.tv New to .TV domains - Question for the pros

[gilescoley]

Question on .TV domains??

Just curious what you all think of regging one word .TV domains. The words are not neccessary directly related to TV/Media/Film/Movies etc but are just short to medium one worders

examples would be the following

Trigger.tv
Happened.tv
Motive.tv
Organizer.tv
Stared.tv
Occasion.tv
Simple.tv


Any comments on this?

I own 1 .TV, any comments on it

ActionPacked.TV

 

[smashfactory]

snoop is right in saying that it is not a new extension, and it was marketed as such when it came out- that is why he keeps falling back on that- he does have that gem in his pocket- yes, that is a fact, on paper, in blood.

so, just to be clear- is everybody listening---
.tv came out in 1996- it is not a new extension.

ok, i think we are all on the same page here.

michaeldotcom is correct in saying it stood for something that the internet was not ready for yet. in no way shape or form was the web up to speed to represent online video and tv- THIS part only happened as of recently in the timeline.

as .tv gains ground, you can bet one out of two people think it is a new extension, because it had no real cause till now. videos.com been owned since 98- and meant nothing then- nada. it wasnt until 2005 that videos online meant anything at all- any online quicktime or windows media was poor quality, cumbersome, and the connection issue made it more of irritating experience, and not a popular one-

it wasnt until 2005 when adobe aquired macromedia and pushed the flash video player into the limelight, that any sort of user friendly online video began to really emerge.

so, when .tv came out, being represented as it was- it was an extension out before its time- and now the internet is catching up.

 

[TheBulldog]

Just a side note, I like the pro extension, just the costs are way to high. I think it has serious potential with things like homebuilder.pro or something like that being set up as a directory.

But the limitations set by the registrar controlling the extension and the high price point and confusion about 2nd tier pricing makes it hard to swallow for small developers let alone domainers.

Now, let's get back to tv. At least it isn't controlled by a registrar who has silly pricing issues.......erm. (((((((((((OK, I had to take that potshot, it was practically begging for it)))))))))))

I to believe tv will stand up and be noticed by the masses, but I am not foolish enough to believe it will be because of domainers. It will be because of developed tv domains.

 

[jeffoverman]

wow...everyone is in here lol

parts look intense boys and girls...lol

will read this on my blackberry shortly...need to run out soon....

in the meantime behave, lol

 

[michaeldotcom]

it stood for something that the internet was not ready for yet. in no way shape or form was the web up to speed to represent online video and tv- THIS part only happened as of recently in the timeline.

Exactly.

Technologies have changed a lot over the past decade and they're now ready for online video, which wasn't the case before.

But there's something else that should be noticed. Back in the mid 90s, many businesses (even big ones) didn't have a website yet or were just starting to develop one. Many of them didn't have an online marketing strategy at first, their websites were very basic. And that was just 10-15 years ago.

Now many of these big businesses (and lots of smaller ones) have fully developed websites with lots of content. Many of these sites use the .com extension. But as their online marketing strategy has become more precise, they've also often developed regional sites using ccTLDs (.co.uk, .de, etc).

Now with the success of online video, lots of these companies include video as a big part of their online marketing strategies. That's why we see more and more of them developing .tv sites (audi.tv, mercedes-benz.tv, etc)

You'll notice that they rarely develop websites on any other extension than .com, major ccTLDs and now .tv. That says a lot.

 

[snoop]

spain.info is IMHO a much better domain than spanishtouristinformation.com
boston.tv is IMHO a much better domain than thebostontvchannel.com

This is a classic new tld argument, take the absolute best name you can think of in a new tld like spain.info or boston.tv, then argue that this is a likely better option for someone as compared to the absolute worst .com imaginable, eg a name that isn't even registered like thebostontvchannel.com or stuff that is worth 1/2 figures like spanishtouristinformation.com.

 

[michaeldotcom]

You really think these are good comparisons?, spain.info a likely choice instead of spanishtouristinformation.com? I think you are comparing 4/5 figures names with 2 figures names. spain.info would be comparable two a reasonably strong 2 word .com price wise.

Well in real life things aren't as easy as you seem to think.

You're talking about "reasonably strong 2-word .com" domains. Sure, but let's look for reasonably strong 2-word com alternatives to spain.info

spanishtravel.com ? That's not bad, but it's a Sedo parking page and the name isn't for sale on Sedo. Maybe the owner wants to develop it, or wants to hold it while enjoying its parking revenue (which shouldn't be bad as Spain is one of the world's top tourist destinations).

spanishtourism.com and spaintravel.com are both developed.

spaintourism.com is taken but neither developed nor parked. Maybe it's currently being developed.

