discuss .O Discussion

[Armageddon]

Managed by independent members of the community OpenNIC
Any opinion
Right now are for reg. at Epik.com
I don't know if other registrar ofer for registration .O
Notice also already few of them sold on Namepros
Any idea how to be setup on/for VPN to add content ?
Personal i reg. few among them: Mexic.o, Tatto.o , Cong.o , Audi.o , Radi.o , SanFrancisc.o &
Toky.o - for 2021
Show here your registration & your opinion or any info

Kind regards,
Ovi

 

[Paul]

Your DNS servers are pathetically slow, and i can't even stream 144p videos, such is the latency/lag! Perhaps, unless you upgrade your infrastructure, these TLDs would remain unpopular.

DNS has no impact on streaming speed because it has no involvement in streaming beyond finding the correct IP address. It's possible the streaming provider was relying on ECS, which some see as a privacy issue; there's a good chance the OpenNIC resolver you were using had ECS disabled. That might result in your device using a suboptimal IP address--but big streaming providers are most likely utilizing anycast rather than relying on ECS.

If you are someone from OpenNIC, I have few questions: how do you prevent your community members running Tier 2 DNS servers from snooping onto my DNS lookups, can I trust them?

You can't. Same issue with your ISP--or any other resolver. ISPs sell DNS data all the time.

What I feel is these would never popularize and be viable, unless popular DNS servers start resolving these TLDs -
https://dnslookup.online/ (you can check out how many popular DNS servers are actually resolving my domain encrypt.geek, not .o but something along that line, an opennic tld, Google DNS, followed by Cloudflare don't resolve it, no popular DNS support these TLDs yet, so future seems bleak)

Just to clarify, this thread is about Epik's .o TLD, not OpenNIC's. They're separate, which caused quite a bit of confusion. @Rob Monster stated that to avoid confusion, Epik will stop offering conflicting TLDs for now, but existing domains will continue to resolve via Epik's VPN.

 

[cyc]

The main barrier to relevance for Alt Name Spaces is distribution. The traditional solution is a browser plugin, but that has its own set of challenges.

The path Epik is focused on is directed at resiliency through decentralization of the last mile infrastructure, for bandwidth, storage and processing.

I listed above the various technologies that we have assembled under one roof through organic development and acquisition. To get a sense of what is coming for decentralized internet access, check this:

https://os.toki.com/

If you have a Raspberry Pi, you can download and install it and see where this is headed.

Just for calibration, there are 3 billion people with little or no internet access. We can sell them or give them access to a free local internet with local content archive.

You can also test-drive how the system compresses sites for delivery to decentralized Toki servers by using the site downloader we are developing for both the clear web and deep web:

https://websites.org/

The compressed websites are stripped of surveillance code for fast private viewing.

The people who deploy these Toki servers will earn a crypto utility token called a Toki, which is redeemable or transferable. Masterbucks 2.0 will allow you to convert it to fiat or other crypto.

So what does this have to do with Alt Domains? When you install the Toki OS for connection sharing, you also deploy our secure DNS resolver which means it can resolve any alt TLD.

If there is no reliable uplink, it can render a locally cached copy of the site if it has one.

In short, our plan involves more than an alternate namespace. It is an alternate way to leverage decentralized infrastructure for empowerment, resiliency and sovereignty in the digital age.

I'm really sorry, but this still doesn't explain why you're commercing the alternate DNS root extensions.

I actually prefer to use browser plugin, change my DNS manually or use an application to automatize DNS changing.

It's not necessary to purchase anything when it can be done freebie.

 

[Peak.Domains]

"Anyone who criticizes my tactics is a troll"

 

[branding]

I think Opera is working on including native support for alt DNS domains. Not sure if they already got that working.

It reminds me of when you could register all these domains on extensions like .free back in the day (pre ngTLD) by installing some plugin for your browser. That got nowhere.

These are a bit different, might be worth the gamble if you hold them for a long time and they are suitable for 'geeks' who are active in crypto/decentralization and hobbyists.

