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Paypal took something like 4% of my parking revenue from last month. It doesn't sound like much, but it added up to more than $100.

I don't understand. They sent me a message saying I'm only allowed to receive $500 per month before being charged. But I've earned much more than that for the past six months (when I started parking my domains), and never got charged before. Not sure why they suddenly decided to do this to my account now.

More importantly, though, is there a way to avoid this? Is this due to the fact that the parking co. I use doesn't have 'mass pay' or something? (I've heard of it, but don't know what it is, so I'm guessing...).

I don't want to switch parking co's. Is there a suggestion I can make to them or something I can do on my end? It seems like a total rip-off. I suppose I could have them send me a check each month, instead of using PayPal. But I'm hoping for an electronic solution, since the parking co is in a foreign country.

Thanks

p.s., is there a viable alternative to PayPal? I know Google has some 'checkout' thing, or something, but I don't see it used anywhere. Anything else? It seems like PayPal has a monopoly and is abusing it. Credit card co's charge only 1 or 2 percent (I think). PayPal's a great service, but there's no reason on earth why they deserve $100 for processing a routine transaction. What a joke.
 
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FGclips said:
Somebody transferred a small amount of money to me, and Paypal took 27% of it.
paypal took a few cents?

if you're working with small amounts on namepros, try to use np$. no fees!
 
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DJ-Sound said:
I always get a good laugh when people complain about paypal fees, get a real merchant account, pay usually higher fees, and have to wait 2-3 days before having access to your money...paypal is paypal for a darn good reason, if you believe anyone is "ripping you off" why not request checks or wires instead of paypal payments?

people that complain never had a cc merchant account before so they have no idea how much BETTER paypal is. Try to dispute a charge back on a visa/mastercard/amex merchant account and see how far you can go . . . !

The amount of fraudsters out there is huge, paypal loses a lot of money to fraudsters so they have to make that money up some how. (same with cc companies) . . . its really the fraudsters that's causing all our fees to go up.
 
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shockie said:
paypal took a few cents?

if you're working with small amounts on namepros, try to use np$. no fees!
Somebody transferred $1.23, and they took $.34.
 
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Everyone who touches a transaction takes a piece of it. The merchant accounts also have all kinds of weird fees - fees if you have too many transactions, fees if you have too few transactions, chargeback fees, you name it. It's true we tell most of our ecommerce clients who aren't already set up with a credit card account to use Paypal. That's not to say there aren't areas in which they could improve.
 
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hitchhiker said:
people that complain never had a cc merchant account before so they have no idea how much BETTER paypal is. Try to dispute a charge back on a visa/mastercard/amex merchant account and see how far you can go . . . !

One of my best friends runs an ebay consigment/shipping store. He tells me that he would always rather get payment through his merchant account. He has had numerous problems with ebay as well (none of them were even close to his fault, and I am not just saying that). He also does not keep funds in Paypal for more than a few days, at my suggestion, which is a fine strategy if you only sell with Paypal, and don't buy things with the funds.

Disputes on Paypal are also not easy and often times are deciding for the wrong party with absolutely no reason other than that they sound like they want to be lazy and not take the time to understand the issue. Paypal and ebay support are filled with some of the most incompetent employees online, and certainly within the financial services industry. I would much rather deal with my bank.
 
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biohammer said:
people just upgrade to a premier or business account with PayPal and stop complaining you will have higher limits for free . You have to verify a few more things like phone number etc . I have never been charged to receive money on my premiere account. And PayPal has gotten money back for me from bad sellers. PayPal is Great!! to me

Never charged me a dime either. Works well for me, If I remember right I varified my Bank account and Mailing address when I accepted their debit card and that was it. They probably get interest off the money that funnels through but that's fine by me. :)
 
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The banks are the worst business to look to for ethics.

Their hands are dirty with fraudulent loans, ... creating the biggest flub up in history with being involved with sub prime lending and lending knowingly to a nation with credit so maxed it now threatens to crash the economies of the world.

