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a eye / gpt has invaded the forum

you got members creating threads in general discussion, to discuss what questions do you ask gpt about registrars

if that’s what it’s come down to, then the future of conversation looks bleak.

so we need to have an AI free zone,
that means no ai generated content or images, videos, etc.

Hi

can we have an “a eye” free zone?

where no a eye content, images, etc. can be posted.

imo…

post your thoughts

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Is there a free version API "auto % AI detection script" somewhere that could be integrated with NamePros?

I mean, are these AI detection API's reliable and trustworthy?:
Maybe something that would appease everyone could be a potential AI % content bar under each post that slides from 0% to 100%, depending on the amount of ai detected. This would give the reader instant notification of what type of content they are about to engage with and can decide if they want to spend their time commenting in that particular thread or not.
  • I would think that 0% to 19% is reasonable
  • 20% to 49% is a bit excessive
  • 50% to 74% is extreme
  • and 75% to 100% is over the top and potentially just spam/post padding
Not sure how practical that is though or how much server resources it would take to do it for every post.

I don't think NamePros should ban AI content, since it also has a lot of practical uses when not abused. AI is only going to become more mainstream, so it would be counter-productive to fight it, when we should be embracing, adapting, and leveraging it to help solve more real-world (and domain industry) problems.
 
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Maybe something that would appease everyone could be a potential AI % content bar under each post that slides from 0% to 100%, depending on the amount of ai detected.
👍 That would be a nice addition
 
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I don't think NamePros should ban AI content, since it also has a lot of practical uses when not abused. AI is only going to become more mainstream, so it would be counter-productive to fight it, when we should be embracing, adapting, and leveraging it to help solve more real-world (and domain industry) problems.
The problem is the content that is clearly disruptive to actual discussion.

I could give several examples, but will refrain for now.

I don't think most people have an issue with reasonable use of AI to say help a non-native speaker make the point.

The problem is just relying on AI to make an entire post.

If anything, AI seems to make everyone think they are an expert at everything now. It's like Dunning-Kruger on steroids.

I would prefer to talk to people with actual experience, not to someone who just copied and pasted some generic response from an AI bot.

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I'd be all for that. I'm sick of hearing about AI. Never used it. Don't plan to. Ruined creative social media in my opinion.

Give me the 90s back!

I hope u are kidding

because ai does plan on using u

and it will be as unavoidable soon as your phone ...car... etc...

if u will want to remain a functioning and functional member of society then u will need ai. in one or few of its countless forms

good news is... not being part ofsociety will still be an option. since forever. and for forever
 
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I don't think NamePros should ban AI content, since it also has a lot of practical uses when not abused. AI is only going to become more mainstream, so it would be counter-productive to fight it, when we should be embracing, adapting, and leveraging it to help solve more real-world (and domain industry) problems.
I posted 2 examples in my other post. These are the responses just from those 2 threads:

The AI content is destroying linkedin, its getting annoying here too.

I liked your posts before AI better.

Please don't post AI content. People don't want to read AI content anymore.

AI guff?

Surprisingly, a 2016 member copied ChatGPT's content about strategies in domain sales negotiation, and he doesn't even know what the best negotiation strategy is for selling domains.

Dear ChatGpt,
Here are my informative and comprehensive answers to your questions:

and what’s with all the bulletin points
it’s really getting monotonous

anytime I see bullet points like that nowadays, I automatically think it’s some AI ChatGPT type stuff.

as the redundancy of the patterned language spiff, becomes so painfully obvious that it rises to the level of disgust when identified!

I wish we would stop these copy and paste AI posts. There has been an uptick here.
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Look how annoyed people are already, if you embrace it, it'll get worse. You can kill it, at least the obvious stuff.

Side note, if you guys ever see one of Elon's AI robots walking around while you're driving, punt it with your vehicle.
 
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Very well said different level of annoyance(s)


no1 saying stop using it but tone it down and would be cool to have a section where NP tackles down on such 'content'
 
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Ya talking about embracing it thats a different discussion no?

chatbox on NP was probably removed due to not being a priority to moderate it

mods got tired looking through them message logs d:
 
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How would we determine which content is AI generated vs. AI assisted vs. human? If we did find a way, the prompters could easily tell their AI to write in a different manner.

The only thing service providers can effectively do is ensure that a human is behind those AI posts, which NamePros does much better than Twitter, for example.

That, however, probably won't be possible in a year or two either once AI can solve CAPTCHAs.

I don't know the solution. Let's brainstorm.