It would have been difficult if not impossible to buy any of these "reasonably strong 2-word .com" domains. So the only alternative for them was to look for a less memorable average-quality 2-word .com or even a 3-word .com like the one I suggested.

All these domains are very confusing, too similar to each other (spaintravel, spanishtravel, spaintourism, etc.) and not that memorable for users because of this possible confusion.

That's why they chose to go another route and not to take a .com domain. Spain is their country name in English, .info implies that it's an informational site. Can't get much easier or more memorable if you want to develop an informational site in English about Spain.

The only .com domain that could possibly be better than spain.info would have been spain.com but this one is obviously taken, it doesn't seem to be for sale and it would cost many millions anyway.

So that's actually a good example to show that .com isn't necessarily always the king of the world as many domainers think.

 

[snoop]

It would have been difficult if not impossible to buy any of these "reasonably strong 2-word .com" domains. So the only alternative for them was to look for a less memorable average-quality 2-word .com or even a 3-word .com like the one I suggested.

All these domains are very confusing, too similar to each other (spaintravel, spanishtravel, spaintourism, etc.) and not that memorable for users because of this possible confusion.

The names you are trying to compare are simply not comparable. They are at completely different ends of the valuation spectrum, and it is pointless to say suggest something like spanishtouristinformation.com would have been a likely alternative.

 

[michaeldotcom]

The names you are trying to compare are simply not comparable. They are at completely different ends of the valuation spectrum, and it is pointless to say suggest something like spanishtouristinformation.com would have been a likely alternative.

So could you please try and suggest an excellent alternative to spain.info that would be a "reasonably strong 2-word .com domain" and that would be currently available on Sedo (for example) at a similar price (you were talking about a 4-5 figure amount) ?

I guess you'll struggle to find one and that it won't be nearly as short and memorable as spain.info.

 

[snoop]

So could you please try and suggest an excellent alternative to spain.info that would be a "reasonably strong 2-word .com domain" and that would be currently available on Sedo (for example) at a similar price (you were talking about a 4-5 figure amount) ?

I guess you'll struggle to find one and that it won't be nearly as short and memorable as spain.info.

What would be the point of me wasting time looking for names for sale on Sedo?, spain.info likely isn't listed for sale either, and when it was sold it probably was probably bought by contacting the owner via whois which is how endusers generally buy names.

Even if I did spend hours trawling through Sedo to find names I am 100% certain that your next argument would be that it is not as good as spain.info regardless of the name.

 

[michaeldotcom]

What would be the point of me wasting time looking for names for sale on Sedo?

Well, to prove your point.

The truth is that it's extremely difficult nowadays for businesses, organizations and individuals to find short, strong, memorable and meaningful one and two-word .com domains, as most of them are either developed or completely out of reach. In many cases, owners of top .com domains want to develop or hold their best domains for the long term and/or would only sell them for extremely high amounts.

What does that mean ? In very practical cases, very strong .tv or .info domains (generics, geos, etc) are much better for a certain number of endusers (if they fit the extension brilliantly as it is the case with spain.info or boston.tv) than alternative .com domains which are either already developed by others or completely out of reach financially.

It's just about common sense really.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Only in the most biased speculators eyes is .tv the "hottest and fastest growing extension".

Only in the most biased speculators eyes is .tv NOT the hottest and fastest growing extension.

 

[snoop]

Well, to prove your point.

The truth is that it's extremely difficult nowadays for businesses, organizations and individuals to find short, strong, memorable and meaningful one and two-word .com domains, as most of them are either developed or completely out of reach. In many cases, owners of top .com domains want to develop or hold their best domains for the long term and/or would only sell them for extremely high amounts.

What does that mean ? In very practical cases, .tv or .info domains are much better for a certain number of endusers (if they fit the extension brilliantly as it is the case with spain.info or boston.tv) than alternative .com domains which are either already developed by others or completely out of reach financially.

It's just about common sense really.

Not really, you choose your dozen or so best options given your budget and start emailing the owners, you keep thinking up alternates until you buy something. People often overprice names in all extensions, it is not realistic to argue reasonable quality two word .com's are out of reach whereas for the same company spain.info would be within reach.

Here is a good example of a fairly good spain domain at an affordable price, ispain.com for $2300, it was 18 mths ago, but you get the point, personally I would use a name like that for development before using spain.info


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[michaeldotcom]

Here is a good example of a fairly good spain domain at an affordable price, ispain.com for $2300, it was 18 mths ago, but you get the point, personally I would use a name like that for development before using spain.info




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Thanks for this example. I knew you would be looking for it.