Banks will have a new chapter written about them in the coming months as the truths of their middle class confiscation schemes come to light.

Not going to see Pay Pal in the same light as banks. At least with Pay Pal, you know what is expected and that is what you get. If you get something else it is your fault for not reading their Tos.

All of us in the online shopping mart stores of which I am a owner of two would be hell broke in a day if not for Pay Pal. Pay Pal is the backbone of online shopping stores. They are the biggest online payment transfer company in the world.

.04 cents for immediate cash payment is why myself and hundreds of millions of people who want to do online transactions choose Pay Pal.

If parking companies who are also a net business that should have extremely low overhead too, modeled their business plan like Pay Pal, you and I would be rich. If they gave us all the monies earned except .04 like Pay Pal and gave us the 96% revenue we earned we would all be skipping thru daisys.

The reason why you don't see a competitor is because they are doing it the best.

I don't see any domainers complain about paying thru Pay Pal when they register a domain. Why not? They know it is secure, fast and accepted.

I need to sign into Pay Pal and see what monies awaits me, lol
 
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paypal fees

are way two high.many of the competitors like epassporte are high too.But what is the alternative.?Why not google pay?.I have used them to send money .are there fees lower to receive?.Basically paypal is like ebay; they got so big that no one can challenge them from there position high on the hill.And people high on the hill look down on everyone.those disputes they claim to get money back for are usually outsourced through the credit card dispute policy[which is standard in usa].I was told this by paypal themselves.Don't get a gold star for that.
 
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Its a simple fact, most deals for payment from domainers are paid thru Pay Pal. Most people who want to pay for a online transaction are paying thru Pay Pal.

You want to override all that? Not me, I go with the way people want, and they want to pay with Pay Pal. If I dismantled Pay Pal for my online store or my two Ebay stores, I would have a trickle of money coming in.

Hate Pay Pal? Go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot is how I see it. Love Pay Pal = money.
 
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goodkarmaco said:
Its a simple fact, most deals for payment from domainers are paid thru Pay Pal. Most people who want to pay for a online transaction are paying thru Pay Pal.

You want to override all that? Not me, I go with the way people want, and they want to pay with Pay Pal. If I dismantled Pay Pal for my online store or my two Ebay stores, I would have a trickle of money coming in.

Hate Pay Pal? Go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot is how I see it. Love Pay Pal = money.

That's why paypal is holding us to ransom. If we don't want to accept paypal, we lose the business. If we want the money, then we have to accept paypal, and endure the high fees. This is like extortion.

Would you still say "love paypal = money" when paypals one day charges 30% fees because "if these people don't accept paypal, they will have no business. No business = no money. They will just suck it up and accept our high fees. They cannot do anything about this."
 
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DnPresident said:
Never charged me a dime either. Works well for me, If I remember right I varified my Bank account and Mailing address when I accepted their debit card and that was it. They probably get interest off the money that funnels through but that's fine by me. :)

I have full verification on a premier account with them and I've been charged for most incoming transactions (except from Mass Pay places) . Is there some kind of setting or something that I need to set for it not to charge these, or are you just talking about outgoing and/or withdrawal fees? I doubt I'm over some limit since I don't use it that much.
 
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PowerUp said:
That's why paypal is holding us to ransom.
Uh...no one's being held for ransom here. Nor is anyone forced to use them if
you feel they're not meeting your expectations, especially when other options
exist.

As others have stated, it so happens PayPal is used by many people because
they're generally able to deliver what they want. It also happens one can lose
business because PayPal is widely used around the world.

Seems simple enough to me. What's the problem here?

Personally, I've used them for over 2 years. I've had a few issues which were
generally resolved, so I guess I'm lucky so far.
 
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Dave, you are not lucky. Its the norm for Pay Pal to help people and to give people the best there is in online money transactions. Thats what Pay Pal does.

Think about this for a minute folks.

If Pay Pal was not doing a great job, and by saying that I mean, giving the buyer and the seller great service and beating out the competion for that market, then they would not be the largest electronic banking system in the world.
 
