premium .tv portfolios coupled with low renewals. I doubt either one of them will ever drop their domains, and as mentioned earlier I believe they are financially secure.

I keep coming across their names via whois... they own so many gems

but fortunately for others there's many great premiums still available to purchase, as long as you can find a justified business model that allows you to maintain the high renewals. When compared with the .com/.net counterparts, the .tv premium pricing doesn't seem as formidable as it once was.

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[GoneWalkabout]

I would advise anyone against buying premiums. In many way they are toxic UNLESS you have a solid development plan.

I pay over $6000 in premiums a year. It is a level I am very happy with and it serves me fine. That is me, and I know many other premium owners who are quite content with paying $10000 plus on a prmeium name each year.

BUT

Considering the evidence of pure domainer losses in premiums over the past year and the fact that most of the Big price premium domainers have now bailed out of the premium market I think anyone new to the market should only buy NON-PREMIUM names until they get to grips with the market.

I'm not being negative on the premium market (especially as I own some) just practical to those new to .TV.

 

[MrRhee]

I would advise anyone against buying premiums. In many way they are toxic UNLESS you have a solid development plan.

I pay over $6000 in premiums a year. It is a level I am very happy with and it serves me fine. That is me, and I know many other premium owners who are quite content with paying $10000 plus on a prmeium name each year.

BUT

Considering the evidence of pure domainer losses in premiums over the past year and the fact that most of the Big price premium domainers have now bailed out of the premium market I think anyone new to the market should only buy NON-PREMIUM names until they get to grips with the market.

I'm not being negative on the premium market (especially as I own some) just practical to those new to .TV.

most domainers should avoid .tv premiums if they are only in it for the quickflip.
the pricing isn't attractive and hard to explain/relay to potential buyers.

most importantly, it doesn't matter how you classify yourself, domainer or developer, or combination of the two... don't invest what you can not afford to lose.

 

[Ammudamus]

Again, I know this conversation has been beaten to death, but think about it from a brick and mortar business. A good buddy of mine in the domaining industry posed the question about how many businesses would be able to get a physical property or presence for $5,000 / yr? We all complain about the high premium fees, but the argument on the other side is...If you had a generic name for $5,000, but on annum basis you are able to generate $10,000, why do you care? It's short sighted. Learn other techniques on building the asset value of the name (if there is a viable model behind it of course).

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[MrRhee]

Again, I know this conversation has been beaten to death, but think about it from a brick and mortar business. A good buddy of mine in the domaining industry posed the question about how many businesses would be able to get a physical property or presence for $5,000 / yr? We all complain about the high premium fees, but the argument on the other side is...If you had a generic name for $5,000, but on annum basis you are able to generate $10,000, why do you care? It's short sighted. Learn other techniques on building the asset value of the name (if there is a viable model behind it of course).

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Exactly. But most domainers don't (or won't) think in those terms...

i.e.
We just acquired a lucrative geo .tv that I've been pursuing for awhile - I consider it a top ten geo for our business model. To acquire this domain in .com would've been near impossible and even if we had a chance to buy it, the pricepoint, imho, would've been 7 figures based on what domainers would drive the price up to, perhaps even reaching high-7 or 8 figures to a targeted end-user. The .TV didn't cost us anywhere near that amount.

Owning the premium has opened doors with partners/sponsors/allies FASTER than we ever could've opened ourselves... and most importantly, the doors stay OPEN because we invested in a category killer and others want a piece of it. Yes, it all comes down to presentation, packaging, business plan... but if I had approached the same group with the alternative .com that we own, we would not have met with the same open arms (what we've been told). So the premium fee was money well spent.

but once again... not for everyone. ymmv.