For a quick flip, maybe mid $xx to high $xx if you're lucky. The best ones maybe even higher. I don't see these taking off mainstream anytime soon as they're too much of a hassle to use for endusers and the average Joe. Also, a lot of company networks ( those that actually care about security) will not allow you to access them.

 

[Rammbo]

But that was after you purchased, Registrars should be fair enough to say that before, isn't it?

Yes, I agree. But for me I did not purchase all of them at once. I made more than one purchase. I should have read the emails after the first purchase.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

They are exactly like .coin, .bit, .geek, etc.....

Yes, although to prevent confusion, want to add that .bit was dropped by OpenNIC due to flagrant misuse of the extension, allegedly, according to this article.

Re doing your own homework, totally agree.

In many ways Epik have better transparency on many things - e.g. their pricing page. When you hover over the little i just before registration. it shows you what the various pricing will be, so you are not tricked into thinking that the domain name renewal is necessarily the same as what you are paying (for .o it is the same).

I would think either there, or somewhere else obvious, having a link to the OpenNIC page with an indication that this is an alternative domain space would be advisable and sufficient.

Bob

 

[ikhub]

Here some domain already sold , I don't how possible if .geek not allowed
https://www.namepros.com/threads/log-o-bin-25.1184000/#post-7706509

Just getting ridiculous.
So the domains basically doesn't exist but resides in the registrar account. The registrar sells something which does not exist, the buyer sells the non existent domains(sic) to someone else and the chain goes on.

 

[Bertrell]

Thats a question you have to ask @epik because no one on this thread actually works for the registrar.

Wasn't the thread opened by an Epik employee/rep?

 

[JB Lions]

I am a little late to this party but happy to add perspective on what is going on here.

There are 3 parts to the plan for making Alt Domains useful:

1. Anonymize.com VPN and DNS resolver: This is free for anyone to download or use. It means that any domain in the Alt Domain zone will resolve just like any other domain. For sites that are concerned about censorship or surveillance, it is a blessing. You will not be able to track their traffic since all tracking code is also rooted out by the VPN. It's cool.

2. Toki Network: For those not aware, Epik is rolling out a network of so-called Toki servers. It is a very cool low cost edge server network which includes cached copies of sites running locally on distributed servers. You can begin to experiment with it on a free service we are releasing at Websites.org. Entire websites can be downloaded, including sites from the dark web in addition to clear web. Again, it's cool.

3. Browser partners: The long term goal is to align with browser partners or deploy/acquire a browser publisher that will integrate the proprietary DNS resolver.

Depending on what you think about the future of censorship and privacy, your enthusiasm for Epik's Alt domains will vary. The domains are all GA, i.e. we have not held back premiums, and the names are also really cheap.

In terms of status, Phase 1 is fully operational.

Phase 2 is coming online. If you have a Raspberry Pi server you can participate in the pilot that is coming online this month. @Arpit131 is leading the pilot, not just in India. If you want to participate, contact him. We are also investigating whether we can do the same on flashed Android devices.

Phase 3 has no known timing but we know that Unstoppable Domains did a deal with Opera browser and they have invited a strategic cooperation with Epik. We decided prioritize phase 1 and 2 because we are concerned about decentralized resiliency.

Specific to Raspberry Pi, they cost about $50 fully kitted. There are more than 30 million of them in circulation. With the full weather-proof case and battery array, they cost about $85 and look like this:

In the meantime, if you want to see sites added to the Toki network, feel free to add them to the Websites.org archive here:

https://websites.org/

This is cool stuff.

Ultimately, I think we'll introduce a model where people can own Alt Domains FOREVER. I have pushed very hard for registries to go this route. They have declined. See here for context:

https://www.epik.com/blog/forever-domain-registrations.html

We are leading the way, regardless of ICANN.

As for people who buy these domains errantly, we are refunding. I have asked our designers to add prominent messaging to help people not to buy Alt Domains without understanding what they do.

