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Have'nt been able to sell a domain in months and I'm getting very frustrated. Have sent out hundreds of emails to potential endusers and not one reply of interest. Meanwhile tons of very odd domains are being sold everyday for thousands. This business is not treating me well at all. I just dont know what gives or what I'm doing wrong. :yell:
 
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Reading about other peoples difficulties can really help newbies.... thanks for bringing up this old thread, it gave me some ideas to run after.
 
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Hang in there, I know the credit crunch in the US is affecting a lot of us right now. Everything I find is cyclical, whats cold today might be hot tomorrow :)

good luck, Gary.
 
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I hear this. Back in July I was selling domains left and right, some for very nice prices. Since then, it's been dead for me. I've acquired some nice domains since then, but barely even receive any offers. The few domains I have sold have been $xx sales not even worth mentioning really.

Honestly, I'm starting to focus more on development. I have a few good ideas for sites, so I'm working on those. Also thinking about getting more into online marketing and affiliate programs. Its all related to an extent, but domains alone don't seem to be cutting it for me anymore.

I'd recommend doing the same. Just try to diversify a bit, explore other related areas and tie in your domaining experience with whatever you undertake. At the the end of the day, you'll be developing a vast skill set that has to be worth something, even if it seems our actual domains are not :)
 
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People are more willing to boast about their success than admit their failures. Domaining is hard for a lot of people who wont talk. I respect you for being open about your struggles with domaining.

Rob, I'd advise you to assess your situation, compare the alternatives as to what you can do with your time and make a decision that you are proud to stick with. Comparing yourself to those who are successful is always depressing reguardless of whether it is domaining or something else. Don't stay in the past with the "what ifs". Look to your future.

I relate to some things I'm hearing. I am not good at developing and I also have been let down by people with similar work and see trusting others with developing as too risky. I have had very little success with approaching endusers and I don't bother with that approach.

I am not sure about my long term with domaining. At the moment I think I am moving towards treating it more of a hobby than an income opportunity and it's not an easy decision. Good luck with whatever decision you make.
 
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Personally, I think there are cycles of luck. The longest I've been without selling a domain is about 8 months. But then I sold about 12 domains in the next 4 months. Same modus operandi.
 
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Thanks for the replies and pm's. I have found a new inspiration through this thread and a pm I received :)

Love this place :)
 
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Jasonn said:
It might not be luck but maybe just a numbers game that people like sashas or giode are able to find some poor sucker who has no idea of domain prices.

In a way, I resent your statement above. Like Reece said earlier, luck is a byproduct of work. Very hard work. Some people will never understand this. I can tell you one thing, pessimism will never change your situation.

I understand you're frustration though. I got into this domaining stuff in February of this year, and quickly realized how late I was. I was frustrated often, but it made me hungrier and work harder. Truthfully, when I started out I was spending 16 hours everyday learning all I could. I didn't post a lot, but I did read a lot. I started doing my own thinking, and tried new things.

One of the things I tried was catching names as they dropped, since back ordering wasn't working so well. I timed the .info drop down to the minute, and everyday would set an alarm to wake up at that exact time with my pre-drop list I prepared the night before. I usually got exactly what I was trying for on those .info drops (except the three letter .info's! I soon found that there were a couple members of this forum who were quicker than me and were snagging them all and comparing their catch on this forum:)). I then got a membership at Exody.com (I still have one) and learned a ton about the domain drop system works, plus picked up some of my best .info domains there. I would VERY highly recommend becoming a member of Dwayne Rowland's site. Amazingly it is still undiscovered by large.

Why does this matter? Because it made this business fun, and I was naturally able to progress to bigger and better things. For the first 3-4 months though, I saw obtaining premium .com's as unrealistic (That was, until I tried in May).

One thing is, I always made a note to stay away from anything negative relating to the domain biz, because I realized that negativity can hurt enthusiasm in a big way. You need to be enthusiastic if you want to succeed in anything. Things were no different for me then, than they are for you now (or anyone). It's all a matter of attitude and the level of determination you have. Joe Girard, Guinness World Record holder for the most sold used cars, said that he would avoid most of the other car salesmen he worked with because they were always so negative. It drained him and effected his performance. He noted that they always made excuses for failing, but never blamed themselves for underachieving. Because of this, their situation never changed and Joe always sold rings around them.