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Dave Zan said:
Uh...no one's being held for ransom here. Nor is anyone forced to use them if
you feel they're not meeting your expectations, especially when other options
exist.

As others have stated, it so happens PayPal is used by many people because
they're generally able to deliver what they want. It also happens one can lose
business because PayPal is widely used around the world.

Seems simple enough to me. What's the problem here?

Personally, I've used them for over 2 years. I've had a few issues which were
generally resolved, so I guess I'm lucky so far.

In your own words, "..PayPal is used by many people because
they're generally able to deliver what they want. It also happens one can lose
business because PayPal is widely used around the world."

So, it is suicidal for one's business if he so chooses not to accept Paypal right? He'd be losing lots of business.

Tell me, if Paypal increases their fees by 1%, would you still accept Paypal? what about 2%? 3%? 4,5 or even 10%? Yes, you'd still have to accept Paypal because the alternative of not accepting Paypal is losing your customers and it's as good as shutting down your business.

Do you now see how Paypal is holding us to ransom? Either we accept their fees, or we shut down our business.
 
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PowerUp said:
Tell me, if Paypal increases their fees by 1%, would you still accept Paypal? what about 2%? 3%? 4,5 or even 10%? Yes, you'd still have to accept Paypal because the alternative of not accepting Paypal is losing your customers and it's as good as shutting down your business.

Do you now see how Paypal is holding us to ransom? Either we accept their fees, or we shut down our business.
As long it meets my expectations and goals, sure. If the costs start eating up
my profits, then I adjust by raising my price or so.

Read this article of a lady who's made good online inspite of not using PayPal
back then:

http://www.ericstips.com/tips/ladan-lashkari/

Years ago I couldn't use PayPal either. Rather than complain since that won't
solve my payment delivery problem, I looked around and, for a time, used the
same service Ms. Lashkari had utilized. (plimus.com)

There are other online payment options. Sure you'd lose out a lot from people
who prefer using PayPal, but you can still accept payments via AlertPay, wire
transfer, whatever, as long as you somehow earn people's trust.

No, I still don't see how PayPal is holding us to ransom when we're not forced
to use their services. If you believe you can't make your business or so work,
even though there are other options like I pointed out, then you're certainly
not going to make it work.
 
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I think we are missing a point here.

The reason Pay Pal has the market share of online payment transactions is because no company at this time can compete with them. If they started screwing us over with real high fees say .09% percent or more, then the market, (us who use Pay Pal) will stop using them. After millions of us users stop using them, that will allow another company to take Pay Pals place. That more than likely will not happen as the success story of Pay Pal is remarkable.
 
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goodkarmaco said:
If they started screwing us over with real high fees say .09% percent or more, then the market, (us who use Pay Pal) will stop using them. After millions of us users stop using them, that will allow another company to take Pay Pals place.
There you go. Ain't capitalism great sometimes?
 
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A lot of people on here are missing the whole argument. First of all, while I wouldn't use the phrase "Paypal is holding us at ransom", although the message is straigtforward and correct. The first thing that needs to be pointed out, is that yes, in many cases we have no other option but Paypal. When completing a transaction on Namepros, we do have other options. NP$, escrow.com, Google checkout. These options are all available and fine. Paypal does not make the lion's share of its profits from domains, however. It does make them from regular transactions of items on ebay. If you want to sell something online, and want to sell it now at auction, rather than having to set a fixed priced at a store like Amazon and waiting, then you have only one option. That option is ebay. Ebay has a monopoly on online auctions. You can define their monopoly by their market share, but it is fairly obvious that they have a monopoly without any official metrics. Overstock.com auctions, while a good idea, do not compete, especially if you are selling anything higher than a certain price. Now, importantly, it is not illegal for ebay to have a monopoly that they built up through solid competition. What is illegal is if they have a monopoly and use it to get a monopoly in another market or use it to control another different market and stifle competition. That is exactly what ebay is doing with Paypal. When ebay was not quite the monopoly it is today, they accepted almost any type of payment there was, bidpay, moneybookers, Western Union. After ebay built up an insurmountable lead, they bought Paypal, and then began slowly getting rid of all accepted payments except Paypal. This in turn drove some of the payment processors out of business. This is similar to when Microsoft built up a perfectly legal monopoly, legal that is, until they started using the monopoly to control other markets, such as bundling a free browser, which drove the browser companies out of business. The one big difference I see, is that Microsoft got in trouble for trying to innovate and give us things for free that we would otherwise have to pay for, which isn't so bad. Ebay and Paypal are breaking the monopoly laws and are not benefiting any customers by doing it, but in fact are hurting customer by limiting choices, raising prices, and bullying customers.

