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For the first time in its history, the Internet is running a real risk of fracturing into multiple and perhaps even incompatible networks.

At a meeting in Geneva last week, the Bush administration objected to the idea of the United Nations running the top-level servers that direct traffic to the master databases of all domain names.

That's not new, of course--the administration has been humming this tune since June. What's changed in the last few months is the response from the rest of the world.

Instead of acquiescing to the Bush administration's position, the European Union cried foul last week and embraced greater U.N. control. A spokesman said that the EU is "very firm on this position."

Other nations were equally irked. Russia, Brazil and Iran each chimed in with statements saying that no "single government" should have a "pre-eminent role" in terms of Internet governance.

Do read the full article here:

http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5886556.html?tag=tb

Important issue here for all domain name owners!

I'm not sure how this is going to play out, but things could get ugly if no one is willing to compromise and the domain name system is split into different services.

I know the words "Bush administration" can cause a knee-jerk urge for some people to post something nasty, but stop and consider -- do you really want the United Nations managing the domain name system?
 
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AfternicAfternic
I feel a big tax potentially coming on. Anyone else? ICANN tax is only $0.25... Imagine if someone made it a few bucks or Euros.
 
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IMHO the current system which works just fine is fine - it goes back to what I said earlier but most people would agree that if it isn't broken then it doesn't need to be fixed. I'm not basing my argument on who created the internet or who did what first. I just think it's a bit silly, at the very least, to risk a structure so vital to global communications when it's working fine as it is. It doesn't come out to a situation that is better for any group, it comes out to be a power grab seemingly justified by broad "for the good of humanity" statements.
 
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Does it REALLY matter where and with whom it came from. Its here, it works, we love it :)

billinchina said:
I feel a big tax potentially coming on. Anyone else? ICANN tax is only $0.25... Imagine if someone made it a few bucks or Euros.


You can bet your life on that :(
 
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I never noticed that billinchina. I can see why people dont want England in charge of ICANN, imagine the tax we'd put on it! We tax everything! Before you know it, it will cost $100 to register a .info! Ahh, panic! Fear and chaos!
On a more serious note, Tim Berners Lee invented the concept for the internet. From memory, I think it was a way for scientific research centres to communicate their findings to each other, or something. I read a book on it a few years ago...:O
 
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Sooner or later, in order to save the Internet and guarantee future development, the Internet has to be truly globally operated. It's just not working that ICANN runs it as a very commercially flavoured entity and clearly pushes for an agenda that mostly benefits one country (no need to name it, because you guess it anyway). The basic problem of the Internet is that it's simply far too Anglo American. Issues such as IDNs and Unicode have proven this. Not to mention the biggest technical concern: Excluding several exceptions, all DNS root servers are located within the borders of one country, on one continent. This is alarming for making the DNS system sustainable.

What we need to see is the Internet developed from a global prospective, to serve the common good. This isn't the case when very fundamental infrastructure is located mainly in the USA. It doesn't matter which country it is, as long as we see the administrative body being spread out more diverse and making sure the network can work independent even if a big flooding would suddenly swamp North America. A part of this process must be getting rid of ICANN being under political preasure from the White House. ICANN doesn't necessarily have to be merged into some other large body (like the UN), as long as it's made to function in a democratic manner and it pushes for a truly global Internet.

We need to forget about geopolitical borders and focus on unifying standards (IDN and Unicode) becoming de facto and scattering around the globe the technical resources of the Net. Each country would take care of their own ccTLD and ICANN would take care of gTLDs in a way that benefits everyone.

And those who think the Americans should have a monopoly on this: The Internet can't flourish more as it now does, as long as you see it as network for mainly your own population. This has nothing to do with bashing you and burning your flag. It's about making sure the Internet mends us together as unified cyberspace, in which no single nation must have authorative power.
 
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Just give them whatever they want! Don't split the web in half. That's gay.
 
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Xfactor said:
No question about it,People tend to forget who created the computer operating system and the net,AMERICANS did,China will never do squat,They know better,simple as that,If the net is divided it would be a bad thing,But if it does so be it,I'll be doing the same thing all4 is talking about.

...not much use without a computer...and who created that? Brits! :wave:
 
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1) Folks are arguing semantics at this point, but "The Internet" was the U.S., the idea of the WWW (That most closely matches what was developed) was the U.K., in any event, it's been a collective effort for many a year; Let it go :)

2) Government intervention screws with everything, why give many more governments the ability to f$$$ around with a great thing?