The problem with AI content is that it is empty, it is hollow, it is not a person sharing their insight, it is not someone engaging in discussion for discussion's sake, it is just someone generating a bunch of statistically probable words. People churn out AI content because they want to benefit from being associated with a discussion without actually putting the effort in to participating in the discussion, whether that's getting their signature seen by a lot of people or their name associated with keywords for search engines.

Even for people who love AI generated content and want to engage with AI generated content, allowing AI generated content on NamePros is to their detriment: AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data + Like a snake eating its own tail: What happens when AI consumes its own data? + Degenerative AI: The Risks of Training Systems on their own Data. NamePros' decades of valuable, human-written content has been used to train these models and will continue to be used to train these models... by allowing AI generated content, these models will be harmed by posts that are passing themselves off as being human written.

A forum is a place for original thought. If someone wants to read a post from ChatGPT then they can ask ChatGPT! A person coming to a forum to ask a question is de facto declaring that they want insight from people, not generated text that they could have generated themselves in less time.

At a minimum, I'd like to see a rule that if someone uses AI to generate their content then they must declare it. I'd also like to see users have the option to automatically hide any AI generated content (e.g: a profile setting "Do not show posts that are AI generated"). Threads containing AI generated content should be excluded from search engines (removes the incentive to post AI generated content, prevents the junk from being fed back into models). If someone posts AI generated content that isn't disclosed, it's treated as any other spam.

Participation in a forum doesn't have to be altruistic, I am sure there are many very valuable NamePros members who participate because it benefits their business (e.g: visibility as an expert generates leads for their services) and that's a very fair exchange: they put the time and effort into providing high quality content for NamePros and in return get some visibility! Posting AI generated content is someone putting their middle finger up at NamePros, saying, "I want all the benefits of being visible in your forum, but I'm not going to give you anything for it".

If NamePros sees value in AI generated content and wants to have AI generated content on the forum, then there are a number of much better ways to achieve this. For example, there are services that can ingest a bunch of content (e.g: all NamePros' posts) and generate answers to questions. These services are primarily designed for customer support and developer documentation, but it would be straightforward for NamePros' to add an official NamePros bot that automatically responds to new threads with answers based on all of NamePros' previous posts. Or, you could pursue the Reddit strategy and create "NamePros Answers" as a dedicated interface for "talking to" NamePros.

Anyway, in conclusion, regardless of how you feel about AI, whether you love it or hate it, allowing users to post AI generated content is to NamePros' detriment.

How would we determine which content is AI generated vs. AI assisted vs. human?

https://notbyai.fyi/help/what-is-the-not-by-ai-90-rule

The Not By AI 90% Rule states that at least 90% of the content must be created by humans. The Not By AI 90% Rule does not apply to the use of AI for inspiration purposes, supporting legal documents (assuming that legal is not the main focus of your content or service), non-user facing content, or looking for grammatical errors and typos. This means that if you use AI for brainstorming or concepting, generate 9% of your content, and employ AI to find typos in all content, you remain in compliance with the Not By AI 90% Rule.
 
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The problem with AI content is that it is empty, it is hollow, it is not a person sharing their insight, it is not someone engaging in discussion for discussion's sake, it is just someone generating a bunch of statistically probable words. People churn out AI content because they want to benefit from being associated with a discussion without actually putting the effort in to participating in the discussion, whether that's getting their signature seen by a lot of people or their name associated with keywords for search engines.

Even for people who love AI generated content and want to engage with AI generated content, allowing AI generated content on NamePros is to their detriment: AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data + Like a snake eating its own tail: What happens when AI consumes its own data? + Degenerative AI: The Risks of Training Systems on their own Data. NamePros' decades of valuable, human-written content has been used to train these models and will continue to be used to train these models... by allowing AI generated content, these models will be harmed by posts that are passing themselves off as being human written.

A forum is a place for original thought. If someone wants to read a post from ChatGPT then they can ask ChatGPT! A person coming to a forum to ask a question is de facto declaring that they want insight from people, not generated text that they could have generated themselves in less time.

At a minimum, I'd like to see a rule that if someone uses AI to generate their content then they must declare it. I'd also like to see users have the option to automatically hide any AI generated content (e.g: a profile setting "Do not show posts that are AI generated"). Threads containing AI generated content should be excluded from search engines (removes the incentive to post AI generated content, prevents the junk from being fed back into models). If someone posts AI generated content that isn't disclosed, it's treated as any other spam.

