new gtlds shop.app ranking above shop.com according to Alexa

[Alessandro Couteau]

Wow is all I can say ...

The screenshot attached is the Alexa ranking of,

https://shop.app

Mind you these Alexa results took them ONLY half a year ... (what?!)

Many of you know I reported this name sold last year to Shopify for $200,000 ... and that their stock soared from a share price of $400 in March 2020 to $1,200 as of TODAY

what an ROI

Here’s the best part !!!

https://shop.com sold for $3.55M in 2003

Alexa Ranking - 14,621

The GTLD https://shop.app triumphs over the TLD https://shop.com ... albeit both are no doubt stunning names !

What was it that TLD .com investors were saying ? .com only - It’s time for new GTLD investors to wake up, consumers are not reliant on .com anymore ~ they are becoming more aware everyday of new technologies and ideas and most importantly names

________

The concensus should be,

~ INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS, WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR NEW INTERNET REALESTATE ~

 

[Lox]

....Terry Semel who was prideful in declining to buy out all of Google for $1M in 1998 ...

In short;

1 time: the problem was the non-existing patent for the pagerank etc. At that time, the Startup without a proper papers, plans and patent was worthless, even Terry considered if "soon-to-be patented" is on the table, he will need an army of experts / lawyers to get the things done.

2 time: the Stanford University shares/pie (backbone investor, infrastructure provider, patent stakeholder etc) was on the table and a price tag of $5B + afterwards do-capitalization of more than $2B .. simple too much (at that time).

Regards

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

i'ts because the domain was featured and published on top site on the world like shopify and techcrunch, business insider, wsj and more:

here is how powerful the backlinks that domain have now:

Makes sense considering Shopify owns the name

Check the ranking and back links on

https://casino.online versus https://casinoonline.com

or

https://home.loans versus
https://homeloans.com owned by Wells Fargo

 

[coolhands]

I haven't heard anyone in the last 5 years claim that the extension effects its ranking power. There are a whole host of metrics that's dictate a domains ranking which can be applied to any extension.

Personally I don't understand why you find this noteworthy.

The big question is...

If you could choose to own shop.com or shop.app (just the domain with no backlinks or other metrics) which would you choose?

If you answer is .app you're probably in the wrong game.

don't compare shop.com Vs shop.app
you should compare instead shopapp.com Vs shop.app

this is the era of digital assets, and you can see now even emoji domains are selling for +$400K, gtlds have a bright future on the domain industry.

 

[D Haynes]

don't compare shop.com Vs shop.app
you should compare instead shopapp.com Vs shop.app

this is the era of digital assets, and you can see now even emoji domains are selling for +$400K, gtlds have a bright future on the domain industry.

I'm not the one making the comparison, that was the OP.

 

[platey]

why do you think google s alphabet is called alphabet?

because organic seo is alphabeticical

(both sides of the dot

.com investors were saying that google should make an offer to buy alphabet .com from bm w etc

google choss the alphabetical option

abc. xyz

which is alphabetically nearer to tge start of the alphabet than alphabet. com etc

the same reason why amazon had to buy

a. co

before alphabet and apple etc

amazons

a. co

amazon understands that

short is better

(both sides of the dot)

a. co is better than a. com

which new gtld investors understood in 2013 which many .com only investors have still yet to realise in 2121 etc which puts a smile on my face lol having been told during the last 8 years or so by domain name brokers that my portfolio has no value etc and now the .com is everything brokees hovering around the top 1% of domains will have portfolios that are difficult to sell as potential buyers will use alexa rankings and the shop .app scenario to disprove that .com is everything which it is not

interesting times lol

 

[Neal Grayson]

Good insight! Thank you for posting. I may analyze sample comparisons on my blog this month since another user mentioned casino.online vs casinoonline.com.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Time Period	NGTLD Aftermarket USD
Last 5 years	20.8m
Last 3 years	10.2m
Last 2 years	6.1m
Last 1 year	2.3m

source: namebio

You’re right ! I should be more clear ^ growing privately : NameBio Sedo ICANN Verisign, are like banks of the domain world ... why would they give any good news about GTLDs, when it directly undermines their strongest investment

A few years ago JP Morgan Chase told consumers not to buy crypto, do not invest ... just last month JP Morgan Chase says they expect BTC to hit $130K a coin ...

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, can’t get fooled again

 

[CraigD]

They are both very solid names that describe exactly what they do.

It's all about content and backlinks.

Aside from that, the extension should not matter for search ranking unless you are searching from within a country where the ccTLD ranks higher because it is a local extension.

For example, if I do a Google search for the word 'shop' from Sydney Australia, the top three sites returned in order are:

shop.app
au.shop.com
dubbo.com.au (who shops in Dubbo?)