3) As much as some of you may hate America, don't let your hate blind you to the reality that if we do value an open, free, and non-taxed non-regulated internet, our best chance is with ICANN. They aren't perfect, but when the alternative is Iran / China having some say in the governance... ICANN has not restricted many an inflammatory site (Some of which I probably own/run ;) ) that we all know wouldn't have a chance in hell of lasting under the gov of the islamo-facist or social-communistics.

4) And lastly: Some of a'll were right, the U.S. isn't a super-power anymore. We're a Super-Duper power ;)

Nothing but love (And free internet) folks,
-Allan
 
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this is bu11 sh1t!
i hate bush, but thank god he had the brains to tell them to F off. let them break away and do their own thing, who cares. the very WORST thing that could happen is letting places like china and iran get a say so in what goes on. if anything we should be bombing these countries, not giving them say so on important things like the internet.

MAYBE i can see allowing europe,canada,australia, and places like that getting some say so. the rest of thoes freak show goverments shouldnt be able to touch the net, if they wanna have power so bad then let them go make a terrorist/communist type internet of their own.
 
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Alright now its my turn to put my opinion is this little political thing. People say the U.S. shouldn't own it since they try to control everything. FALSE. How many countries donate money to other countries when they are in a time of need? How many countries help when someone is in need? Only a few. The biggest donor? The United States. Without the United States most foreign companies would lose over 50% of their revenue. Without US intervention in things more things would be corrupt. People like to take advantage of the fact that the US does all this. Then they would bitch even more if we quit doing it. Read up facts on everything and think about this issue from many points of view not just one. ICANN should not be forced to hand over power to anyone. We aren't demanding for Sony or any other major companies to hand over their power to us.
 
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Man you guys still have communism on the brain...it seems to have been some sort of paranoa thats inflicted your mindset for the last 50 + years...and id have to say by in large its a complete non-issue for the rest of the world, Australia included. Communism is dead and buried, theres no point in bringing up this reds under bed rubbish that seems to get trotted out anytime somebody thinks about taking something away from U.S dominated control. There either red or muslim extremists, you guys need to take a reality check and realise this isnt the 1950's. As far as China is concerned, the place is becoming more like the West every single day.....These arent the days of Stalin and Chairman Mao...get over it.

The fact is the internet is far too important for virtually every major economy in the world to have the overwhelming majority of control resident in the hands of one country. Its unbalanced and it will be corrected over a period of probably a couple decades, as other countries play a stronger role alongside the U.S.

ICANN has done a pretty good job so far, you'd have to say, and im no particular hurry to see things change, BUT others countries are concerned that too much power resides in the hands of a few people of a particular culture and background, and since the internet trully is a global tool these days, they think decision making and the way the net is run should be reviewed...I can see that arguement is fairly reasonable, any sensible person would. Just because a new structure for the governance of the internet is invented, doesnt mean it's automatically going to go the way of the U.N and its recent performance....

In terms of bombing China and Iran LOL....weeeeeeee im not even going to comment.

resellerlogic said:
Alright now its my turn to put my opinion is this little political thing. People say the U.S. shouldn't own it since they try to control everything. FALSE. How many countries donate money to other countries when they are in a time of need?

Just about every major disaster of the last few years has seen a global effort in response. Countries donate what they can based on what they can afford and whats requested of them, and there expertise.

resellerlogic said:
How many countries help when someone is in need? Only a few. The biggest donor? The United States.

The U.S is definately the biggest donor in terms of dollar value, theres no argument on that front. The U.S also has an economy several times larger than the nearest competitor...so they should donate the most. There are however very few countries that donate anything like the percentage of GDP they have "agreed" to donate in previous arrangements in the U.N. You can count them on one hand...and funnily enough its a few relatively small economies that are actually meeting there obligations. The U.S, Australia, and Britain are wayyy behind.

resellerlogic said:
Without the United States most foreign companies would lose over 50% of their revenue. As Without US intervention in things more things would be corrupt. People like to take advantage of the fact that the US does all this. Then they would bitch even more if we quit doing it. Read up facts on everything and think about this issue from many points of view not just one. ICANN should not be forced to hand over power to anyone. We aren't demanding for Sony or any other major companies to hand over their power to us.
 