On the price increase front. I am the first to say that business should be able to raise prices over time. I am a huge supporter of the capitalist system and have been since I was 11 years old. The price increases that ebay and Paypal implement are ridiculous. I have never seen a year that both ebay and Paypal did not raise at least some fees. Sometimes the increase is outrageous (500% increase in the listing price for store listings one year). When a company increases prices so much in a year, they should not be able to again next year, and the year after that. The only way ebay and Paypal can get away with it is because of their monopolies.

Now, if anyone wants to argue that we have payment options on ebay other than Paypal, checks and money orders, I am interested. Here is what I can tell you from my experiences on ebay. If you choose to not accept Paypal, your items will sell for probably anywhere from 20%-50% less than it would if you accept it. Also, you will see probably a 200%-400% increase in people who end up not paying and it takes longer to find out that they are not paying. It is true you can continue to use ebay without Paypal and accept those statistics above, but for me personally, I worked my issues out with Paypal, even though I hate them, because I see myself as having zero other options.

So, if I want to sell something via auction online, I really only have one choice, ebay. If I want to accept payments on it, I have only one choice, paypal. That means that they have a monoploy in auctions and that using that they have built up a monopoly in online transactions for auctions (maybe soon, but hopefully not, a monopoly in online payment), and have driven competitors out of business along the way. This is the texbook defintion of a monopoly that needs to be split up a la Standard Oil and AT&T.


P.S. I used to sound like other Paypal supporters on this thread. I said that if they were that bad then people would choose something else. But then I realized upon trying that route that it is an impossible option. No one has a problem with ebay or paypal, until they actually do, and no one thinks that they will have a problem with them before that. The more you use ebay and paypal, the more unaviodable issues will become. Saying that if paypal raises prices so much or messes with customers so much that they will lose their dominant position is not really realisitic. That argument would be similar to saying that if we abolished the minimum wage, that wages would remain where they are, because if McDonalds lowered hourly wages to $1, then Burger King would pay out $2, and Wendy's would go up to $3, and Mcdonald's back up to $4, just because worker competition would cause wages to increase and not accept a $1 an hour job, so wages would not necessarily decrease. While this argument makes technical sense, obviously there are external circumstances, and we are talking about some of the few issues where I think it is acceptable for gov't to step in and regulate big businesses.

Also, companies do get dominant market share for many reasons other than that they are better, i.e. first mover advantage, unfair competition, etc.
 
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While you consider Ebay a monopoly, the law is quite another matter. There is no law prohibiting other sites from running auctions (and many do). The fact that that are most popular does not make them a monopoly in the same way that AT&T was. The reason AT&T was a monopoly is because it did not allow ANY competition at all, because it owned all the phone lines. Companies, even if they wanted to run their own lines, would have wound up getting stifled by the city governments. Can you imagine telephone polls for every company out there?

I do think that Ebay is wrong to only allow Paypal transactions on their service, but that is a decision that they've made. Businesses make decisions all the time that aren't exactly the best for the customers. Some people refuse to take Amex or Mastercard. A guy I worked for once refused to take CC's at all. But as long as they still remain supported, they have no need to rethink that decision. It will only be when another company starts to run on their turf enough to startle the managers that that may change.

The choice may not be profitable, but it's not against the law if there is a choice.
 
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