Noob tries to Scam my domain. (His process, read it)

[rome2ng]

I receive a email on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:14 AM, from this company, TGN Technologies from some guy know as cohen@toughguy.net
Apparently, such mail was residing in my junk mail that happen to read it

Hello,

Please email a price you can accept for your domain name, u69.biz

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not
our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to
resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients
interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email
us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jacob Cohen, Ph. D.
CEO
TGN Technologies

Feeling abit weird, i replied to him,

Erm i am selling it for Euro 300 and more.

Or if not you can send your bid over at sedo.

Sincerement,
Jerome

he starts to let out his colours....

300 euro. Ok.

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificates for your domain names? As fas I know it's a common practice to show appraisal of domain name (even without traffic and web site) before doing business.

Domain reselling is an important business for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domains.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/297514.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

Appraisal thingy are stupid... scam that everyone heard of... this is now he continues... crap load of bull-sh*t

So i ask him about some other appraisal.. that are more famous and SAFER ??? haha
So i ask him...
Obviously, this is a scam... but let's play with him

my reply

Actually Godaddy Appraisal or even sedo Apprisal Service is also reputable...

I will do a appraisal for you from the either one or even your requested one if you payme up the money upfront for appraisal... this is to separate the difference between the processing and selling of my domains as i have quite some to manage

you can send the upfront payment to my paypal

Sincerement,
Jerome

his reply

Nobody from GoDaay will do a serious research for only $14. This appraisal is automated.

Sedo is a good broker. Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an
appraiser because your names are listed with them and they are not
independent. They are interested in earning 10% commission on every sale. I
need appraisals from a company which is not interested in
selling your domains.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.


I thought about several companies including Afternic.com, but found very interesting information:

http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a
recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

I also found the following information about them
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630


So Afternic.com is NOT acceptable.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They are just collecting money using their well-known names.

I heard many appraisal companies often overpriced domains. So I cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several experts recommended me Securenamesale's appraisal service -
http://www.securenamesale.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and non-expensive manual service.

... scam and scam...
and he follows up with a msg to reply my upfront payment

I have a rule: No payments upfront.

Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with
appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this rule
because it's the best way to protect an investment.

he's shitty trying not to agree with that...

*I TOO HAVE A RULE,not to let people like you go away easily...

ha...
So i followed up a msg

well, no problem then...

pls send me the link to where i can get my appraisal done. and also provide me the info for me to type in the whois.

i don't have time to go to other forum

Sincerement,
Jerome

so he's suggesting i do a appraisal at

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several experts recommended me Securenamesale's appraisal service -
http://www.securenamesale.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and non-expensive manual service.

so guys.. any idea how we can screw him or what ?

 

[Devil_Dog]

Why are you even wasting your time with this assclown?

 

[rome2ng]

cos i feel like making a fool out of him or even try smth funny.

 

[loscocco]

LOL comedy

 

[SpareDomains]

Why are you even wasting your time with this assclown?

god I love the word "assclown" use it daily :hehe:

I think it's cool your wasting your time with this scammer, takes him away from harming people who would fall for it.

 

[rome2ng]

haha,

yep.. anyway i am free while in the army not.. so i see why not doing that..

maybe i can even rip some $$$ out of him.. just like how people deal with the Nigar Scam or the Laptop scam.

 

[AdoptableDomains]

it's the classic appraisal scam. I don't think there is a way to screw with him, because his only mission is to get you to use HIS appraisal service where he gets the income or at least an affiliate payment. Best you can do is waste his time.

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-an...-appraisal-scam.html?highlight=appraisal+scam

 

[rome2ng]

maybe we can spam his email. lol. ha

any idea what to do next ? wait or reply ?

 

[sibaong]

Read : Domain Scams and How to Avoid Them

SecureNameSale.com aka EveryDayIncome.com

SecureNameSale.com (Reg. GoDaddy)
EveryDayIncome.com (Reg. Enom)
AllForDomains.com (Reg. Network Solutions)

 

[ChrisChris]

Would be fun to spam him but would probably get you into heaps of trouble with your hosting company :hehe:

 

[Ixix]

start off by asking why it is the seller has to pay for the appraisal....when it is the buyer's responsiblity to do so?

then tell him that you will do an appraisal, depending if he puts down an X% deposit down on the name...

 

[labrocca]

Why waste your time? However if you do want to mess with him start asking for his phone number and personal information so you can do a background check.

 

[kwan]

I'm waiting for him to send me an offer for one of my crappy names. So I can tell him he can have i for $20, no need for an appraisal. Then harass him for weeks asking when he's going to pay for it :cy:

 

[ginge133]

You could forge an appraisal from the appraisers he offered couldnt you? Make the appraisal for the exact amount he offered you and see what he says?

This would only work if he was an affiliate to the appraiser, wouldnt work if he owned the appraisal service.

 

[Kate]

toughguy.net E-mail addresses are well-known for being associated with these scams
If you want to be naughty report the domains used for these scams to the respective registrars so they will - hopefully - disable the domains...

 

[RJ]

You could forge an appraisal from the appraisers he offered couldnt you? Make the appraisal for the exact amount he offered you and see what he says?

This would only work if he was an affiliate to the appraiser, wouldnt work if he owned the appraisal service.

He owns the appraisal service and has zero interest in actually purchasing the name at any price.

 

[barefoot]

What's funny is that the securenamesale.com site has a page all about ..... yup, you guessed it. SCAMS.

Another thing that's funny is that the ass clown said the following:

"I need appraisals from a company which is not interested in selling your domains."

Well, as it turns out, securenamesale.com .... yup, you guessed it. SELLS DOMAINS.

 

[rome2ng]

haha...

yea.. suddenly the idea of hacking the domains , securenamesales.com seems so realistic.. haha

 

[Badger]

I can see the humour.. The only ever time (and at this point im a little disappointed) I got one of these Russian scam mails, I actually mailed them back saying i wanted $5000 (for a domain name worth way less than that). I then obviously got the standard positive reply back including the intimation that theyd need an appraisal before purchase.

Anyhow, I then had a change of heart (it seemed) and gave them a massive price reduction. Offering the domain at $5 instead of the $5000 previously mentioned (it was worth maybe $200 at best).. And these AC's still had the audacity to push for the appraisal despite the domain being on sale to them at less than half the cost of the appraisal...

 

[rome2ng]

I can see the humour.. The only ever time (and at this point im a little disappointed) I got one of these Russian scam mails, I actually mailed them back saying i wanted $5000 (for a domain name worth way less than that). I then obviously got the standard positive reply back including the intimation that theyd need an appraisal before purchase.

Anyhow, I then had a change of heart (it seemed) and gave them a massive price reduction. Offering the domain at $5 instead of the $5000 previously mentioned (it was worth maybe $200 at best).. And these AC's still had the audacity to push for the appraisal despite the domain being on sale to them at less than half the cost of the appraisal...

haha,... the appraisal is more expensive than the domain.. :lol:

yea..