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Seven years ago a herd of NTLD bulls crashed the gates of NP, pumped, dumped and faded away. Now we hear about an underground market thriving in the face of a cabal. Thank you, this sounds like a case for the Whistleblower.

Crazier things have happened

10 years ago BTC was trading at ¢8 a coin, look at where things are now

Do you think it is a coincidence that GoDaddy wants to buy MMX for $120M, which owns the rights to 28 different GTLD extensions ... ICANN will have to approve it though

How about your take on the giants who actually own a piece of land in the WWW - let’s talk about the ones who can afford to buy new extensions like .games (starting bid $3M) at Frank Schillings / Uniregistry GTLD auction for 23 different extensions on the 28th of April - some will rise, some will fall

Things are changing fast ^ time to catch up before these “cough” hedgefunds “cough” SEDO, ICANN, Veresign, NameBio, GoDaddy tell you otherwise

Warren Buffet still argues he is not vested in BTC even though him and Bill Gates have a pending patent for what potentially could be ground breaking for BTC or crypto for that matter ... meanwhile JP Morgan Chase and every large banking institution told investors not to buy into BTC just 3 years ago / now they are doing what ? Say it ain’t so

 

[bmugford]

A.com does exist, however it is not for sale and everyday the market sees 100K registrations ... good .com domains are becoming scarce, opening up the opportunity for exact match keyword GTLD combinations to come into play as yet another untapped market

A.com does not exist. There are only (3) total L.com that exist.
X.com, Q.com, and Z.com.

Brad

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Cool story.

All tech stocks are up from a year ago. I don't think it has that much to do with the domain.

1:23 time on site is pretty awful for a shopping site, vs. 3:54 for Shop.com.

As a domain investor, let me know when all the new gTLD combined put up even a fraction of .COM sales.

In the last year (from NameBio).

.COM -

118,800 Total sales
$108,500,000 Sales volume

All new gTLD combined -

1,251 Total sales
$2,300,000.

Don't give me the line about unreported sales being higher in new gTLD. All extensions have unreported sales. Low reported sales = low actual sales.

Brad

I agree the GTLD market is still untapped by investors and endusers alike albeit a lot of money is being poured into ownership rights for said extensions ^ we don’t have a massive adoption quite yet

I believe if more TLD .com investors realized the potential and value of strong keyword combinations for the GTLDs ^ It could prove to be a valuable prospect not for just GTLD investors but TLD .com investors as well ^ as more consumers would be exposed to the investment factor in domains, if investors continued to make investments in the industry or if we had a large sale (seven figures +) for a GTLD ^

And as GTLDs and TLDs showed their value, this would open a new market to advertise and sell prime GTLDs & TLDs to endusers AS domains are investments ...

Look at NFT paintings for example, it was huge news when Beeples painting sold for $69M ^ Now they got Mark Cuban on board and the one percenters supporting their market ^ as domain investors we have never had that kind of exposure and quite frankly, it’s disappointing that domains are barely recognized as investments to the average consumer let alone endusers

Maybe if .com investors and GTLD investors started to think alike and put their pride to the side, we could see this new market become a reality

 

[Samer]

The renewal for shop.app is £1440 GBP (~$2,006 USD) per year

I hope all those “premium” garbage, i mean renewal; remain vacant. Horrible biz plan, and God bless those willing to pay that AAV wow.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Honestly, i even question highest ngtld sales,
if it’s not a shopify, err Shop.app, or something.

Oh but you don’t question Lasvegas.com being financed for $90M until 2040 ?

https://www.thedomains.com/2015/11/...gas-com-in-2005-for-up-to-90-million-dollars/

There will always be instances where mankind attempts to artificially manipulate an investment and when they are caught, they should be labeled as such, fraudsters

But that does not give the right to label the market as a fraud in its entirety ... it’s a preposterous statement

 

[MadAboutDomains]

I think you misunderstand what the original post mentioned. Its purpose is to oppose to the general opinions of .com investors that end users must use .com, and end users who adopt ngTLDs never succeed. It tries to point out that we should not be biased, and should invest in good domains that end users may be interested in, regardless of gTLDs. Renewal price is totally irrelevant in defining good domains and Alexa ranking. No matter renewal price is $10 or $2k, it does not affect domain quality (i.e. intrinsic value) and Alexa ranking.

I haven't said that it affects the Alexa rank of shop.app, unless I'm missing something?

The renewal price of this domain doesn't affect the Alexa rank for shop.app, but it affects the success of the gTLDs as a whole.

The conclusion of the original post is as follows:

________

The concensus should be,

~ INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS, WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR NEW INTERNET REALESTATE ~

If you think that the yearly upkeep of domains doesn't affect their chances of success then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Here's my rationale: Having to renew domains at a high price every year decreases the chance of domains in the extension succeeding. To me, the web (and business in general) is about experimentation. Experimentation is the key to success because some projects succeed but most of them fail. To me the pricing isn't conducive to fostering experimentation, so I believe that it decreases the chances of more names being used and them being a success.