What about the claims made on the landing page, when will that be fixed?

https://www.epik.com/tld/o

 

[Joshh71390]

No is not , because after registration a email is sent with instructions
imo fraud is made by some registry like: Afillias , Neustar etc. that reserved the domains ll , lll , ccc , premium keywords after expire & they sold at high prices .
WHY ? Sunrise or Landrush was made when they are introduced.
But ICANN or other legal entities DO NOTHING . WHY ? BECAUSE THEY GREED
& affected you , me and most of us

It is fraud when u wait till after the money as transacted to tell them their names cant be used as real domains... Imagine if you bought a car. and after you bought it the dealer told you it doesnt drive, but instead sent you an email post purchase sorry, your car doesnt drive, but you can put it on a trailer and tow it.

 

[Rob Monster]

I appreciate the response, but all I'm asking for here is a simple clarification: are your .o and .geek part of OpenNIC, or are they separate zones/roots? This is a very important distinction.

They use a proprietary resolver.

Consider this:

.o - https://moderntld.com/registrars/
.bit - https://namecoin.org/dot-bit/
.lib - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.coin - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.emc - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.bazar - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.fur - http://www.nic.fur
.eth
.bbs - [email protected]
.chan - opennic.chan
.cyb - opennic.cyb
.dyn - be.libre
.geek - be.libre
.gopher - be.libre
.indy - be.libre
.libre - be.libre
.neo - [email protected]
.null - http://opennic.chan
.oss - be.libre
.oz - opennic.oz
.parody - be.libre
.pirate - [email protected]

From our research, 90% websites above works only with using https://wiki.opennic.org Browser Addons

As of today, the go-to plug-in has a whopping 6105 users:

It is trending up but it is insignificant.

Our free VPN does more and is also free, so why bother installing a Blockchain DNS resolver when you can use the Epik Anonymize VPN for free.

This is Wild West, Paul, and you know it. Epik is an order of magnitude more organized than most of the above listed bootstrap experiments with no revenue model and no infrastructure.

I do believe we'll have alternate DNS and will be happy to become the leading registrar for these experiments. Ultimately the demand will be directly correlated to their utility in real life.

So, we are working on:

- DNS resolvers
- WHOS services
- Viable marketplaces

If you know of someone doing more to make Alternate TLDs viable, please let me know.

 

[cipcip]

Remember about the raspberry pi and whole toki stuff promotion in this thread ?

I just found a useful article on how you can make your own tld. https://famicoman.com/2015/11/27/how-to-run-your-own-independent-dns-with-custom-tlds/

You can use a raspberry pi and host your own dns server. Maybe it is useful to someone

 

[Paul]

@Rob Monster Please clarify whether Epik's .o and OpenNIC's .o are the same zone/root or separate. I've been lumping them together, but I'm getting the impression yours are separate, and I don't want to be spreading inaccurate information.

 

[Rob Monster]

Remember about the raspberry pi and whole toki stuff promotion in this thread ?

I just found a useful article on how you can make your own tld. https://famicoman.com/2015/11/27/how-to-run-your-own-independent-dns-with-custom-tlds/

You can use a raspberry pi and host your own dns server. Maybe it is useful to someone

Good one.

There is a large amount of very good open source solutions out there that you can build on to accelerate innovation.

The Raspberry Pi, as well as many Android phones, pack a tremendous amount of processing power in a small space with low cost and low power usage. It offers a fascinating path for decentralizing the Internet.

ICYMI, we are working on a new open source repository where these types of projects can be gifted to the world. You can see it staged here:

https://uppersource.com/

 

[Paul]

It is separate.

OpenNic, like NameCoin before it, is looking like an academic experiment with no commercial champion.

If folks buy Alt domains at Epik, we'll at least make sure they resolve.

As explained above, the various ways in which they can be resolved is being expanded.

Also if someone wants to start their own Alt TLD, we provide that service.

Thanks for clarifying. That clears up quite a bit of the confusion on my end.

 

[Paul]

Do you own any of these Paul? What's your take on these?

It wouldn't be appropriate for me to offer opinions when there's no consensus. I was just looking for objective technical clarity.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Thanks for the clarifications (I learned a new term post-quantum), but shouldn't .bit, .geek, .o and perhaps others in this pricing table (link below) be listed under the Alternative TLDs tab rather than the Generic TLDs tab? Or are you using the term Alternative only for Epik alternative domain spaces? @Rob Monster

https://registrar.epik.com/prices/registration/gtld

 

[cyc]

@Shdwdrgn

With all due respect, OpenNIC looks like an academic project. Here is where we can agree, one way or another, Internet 2.0 is coming.