So let's study this domain ispain.com. Is "ispain" a geo ? a generic ? a dictionary word ? No it's not. In itself this word doesn't exist. It's actually the geo "spain" with the prefix "i". So it would be considered as a "brandable".

Brandable names are used on the Internet, ispain.com isn't a bad one, its price is still ok. But it would require a lot of work and money to market it, to promote it. I mean it's not just any old site we're talking about. It's THE major tourist site about Spain in English, so they want it to get as many visitors and type-in traffic as possible.

Let's say they used ispain.com and tried to promote it with a big budget. They would use billboards in London, in New York, etc. You can be sure that many people who would have seen these billboards would have remembered spain.com instead of ispain.com. This means an awful lot of lost traffic, which is a major problem as they would have spent millions in advertising budget.

What's great about one-word generics and geos is that they are much easier to brand, to promote, to advertize. The risk of lost traffic is very small compared to other domains. "Spain" and "info" are two common words that everybody knows, which means they're easier to remember. Same with "Boston" and "TV". Easy to remember means more visitors, more often, and less lost traffic.

I'm sorry but ispain.com is much less unique, much less memorable, much less instantly brandable. And it can and will be confused easily with spain.com, espain.com etc.

 

[snoop]

The risk of lost traffic is very small compared to other domains.

.info (and pretty much all the new extensions) have very large traffic loss issues to do with the extension not being widely known & being an alternate as opposed to the most obvious, that issue has been discussed to death on the forums for years so I won't argue with you about it other than to say it is a major issue.

 

[virtuali]

2 Points Michael..

 

[michaeldotcom]

.info (and pretty much all the new extensions) have very large traffic loss issues to do with the extension not being widely known & being an alternate as opposed to the most obvious, that issue has been discussed to death on the forums for years so I won't argue with you about it other than to say it is a major issue.

Let's face it. As soon as you develop a website, any website, you'll have to deal with the risk of lost traffic. Even the best known .com websites in the world (google.com, microsoft.com, yahoo.com, etc.) have some lost traffic due to typos.

The .com extension is the best known by average users because it's been there since the beginning. So the best way to choose a domain with minimum risk of lost traffic would be a pure geo or pure generic one-word .com domain. Unfortunately those are by far the most expensive ones (business.com, pizza.com, korea.com, etc.).

Now if those pure geo/generic .com domains are taken/developed or out of reach financially, you'll have to choose an alternative and deal with much more lost traffic, and you'll probably have much less type-in traffic too.

For major websites developed by major businesses/organizations, this means more need to promotion, marketing and advertising.

Pure generics and pure geos have some instant brandability that other domains simply don't have and won't ever have. That's why their prices are currently going up in all meaningful extensions despite the economic slowdown.

As average Internet users get more and more aware of these meaningful extensions like .tv and .info, as they use more and more .tv and .info sites on a daily basis, these pure geos/generics with .tv/.info extensions will keep getting more and more type-in traffic, less and less lost traffic and their prices will keep rising accordingly.

The gap between great generics/geos with the .tv or .info extension and confusing .com "brandables" will only keep getting wider and wider.

 

[domaning]

am i right? .tv is going to be next great extension after .comm

people moved from radio to tv, now want to watch tv on the computers.

I only own two .tvs which is costing me about 1500 in renewals, but going to uploads those channel and will earn about 1000 easy just developing those domains with uploading a script.
But one thing I must say, dont park your great .tv names, as it can get in trouble by third partym remember it is going to be great market, people I think who are missin on are in the same sitution when they missed .coms, but buy .tv domains that is very relevant to Television, will put you up.

I can see people are moving to .tv extensions, it is going to be bigger preety soon, like i said Only Relevant names to .tv will be king of .tv, I do not care, it is costing me 1500 per year, but I know once my sites will be up, it will be earning atleast 1500 per year, so I am far better off paying 1500 and keeping them for 5 to 6 years, and then i will come back to this thread, and remember my this day.

My names are very relevant to .tv names, and getting type ins, and traffics as well, but I am not parking them, beause I dont want people then telling me I have reigstered in bad faith, because I did not, the reason is I am going to develop it.

If someone has names that are getting type in, people develop them up, dont park them, develop them it will only cost about 50 if you fetch someone from foregn countires, they will upload the script for you like video sharing kind of websites.

People are sitting right now, like sextv.tv lovetv.tv businesstv.tv, or like @ Equity

These people are siting on millions in the coming days.

Good luck, one again iam talking about those names that are relevant to .tvs and very matches the names with Television not something like just regualr names

So good luck to all investors, including myself.

develop them if u getting type ins.

I have two , and i feel great.

So

 

[freedom30]

And a Huckleberry Hooooounddawg howdy to you, Snoop!