Participation in a forum doesn't have to be altruistic, I am sure there are many very valuable NamePros members who participate because it benefits their business (e.g: visibility as an expert generates leads for their services) and that's a very fair exchange: they put the time and effort into providing high quality content for NamePros and in return get some visibility! Posting AI generated content is someone putting their middle finger up at NamePros, saying, "I want all the benefits of being visible in your forum, but I'm not going to give you anything for it".

If NamePros sees value in AI generated content and wants to have AI generated content on the forum, then there are a number of much better ways to achieve this. For example, there are services that can ingest a bunch of content (e.g: all NamePros' posts) and generate answers to questions. These services are primarily designed for customer support and developer documentation, but it would be straightforward for NamePros' to add an official NamePros bot that automatically responds to new threads with answers based on all of NamePros' previous posts. Or, you could pursue the Reddit strategy and create "NamePros Answers" as a dedicated interface for "talking to" NamePros.

Anyway, in conclusion, regardless of how you feel about AI, whether you love it or hate it, allowing users to post AI generated content is to NamePros' detriment.

its hollow cause its baby stage

when baby is born its hollow too

then it lives and experiences and it's less hollow

same will be for ai

in its own way it will also live and experience
 
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Hi

a eye / gpt has invaded the forum

you got members creating threads in general discussion, to discuss what questions do you ask gpt about registrars

if that’s what it’s come down to, then the future of conversation looks bleak.

so we need to have an AI free zone,
that means no ai generated content or images, videos, etc.



post your thoughts

imo….
I would prefer to have all the them ai-free and to create special ones where to allow ai generate content.

However, some of the ai generated ones, are well researched and interesting. I'm against quick random generated posts via ai and posted here without being read first by the "author".
 
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As someone that works a lot with AI related technologies, here are my thoughts.

1) YouTube, TikTok, IG and others, now require people uploading content to check a box if the content is AI generated. A lot of people who did not care about AI generated videos, now find it annoying because the volume of it is insane and you can't tell it's AI sometimes. Recently, the police in New Jersey went looking for monkeys on the loose because someone posted AI generated images. The social media platforms obviously do checks as well for those that didn't disclose their content is AI and can ban you.

2) Music is facing the same issue. It wasn't a problem for a while but now AI music is everywhere and done right is impossible to detect. The reason is because human singers use AI (and have been for years) to fix parts of the song so when actual quality AI is used for a complete song, you cannot tell. Spotify needed to roll out new rules and tech because of this.

3) LinkedIn is full of AI posts. Instead of having you select a box if your content is AI, they actually offer (if you are a paid member) to help AI rewrite your post. I am including a screenshot:
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LinkedIn's user experience without a doubt has been degraded by the flood of AI posts. People don't like replying to AI posts (unless they comment AI slop) and now when people suspect something is AI, they are less likely to communicate. This will happen on all platforms that offer communication. People will avoid the AI posts and mistake legitimate posts for AI and it will only degrade the overall experience.

4) The problem with automated tools checking on a forum if the text is AI or not, is the fact that some people that do not speak the default language or people that want their question to sound better, use AI to help them write it. This is now common with emails. I get emails from people I know but I can tell they wrote a few words in their email and asked AI (now built into many email clients) to write it out. It rarely helps in communication, better people stick to their own writing even if it has bad grammar and minor misspellings.

5) Not all AI content is created equal. I see posts here that I know are AI, however, I can tell the person put in manual work to correct and rewrite parts because AI didn't get something right about this industry. These posts carry value and were guided by a human within the industry and there is a real human with experience behind it. Should these not be allowed? I don't think so. Would it be good for the poster to mark it as AI? Probably. Not because they don't carry value, but because some people, old and young, don't want any AI if given the choice. So in the future, most major platforms will allow users to select in settings "hide AI content."

If someone makes a posts and the post itself is written by a human, but they used AI to help generate a graphic or video to help explain what they write, I think those are fine as long as the image or video helps in someway the reader. I think people should be responsible and tell people when something is AI.

I think we can all agree that AI bots on forums that post and reply using AI should be banned. My guess is the reason we do not see that a lot here on NP is because the mods are playing whack-a-mole all day. NP ranks very high in search and I doubt the bots aren't showing up here in droves.

I believe that the more companies and platforms push AI, the more there will be a desire to speak to an actual human for certain matters, especially, personal experiences with things, business, challenges etc.

The dedicated section on this forum for AI images I think was a great idea. It allows those interested in AI to browse and submit such content and it also can keep community members in the loop of some of the capabilities.