Regarding your comment on my, or Sashas, low-balling owners of generic domains. That's a cop out! I think you would be shocked if you knew the prices I paid for the names in my signature. They were not low-ball offers. Frankly, I am put off by low-ballers like the next guy. When I bought Cushion.com for 10k, forum appraisals put the name's value at 10k-20k max. I did the leg work that led to a 75k sale. When I bought Copies.com for 35k, one member of this forum in fact, posted that he thought I OVER paid. It was an opinion that I respected, but fortunately was able to sell it for 90k. Were those low-ball offers? I don't think they were at all. The same for Sashas. I know some of the prices he paid and can tell you that they were not low-balls either.

The best thing for you would be to stop looking at the success others are having, and go out create your own success. If you are truly determined to succeed in this business, no one should need to baby step you on how to do it. There is so much information out there, that you couldn't possibly need more.
 
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I've been a "domainer" full time with no other job for coming up on 7 years now have tens of thousands of domains. Sahar got me into the business when he was living in a trailer and me at my parents.

From my experience luck has little to do with how one does in this business, timing is a factor, but large domainers are not built on the back of "brandable" names, speculation or resale. Speculation is a terrible business model and very unstable, at the end of the day it's a job in the truest sense. You don't sell a domain you don't get paid.

While there are sales that occur with large portfolio holders, the business model is based heavily on traffic and revenue earned from it, it doesn't take a visionary to realize that if names that receive type in traffic can generate X amount of revenue in X amount of time it is a good investment. Last month we sold over $30,000 in domains, but this is in addition to our primary business model.

When you focus on a sustainable business models, take educated risks, and continue to modify your business plan, domaining has the potential to be a good business.

When you have a dream but don't have a sustainable business model you burn out and end up out of the game sooner than needed, and often on someone else's terms.
 
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the economy is certainly cooling off and the domain industry is not immune. on the plus side a weaker dollar should give non-US buyers more purchasing power, but US centric domain portfolios may miss out on the upside potential.
 
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HasRob said:
Have'nt been able to sell a domain in months and I'm getting very frustrated. Have sent out hundreds of emails to potential endusers and not one reply of interest. Meanwhile tons of very odd domains are being sold everyday for thousands. This business is not treating me well at all. I just dont know what gives or what I'm doing wrong. :yell:

You're not doing anything wrong!
It's all about interest. I bet if you post your domains for sale here you won't get more than reg fee for most of them.

If someone is interested in your domain, then he may be willing to pay grands for it even though others won't pay you $10 for it!

Domaining == luck (1st)
Domaining == experience (10th)
:imho:
 
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I am enjoying the weak dollar, investing as much as I can :)
when it goes up again I will only win ;)
 
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Last year, I had thoughts about giving up domaining. I'm glad I didn't though. Sales will come and go. I had a mid-xxx sale last month, and another in process this month after 4-5 dry months.
Make sure all of your domains are listed & categorized at as many places like sedo, fabulous, afternic, etc... that you can think of. You never know when you'll wake up to a nice email that someone has made you an offer.

Hang in there!
 
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yandig said:
Last year, I had thoughts about giving up domaining. I'm glad I didn't though. Sales will come and go. I had a mid-xxx sale last month, and another in process this month after 4-5 dry months.
Make sure all of your domains are listed & categorized at as many places like sedo, fabulous, afternic, etc... that you can think of. You never know when you'll wake up to a nice email that someone has made you an offer.

Hang in there!

Well, in my opinion a mid $xxx sale every few months in not worth the effort.

I agree with Ronald above that development is a good way to go. :imho:
 
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HasRob said:
Have'nt been able to sell a domain in months and I'm getting very frustrated. Have sent out hundreds of emails to potential endusers and not one reply of interest. Meanwhile tons of very odd domains are being sold everyday for thousands. This business is not treating me well at all. I just dont know what gives or what I'm doing wrong. :yell:
If you wouldn't be offended, I'd be glad to give your portfolio a look and see if I just might be able to offer a little advice or pricing/marketing thoughts.
Send me a pm if interested.
 
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AHA7 said:
Well, in my opinion a mid $xxx sale every few months in not worth the effort.
It depends on what your goals are. But, it sounds to me like the original poster would be pretty happy with a mid-xxx sale right about now.
 
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Do not quit! I read through your post some tension.. cool mate, it's a cycle and I am sure this trouble will be over with a bit of patience from you. Holding precious domains will never hurt, just do not give up. Explore new niches, develop your domains, try to collect revenue from them sitting just in the corner. The end-user will come sooner or later if your domain is worth it.
 