Anyway, it's not like we need more reasons not to invest in gTLDs, but I would find a more compelling reason not to invest in them to be that the number of registered gTLDs has dropped by approx 7 million since the start of the year (that's 21% of the total!!!):

My conclusion is that I'm not surprised that THAT company with THAT domain has made a success out of it. They are a company that foster experimentation in commerce in a big way, they offer great value to lots of people with a very low barrier to entry. gTLDs could learn from Shopify's practices in a big way...

 

[Henry Y]

I haven't said that it affects the Alexa rank of shop.app, unless I'm missing something?

The renewal price of this domain doesn't affect the Alexa rank for shop.app, but it affects the success of the gTLDs as a whole.

The conclusion of the original post is as follows:



If you think that the yearly upkeep of domains doesn't affect their chances of success then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Here's my rationale: Having to renew domains at a high price every year decreases the chance of domains in the extension succeeding. To me, the web (and business in general) is about experimentation. Experimentation is the key to success because some projects succeed but most of them fail. To me the pricing isn't conducive to fostering experimentation, so I believe that it decreases the chances of more names being used and them being a success.

Anyway, it's not like we need more reasons not to invest in gTLDs, but I would find a more compelling reason not to invest in them to be that the number of registered gTLDs has dropped by approx 7 million since the start of the year (that's 21% of the total!!!):
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My conclusion is that I'm not surprised that THAT company with THAT domain has made a success out of it. They are a company that foster experimentation in commerce in a big way, they offer great value to lots of people with a very low barrier to entry. gTLDs could learn from Shopify's practices in a big way...

1. Can you distinguish between gTLDs and ngTLDs?

2. Success of the ngTLDs as a whole is not the discussion point in the original post. The original post just mentioned to invest in good domains, regardless of gTLDs. Its key message is that we should not be biased when investing. Renewal price is completely irrelevant in this matter.

3. Your post is already completely off topic. The OP mentioned the success in terms of Alexa ranking (i.e. use by end users), not in terms of the number of registered ngTLDs. I agree that renewal price affects number of registrations, but number of registrations is not the discussion point in this thread. You can open a new thread to discuss how renewal price affects number of registrations, if you want. What's more, it is inappropriate to think ngTLDs as a whole because there are many extensions categorized as ngTLDs. Just like no one thinks ccTLDs as a whole. When you see ngTLDs separately, you will find there are some ngTLDs having growing number of registrations.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

It's relevant because the original post was about investing in gTLD domains as well as the success of gTLDs as a whole based on one domain's success.

I might as well give my 2 cents as I'm here now... I remain unconconvinced of the case for gTLDs based on the success of a single example of one domain that has been promoted by a huge corporation.

The fact its a premium name here is a factor in it's success because it needs someone who can afford the upkeep - unlike the main TLDs.

It's also arguably the best domain on the extension, which also leaves little chance of hope for others than if it had been something else.

I believe your username says everything I need to know about you ... let me say something before I continue, it is impossible to think w/ a clear mind when you are mad,

This post was created to show that GTLDs can compete online to the same likes of their counterparts, despite being a GTLD, and yes you may already be aware of that, however many new domain investors and consumers are not ... This has led to the conclusion of .com investors informing consumers that .com is better, and why, because the .com that has been printed and marketed all over the past 20 years or is it because it has people like you that are not willing to put their pride to the side ... banks said the same thing about crypto, their argument though was “scams” and now it’s the effects on the environment ... there will always be an argument, crypto is valuable industry, banks are a valuable industry, they are similar, but crypto directly undermines the banking system, it attacks the monetary system as a whole, Jamie Dimon himself in an interview on Wallstreet said banks were fearful of new fin-tech - that the competition was very real, and it should be ^ the same should be said for Verisign and ICANN whom have run a monopoly out of the internet the past 20 years

The truth be told though, it does not really matter, at 100,000 domains registered every single day on average, there is nothing I really need to say, you can continue to invest only in .com domains up until the point the Chinese are buying 8 letter .com domains “don’t forget the chips”

My argument is for those who want to be ahead of the game 10-15 years down the road, my argument is for investors wether .com or GTLD investors should invest in only good domains - does not matter the extension, just to invest in good domains, period ... we can argue renewal prices, however I will argue that compared to TLD single keyword .com domains and LL.com domains and NN.com domains and certain LLLL.com domains ... the renewal prices on GTLDs are comparatively much more fair especially for certain extensions with matching keyword combinations