My general thought about AI not directly related to the OP's post:

With the release on Sora 2 and Veo 3.1, more people are waking up the dangers of AI video. OpenAI knew this. They place 3 big watermarks on videos (many remove them, and you can generate it without it using the API but only after you provide open AI with government ID). There are content creators creating rage bait videos (fake AI generated video showing something to trigger anger and comments) so they can make some money. Sometimes even with the clear tag under the video that the video is AI, a lot of people in the comments don't notice it.

AI generated text content is also full of errors. It makes up a lot of things (this is known as AI hallucinations). Recently a lawyer was fined for using AI in a case that actually made up caselaw.

And if you think AI generated text, images and videos are creating a mess, just wait for the mess being generated by the "vibe coded" websites and apps. When a developer with experience uses AI to generate code and they review it, usually it results in getting things done faster. Not always though, but if the developer limits and controls what exactly he needs, it can be good. However, for anyone not reviewing the code, especially people with no experience, they are risking the security of their users. Obviously, for a static website with just some text and images, this is not a big issue. However, for sites with forms, ordering systems, admin dashboards or API's that connect to different services, this will turn out to be a big disaster. These vibe coded sites will make WordPress look secure.

I think within the next 12 months the negative effects on the job market due to AI will become undeniable. First it is hitting a lot of people that made some money from blogs, freelancing and researchers. Next it will hit people with full time jobs. The jobs AI will create will not be nearly enough to make up for the job losses.

People that are quick to tell others to "embrace AI" probably didn't experience enough of it.

For now, there is a race between global AI companies (US and Chinese based companies mostly). No consideration at all is given to the negative side of this race.
 
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I liked your posts before AI better.

Please don't post AI content. People don't want to read AI content anymore.
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and what’s with all the bulletin points
it’s really getting monotonous

anytime I see bullet points like that nowadays, I automatically think it’s some AI ChatGPT type stuff.
For what it's worth, i didn't use any AI in the following comment (Quoted below), I just like using bullet points, H2 titles and bold in most my articles and posts to help organize it. If there was no separation or organization, a post just runs on forever and becomes hard to follow with no content breaks in it.

Most people, when reading, need that separation and organization so they can not only digest the information easier, but circle back to it to reference quicker, without a magnifying glass or having to use the word search feature in their browser to find it.

Unfortunately, bullet-points is a false positive in identifying AI usage since 99.9% of journalists, authors and bloggers use them daily.
Is there a free version API "auto % AI detection script" somewhere that could be integrated with NamePros?

I mean, are these AI detection API's reliable and trustworthy?:
Maybe something that would appease everyone could be a potential AI % content bar under each post that slides from 0% to 100%, depending on the amount of ai detected. This would give the reader instant notification of what type of content they are about to engage with and can decide if they want to spend their time commenting in that particular thread or not.
  • I would think that 0% to 19% is reasonable
  • 20% to 49% is a bit excessive
  • 50% to 74% is extreme
  • and 75% to 100% is over the top and potentially just spam/post padding
Not sure how practical that is though or how much server resources it would take to do it for every post.

I don't think NamePros should ban AI content, since it also has a lot of practical uses when not abused. AI is only going to become more mainstream, so it would be counter-productive to fight it, when we should be embracing, adapting, and leveraging it to help solve more real-world (and domain industry) problems.
^100% human authored and researched (Old school google search for the API's) ;)
 
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For what it's worth, i didn't use any AI in the following comment (Quoted below), I just like using bullet points, H2 titles and bold in most my articles and posts to help organize it. If there was no separation or organization, a post just runs on forever and becomes hard to follow with no content breaks in it.

Most people, when reading, need that separation and organization so they can not only digest the information easier, but circle back to it to reference quicker, without a magnifying glass or having to use the word search feature in their browser to find it.

Unfortunately, bullet-points is a false positive in identifying AI usage since 99.9% of journalists, authors and bloggers use them daily.

^100% human authored and researched (Old school google search for the API's) ;)
Exactly, that makes difficult to distinguish between a fully ai slop generated text and a text which is corrected, reviewed or enhanced using ai.

But we as humans, should judge the value of a text and reward only the valuable one.
 
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Is there a free version API "auto % AI detection script" somewhere that could be integrated with NamePros?

I mean, are these AI detection API's reliable and trustworthy?:
Maybe something that would appease everyone could be a potential AI % content bar under each post that slides from 0% to 100%, depending on the amount of ai detected. This would give the reader instant notification of what type of content they are about to engage with and can decide if they want to spend their time commenting in that particular thread or not.
  • I would think that 0% to 19% is reasonable
  • 20% to 49% is a bit excessive
  • 50% to 74% is extreme
  • and 75% to 100% is over the top and potentially just spam/post padding
Not sure how practical that is though or how much server resources it would take to do it for every post.