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yandig said:
It depends on what your goals are. But, it sounds to me like the original poster would be pretty happy with a mid-xxx sale right about now.


LOL, I'd be a happy with a mid xx sale right now :) But really could use low xx,xxx :)

OutLawbiker, my portfolio is listed everywhere just about and you can see it at domainersbusiness.com in my sig.

I dont have too many great names but do have a few I'm glad I own. Eventually I know they will sell for some decent profit. Right now though is pretty tough not getting any replies to my emails and I've sent out hundreds as I mentioned.

Thanks for all the replies!
 
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HasRob said:
LOL, I'd be a happy with a mid xx sale right now :) But really could use low xx,xxx :)

OutLawbiker, my portfolio is listed everywhere just about and you can see it at domainersbusiness.com in my sig.

I dont have too many great names but do have a few I'm glad I own. Eventually I know they will sell for some decent profit. Right now though is pretty tough not getting any replies to my emails and I've sent out hundreds as I mentioned.

Thanks for all the replies!
Give the phone a shot. Start up a network of buyers. Do you save emails from past customers? Sell a couple on ebay to gain some interest. Submit some to the DomainTools.com Online auction on Dec 18th. SnapNames.com is having an online auction coming up as well. Moniker seems to be having them Weekly. TDNAM.com is good from time to time, and has low fees.

How much time are you sticking in daily? Are you only going after End users? They are the hardest to find. I might find 10 a yeat TOPS and I am a full-time domainer.

Think outside the box and things will work out. If you need any pointers, feel free to email me, pm me etc.
 
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HasRob said:
LOL, I'd be a happy with a mid xx sale right now :) But really could use low xx,xxx :)

OutLawbiker, my portfolio is listed everywhere just about and you can see it at domainersbusiness.com in my sig.

I dont have too many great names but do have a few I'm glad I own. Eventually I know they will sell for some decent profit. Right now though is pretty tough not getting any replies to my emails and I've sent out hundreds as I mentioned.

Thanks for all the replies!

Don't worry! I am prepared to offer you 100 NP$ for DubaiPrivateIslands.com!! This sensational offer will not repeat.
 
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Well lets see.

I have all my domains listed at afternic, sedo, moniker. Biggest sale to date was $1,500 and that sold on ebay. Moniker is imho a joke. Why? Because they never once have awnsered any of my emails or replied to any of my domain submissions for auctions. I'm actually ready to close my account there but obviously they'll survive without me.

Afternic, have no problems with them just very little "L Visits" lately and zero offers.


Sedo, haha. Sold about 6 names through sedo but their CS reps seem to all be laid off all the time. And they ruined one sale for me because the broker went on vacation and never contacted the buyer to receive the funds after high xx amount of days and I actually had to cancel the sale.

Godaddy, I register all my domains through them but find TDNAM listing process a joke (one name at a time?) and theres like 50 billion domains there for my 80 or so to get lost in very easily so I wont even bother there.

And yes, I try for endusers on a few of my domains for a better profit and also try to sell some domains to other domainers for a smaller and fair profit. But none of the above seem to be working lately.


I may appear to be crying a little and I am. But what drives me even more insane then seeing the oddest names selling for thousands is hearing others here and there crying because there only making $4,000 a month on "one" of their parked domains labor free $$$$$$$$


Maybe this is a big league hobby/profession and I'm just not finanially able to accomplish what I'd like. Kinda like the stock market, it's either $7.00 a trade or $7.00 a domain.
 
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Same here. I own several domains. Never sold a single one.
 
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ablaye said:
Same here. I own several domains. Never sold a single one.


I never said I didnt sell any :) In fact, I dont have exact numbers but I'm on the plus side by atleast $4,000 so all my domains about 90ish are paid for plus some. But I want more :hehe:


On the development topic, I have tried talking to quite a few respectable namepros members about partnering up with me on a project but no luck. I tried one project on my own with a webdesigner who did the exact opposite of what I wanted. Shoulda just flushed that money down the toilet. And without design skills myself whats one to do really. I agree with the luck comment because I'm obviously going to need alot of it :imho:
 
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Rob, some stupid-long domain names are getting sold for thousands and hundreds. This should keep you hopeful. :)

Can you explain more why you have not worked on the development part? I might be able to help within my line of ability :D You say..you couldn't partner with member. What partnership can we do
 
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