I co own the following examples

https://easy.credit - renewal - $220 / annually

https://e.credit - renewal - $220 / annually

https://mortgage.loans - renewal - $440 / annually

I really do not believe these renewals are unfair for the quality they possess,

at the same time I do agree with you in the simple fact, more companies should follow the same path of Shopify with their example of https://shop.app ... there are other examples by the way Mad; I simply wanted to point out this one, given there is irrefutable evidence of the transaction and the name in the ownership of Shopify

For your own interest you should look at https://casino.online versus https://casinoonline.com or https://home.loans versus https://homeloans.com (WF)

That leads me to something else ^ Fortune 500 companies have a bad habit of buying premium domains, not using them, in fact they let them collect dust ... It’s a shame and you can pretty much be rest assured that name will not sell in your lifetime unless someone buys out Wells Fargo, they aren’t the only ones, look at who owns the majority of LL.com domains or LLL.com domains ... how long can the liquid domain .com market last for investors especially when China is being scrutinized by their own government for using domains to launder money ... Mind you the Chinese are ahead of you, since they own more GTLDs then anyone, Alibaba has one of the largest GTLD portfolio’s, kind of interesting if you ask me

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Mad read my post to you above ^

I never stated that a GTLD will rank higher to the .com because it is a GTLD ... I stated something that was interesting to me, I sent you further examples of comparing counterparts

Apologies, my post was a direct response to @henrypcyeung and not directed at you. Your post certainly contains some valid and reasoned arguments, thanks for taking the time to detail them.

Don't worry I am not mad. I do see why one would want to invest in domains that they feel are worth the yearly upkeep, but my general issue is that they have premium prices charged yearly and that this could prevent organic growth from occurring that .COM and others have enjoyed over the years.

I do also concede that they are difficult to compare and the future is not predictable, it isn't clear cut and you do need to have vision. Unfortunately I feel that a lot of that vision is locked up by the registry and their pesky premium renewal fees and may never be realised because the successes in the extensions are so few and far between - hence why we're talking about shop.app now.

For your own interest you should look at casino.online versus casinoonline.com or home.loans versus homeloans.com (WF)

casino.online has an alexa rank of 1,696,263 and home.loans 1,367,409. They're not exactly gleaming examples .

I believe your username says everything I need to know about you

I only just saw this! How rude. I'll let you off this once though I suppose...

 

[Future Sensors]

At least @MadAboutDomains is now saying "New gTLD", which is positive for the industry as a whole

To @Alessandro Couteau - a .com domain is a gTLD as well. Com was in fact one of the first gTLDs. So you can't just say ".com investor or a GTLD investor".

Enjoying this thread.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

One correction Mad we are currently at over 375M domains in circulation, not a million ... I think you already knew that though

Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the Alexa top 1 million domains list.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the Alexa top 1 million domains list.

I gotcha

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

In short;

1 time: the problem was the non-existing patent for the pagerank etc. At that time, the Startup without a proper papers, plans and patent was worthless, even Terry considered if "soon-to-be patented" is on the table, he will need an army of experts / lawyers to get the things done.

2 time: the Stanford University shares/pie (backbone investor, infrastructure provider, patent stakeholder etc) was on the table and a price tag of $5B + afterwards do-capitalization of more than $2B .. simple too much (at that time).

Regards

Thank you for the information, much appreciated ^ and what are your thoughts on Blockbuster declining to purchase Netflix for $50M in 2000, and now Netflix is worth $250B + (company valuation) ... and Blockbuster has just one store left in Oregon ...

How about Warren Buffet who bought a 5% stake in Disney for $4M in 1966 and he sold his stake for $6M in 1967 ... If he had that stake today, it would be worth $11B

Crazy world we live in

 

[Tewksbury]

INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR GTLDS -

Precisely. Well said Alessandro.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/st...om-top-level-domain-but-for-how-long.1129126/

 

[Samer]

LOL. The ngtld coming out in full force tonight.

What is .app renewal?

Arent they owned by google

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

a.co is not better than a.com. a.com doesn't event exist so saying that Amazon bought a.co because it is shorter/better makes no sense

and .co isn't even a NGTLD so I'm not sure where to even begin with this comment.

A.com does exist, however it is not for sale and everyday the market sees 100K registrations ... good .com domains are becoming scarce, opening up the opportunity for exact match keyword GTLD combinations to come into play as yet another untapped market

 

[platey]

a.co is not better than a.com. a.com doesn't event exist so saying that Amazon bought a.co because it is shorter/better makes no sense

and .co isn't even a NGTLD so I'm not sure where to even begin with this comment.

. co is a cctld i know

but amazon wont need . com when its issued etc

i thought there were only the original 3 × 1 letter . coms that nissan originally owned plus o . com?

but there are a few variations of

a . com using the emoji website address format meaning althought they look like a . com the website address usually starts with

xn--

eg the code that emoji and idn domains start with