I don't think NamePros should ban AI content, since it also has a lot of practical uses when not abused. AI is only going to become more mainstream, so it would be counter-productive to fight it, when we should be embracing, adapting, and leveraging it to help solve more real-world (and domain industry) problems.
An AI-detection tool might help in one area but can do more harm than good down the road. Especially where false positives come in. Certain folks have said @MAINNET threads and comments are AI-generated when that’s simply not true. There are writers who are formal and structured in their responses which could make them a target of half-baked AI-detection. It all comes down to the NamePros team figuring out what they do, or don’t, want the forum to become. They can embrace the future or stay anchored in the past.

There’s no hate speech, explicit images or derogatory content being posted using AI - so it’s not really an issue. We have to be honest about the fact some folks simply aren’t fans of AI in general. This will ultimately seed attempts to suppress its use under the guise of keeping dialogue “human”. However, we have to ask whether the human content is getting better or not. It would be nice if NamePros can take a balanced approach to this matter - but if we’re keeping with the ways of 90s chatrooms, we could end up bidding farewell after so long.

Let’s keep that from happening by being progressive in how the platform adapts to AI-use not just here, but everywhere.
 
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The problem is the content that is clearly disruptive to actual discussion.

I could give several examples, but will refrain for now.

I don't think most people have an issue with reasonable use of AI to say help a non-native speaker make the point.

The problem is just relying on AI to make an entire post.

If anything, AI seems to make everyone think they are an expert at everything now. It's like Dunning-Kruger on steroids.

I would prefer to talk to people with actual experience, not to someone who just copied and pasted some generic response from an AI bot.

Brad
The biggest issue is figuring out who actually decides what constitutes a “disruptive” use of AI. Is it the platform, users and/or “reputable” contributors with seniority? It’s really as simple as the individual not reading what doesn’t appeal to them. The same way folks pass up literature in bookstores they don’t prefer to read, the same can be done in this forum.

NamePros has to get this right - or else this forum runs the risk of being the sandbox for old-guard dialogue. It’s fair to say that wouldn’t be sustainable with all the other means of engagement that are surfacing. Choice engagement is key here - along with understanding the times we’re approaching.
 
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However, we have to ask whether the human content is getting better or not. It would be nice if NamePros can take a balanced approach to this matter - but if we’re keeping with the ways of 90s chatrooms, we could end up bidding farewell after so long.

Let’s keep that from happening by being progressive in how the platform adapts to AI-use not just here, but everywhere.
"we have to ask whether the human content is getting better or not"

whoa now, really read what you posted.

If you read the comments that I copy and pasted from just 2 threads, if you allow this forum to be flooded with AI content, then you will be bidding farewell. It's pretty clear people are not liking it. We can poll it if you want. We're at the beginning and there is already a backlash. Even on social media like Instagram. There are some obvious AI ones that people seem to be ok with, like the Mr. Rogers doing deez nuts jokes with Tupac. Then there are others where it's hard to tell if it's real or not, people are not liking that.

Stuff that Corey posted with logos, nothing wrong with that. It's more for general conversation.
 
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The biggest issue is figuring out who actually decides what constitutes a “disruptive” use of AI. Is it the platform, users and/or “reputable” contributors with seniority? It’s really as simple as the individual not reading what doesn’t appeal to them. The same way folks pass up literature in bookstores they don’t prefer to read, the same can be done in this forum.

NamePros has to get this right - or else this forum runs the risk of being the sandbox for old-guard dialogue. It’s fair to say that wouldn’t be sustainable with all the other means of engagement that are surfacing. Choice engagement is key here - along with understanding the times we’re approaching.
Thank you for your thoughtful input on this matter. You raise a critical point about the challenge of defining "disruptive" AI use and who should have the authority to make that determination. I agree that fostering an environment where users can freely choose content that resonates with them, much like browsing a bookstore, is essential for maintaining an open and dynamic platform.

NamePros is committed to striking a balance that encourages diverse dialogue while ensuring the forum remains a constructive space for all members. We recognize the importance of adapting to emerging trends and engagement methods to stay relevant and inclusive. Your perspective is valuable, and we’ll consider it carefully as we refine our approach to AI integration and community guidelines. Thank you for contributing to this important discussion.

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Do you want a forum with replies like that? Where people take posts and ask AI for a reply. Becoming less human, genuine, organic. That will kill a forum. If you want to use AI for general conversation, might as well cut out the middle man, NamePros, and go direct to your favorite AI site. Why discuss anything here.
 
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