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IF this happens i will completely leave the internet, stupid bush 'thinks' he knows what hes doing.
 
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Shorty said:
I never noticed that billinchina. I can see why people dont want England in charge of ICANN, imagine the tax we'd put on it! We tax everything! Before you know it, it will cost $100 to register a .info! Ahh, panic! Fear and chaos!
This is a valid point. In the UK everyone who owns a TV has to pay a yearly tax on it. This is used to fund public broadcasting services. Overall is probably not a bad thing, but a lot of people don't like it.

Get the UN involved and who knows what sort of “taxes” will be levied to support what. It's a certainty that there would be some charge introduced to help developing countries. And of course there will be 50% tacked on top of that to finance the obese international organisation that would administer the charge.

IAmAllanShore said:
3) As much as some of you may hate America, don't let your hate blind you to the reality that if we do value an open, free, and non-taxed non-regulated internet, our best chance is with ICANN. They aren't perfect, but when the alternative is Iran / China having some say in the governance... ICANN has not restricted many an inflammatory site (Some of which I probably own/run ;) ) that we all know wouldn't have a chance in hell of lasting under the gov of the islamo-facist or social-communistics.
This is one case where the devil you know is undoubtedly better than than devil you don't. ICANN has it's faults, but has done a far better job than I originally expected. Be grateful that the US has been almost fanatical in applying free market ideology to the Internet. Others would not do the same.

Ask yourself this. Who wants to control the Internet and what do they plan to do with it? Why not head off to the WGIG website and see what these people have planned for you before giving them your blind support?
 
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For interested people, a final report on their website, which is about 24 pages in english, while fairly mind numbing, bring up some interesting points. Particular points 15 through to 26 i think...Its worth a read..if only once. Its pretty clear that there are a LOT of unresolved issues that i wasnt even aware of, and its also pretty clear there not being adequetly dealt with under the current system.

As Prima pointed out, they mention the disadvantage developing countries face several times within the report, but there really are dozens of issues...

Its one of the documents i guess you have to be in the mood to read, but like i said its worth browsing at least once to get an idea of what the fuss is about.
 
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Internet should be governed by ITU - http://www.itu.int - under UN supervision.
Many Americans think that Internet was invented in US, while this is not the case. Internet was invented in the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) - http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/AboutCERN/Achievements/WorldWideWeb/WWW-en.html.
Later it was employed by the US military that in turn allowed the commercial use of that technology in the early 90s. It is really high time that Internet becomes truly international. Otherwise, with the rapid advance of IDN proliferation we really risk fragmentation.
 
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I just hope theres some agreement when its all said and done, and these outstanding issues can be looked at and dealt with...there not going to go away, in fact there likely to get much worse, as the internet pushes over 1 billion users, and the systems in place are not adequete to deal with it.

I dont think any new organisation under the authority/control of the U.N is going to get a great deal of support in the U.S...but unfortunately that is the only trully international body we have..
 
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this is actually very scary!
i think this would be a real blow to the world economy
 
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wildbest said:
Internet should be governed by ITU - http://www.itu.int - under UN supervision.
Many Americans think that Internet was invented in US, while this is not the case. Internet was invented in the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) - http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/AboutCERN/Achievements/WorldWideWeb/WWW-en.html.
Later it was employed by the US military that in turn allowed the commercial use of that technology in the early 90s. It is really high time that Internet becomes truly international. Otherwise, with the rapid advance of IDN proliferation we really risk fragmentation.
That's just plain wrong. I was using the Internet long before 89 when you claim it was invented in CERN. The reason the US controls the Internet is precisely because it was invented in the US. It was used almost exclusively by the US military and universities up until the mid 80's when it was split into two networks. Milnet for the military (milnet) and ARPANET for the rest of us. At the same time the first commercial domain names were created. This is least five years before you claim commercial use was first allowed.

And that's why this argument that whoever created it owns it is a bad one. The US control of the Internet is an artefact of it's creation, nothing more. The Internet should have international management because this can improve the network and make it more functional for a wider variety of users. Not because of some UN manifest destiny to poke it's sticky fingers into anything that crosses national borders. International management won't come about through politically motivated power grabs. It will happen when people who have a legitimate complaint come up with a better way to do things. And so far they haven't
 
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