Here is what Epik has assembled:

- Registry platform capable of supporting any TLD
- World class and award-winning Registrar platform
- Domain Marketplaces (e.g. see NameLiquidate.com and Marketplace.epik.com)
- Content Delivery Network (BitMitigate.com)
- Denial of Service Mitigation (BitMitigate.com)
- Autonomous System (AS34962)
- IPv4 / IPv6 ranges as RIPE member
- Intermediate Root Certificate Authority (DNEncrypt.com)
- Anycast DNS
- VPN wit post-quantum encryption (Anonymize.com)


In addition:

- High availability Kubernetes hosting (CloudChase.com)
- Decentralized and ultra low cost Toki servers running on Raspberry Pi 4 devices (coming this month)

You can follow some of our other projects here:

https://www.epik.com/about/labs/

Our Alt TLDs are here:

https://registrar.epik.com/prices/registration/alt

For next TLDs introduced, we'll plan an orderly sunrise process that favors existing registrants of .com, .net, and .org, in that order, and with an emphasis on FOREVER domains, a topic I discussed here.

To avoid confusion, we'll try not to trip over OpenNIC TLDs. No promises there.

The names that we did register will continue to resolve across our network. We reserve the right to re-open those name spaces at a time of our choosing.

Best of luck to you.

Rob,

Beside of all promotion in the thread, where's the real innovation of alternate roots?

And, what OpenNIC can't do that Epik does?

Also, i and/or the other members in the thread will be glad to learn if there's an extra value added by Epik to commerce it.

Thanks.

 

[Rob Monster]

I think the essential idea of these ALT domains, is that they should be FOREVER domains. When Epik.com formally launches a systematic approach to ALT domains, it will be done as follows:

- one time forever registration
- a proper sunrise countdown
- fully manageable via API like any other supported TLD
- easily transferable between users among supporting registrars
- empowered by a growing suite of secure DNS resolvers
- enhanced with a WHOIS registry for engaging owners (e.g. WHOQ.com)

As for the title of the thread, I would change it to something like "Open discussion of Alt Domains". There should be a place for such a discussion on NP. I agree there.

 

[Business Brands]

Not viable.

 

[Peak.Domains]

What is not viable? be more specific

You're the one advertising it in big bold letters, why don't you tell us why it is?

 

[The Durfer]

music.o
news.o
dom.o
ads.o

ty

 

[jamie white]

Yes, I agree. But for me I did not purchase all of them at once. I made more than one purchase. I should have read the emails after the first purchase.

If only more people did that ^^^ Acknowledge there own mistakes. The world be a better place.
Awesome @Rammbo take not put the whole of the fault on Epik. But to take it yourself.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

[December 2nd, 2010]

https://www.techjunkie.com/how-to-get-free-opennic-domain-names/

These are the TLDs currently available through OpenNIC for free registration:

• .bbs
• .free
• .fur
• .geek
• .gopher
• .indy
• .ing
• .null
• .oss
• .micro
• .parody

If you want to see one of these in action, I registered one myself: http://rich.geek. If you have OpenNIC’s DNS servers loaded in, that site will work.

The domain [rich.geek] that the author [nik] stated he registered [quoted above], appears to be available for reg at epik; assuming it wasn't renewed?

Not sure if it was already mentioned, but what year did .o launch? I don't see it mentioned in the above mentioned 2010 TechJunkie article.

 

[jamie white]

https://registrar.epik.com/prices/registration/alt

Alt TLDs are designed to run across networks that support the Anonymize.com DNS resolver. The Anomyize.com DNS resolver can be accessed in three ways:

• 1. The free Anonymize.com VPN
• 2. The free Anonymize.com Secure DNS resolver
• 3. Through partner APIs

For more information about Alt TLDs, or to partner with us, contact us at [email protected] and we will be happy to advise.

That is Epiks price list for the VPNs. It CLEARLY states what they are.