New gTLD Domain Extensions!

[TOXX]

Hi Guys,

Can't really seem to find good analysis of how the new domain extensions (.guru, .photography, .clothing, etc.) are impacting domain sales, namely .COM?
I'm really interested in this, so any good opinions?
It seems as if .COM is actually getting MORE popular imho :tu:

Thanks!

 

[JB Lions]

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I love gems, and diamonds are nice

But I also adore champagne

Put them together and ....

Voila!

Champagne.diamonds!

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You can get that now for reg fee in .us, info, .co etc

 

[Ms Domainer]

You can get that now for reg fee in .us, info, .co etc

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Yes, I know.

I like the term as a standalone.

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[hawkeye]

Went thru this already with mjnels. If I asked you which are the best extensions in order, it would probably be the ones with the most regs usually. Or if I asked which ones are getting the biggest sales, same thing. More regs means higher chance of development, the greater chance the public becomes familiar with them, which can only help the price..

Exactly the problem. Domainers only are seeing these extensions thru their "How much can we sell them for?", business as usual eyes. Which is fine from a domainer pov. But, again, that is not the intent for releasing them! It's basically doing with domains what was intended originally, which is .com is for commercial, .net for network, .org for organization, etc. but that intent never was followed thru on and basically went out the window. If one uses .equipment as in casino.equipment, pretty good bet there won't be a gambling site on it. But as for Casino.org, are we actually expecting to find an 'organization of casinos'? The shift is now on the tld, not on the sld for content expectation.

"These are built for endusers"

When you posted that, did you post that with a straight face?

Yup. See above.

These are built for domainers to buy to make the registries/registrars money. Endusers aren't going to see any good keywords with these extensions, some domainer will have it parked asking too much.

A few years of $40 to $250+ a year, especially with multiple domain regs, will cut that program out quickly.

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I love gems, and diamonds are nice

But I also adore champagne

Put them together and ....

Voila!

Champagne.diamonds!

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Nice one. (Berkins got Yellow.)

I'll scratch that off my note pad now.

 

[JB Lions]

"But, again, that is not the intent for releasing them!"

We disagree on that. It's for domainers. Like I said, if they wanted endusers to have them, they can take steps so that happens. These already low numbers would be even lower without domainers.

"The shift is now on the tld, not on the sld for content expectation. "

It's actually on both sides with these new extensions, .com being neutral, just one side.

"A few years of $40 to $250+ a year, especially with multiple domain regs, will cut that program out quickly."

With those prices in mind, they can just get a .com and pay $8 a year renewal. Long term, it'll be a cheaper and on an extension people are going to be familiar with. Also, you have to take into account marketing dollars. You have to get people to remember 2 sides of the . now. .com is very easy, so ingrained that with logos, they don't even need to put the extension. Again, when you look at it long term, .com would be cheaper with less confusion, basically it just makes more sense.

 

[DnEbook]

I have had a few on the 'wishlist' but will not pay $249 a year for the sake of it, i am only interested in participating within my budget and will assess my .coms to see how much room i have, am i the only one who would want free.music ??

 

[hawkeye]

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With those prices in mind, they can just get a .com and pay $8 a year renewal. Long term, it'll be a cheaper and on an extension people are going to be familiar with.

Why do you think domain prices aren't $8 everywhere, like enom, NetSol, Register etc.? Businesses/entrepreneurs don't care if it's $40 or more a year for a name or two, they pay thousands a month just to lease or rent office space. Or work outta their homes to save those thousands a month. A 'small' cost of doing business. The ones concerned about prices at $8 a name, are domainers who own hundreds and thousands of names. And they still complain about the $8 being too high! Domainers who look at these extensions with only 'domainer glasses', are blinded to seeing the overall bigger picture of them.

 

[DnEbook]

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I love gems, and diamonds are nice

But I also adore champagne

Put them together and ....

Voila!

Champagne.diamonds!

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what registry are you using i wonder
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At enom you can reg fake.diamonds for only $370 ……crazy

 

[JB Lions]

Why do you think domain prices aren't $8 everywhere, like enom, NetSol, Register etc.? Businesses/entrepreneurs don't care if it's $40 or more a year for a name or two, they pay thousands a month just to lease or rent office space. Or work outta their homes to save those thousands a month. A 'small' cost of doing business. The ones concerned about prices at $8 a name, are domainers who own hundreds and thousands of names. And they still complain about the $8 being too high! Domainers who look at these extensions with only 'domainer glasses', are blinded to seeing the overall bigger picture of them.

Do you realize you're making an argument for getting a .com? You're talking about businesses spending thousands a month for office space but they won't pay that one time for a .com? They would rather pay reg fee for an untested extension? Confuse people with an extension they've never seen before? Tell me the benefit of that to a new business. And remember any name they get, like champagne.diamonds, there will probably be a champagnediamonds.com. If those type of names aren't reg already, .com folk will snap them up if they're reg in any of the new ones. Every one will have a .com counterpart.

 

[DnEbook]

I think in all walks of life there is constant change
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I'm putting the kettle on …….it's gonna be a long one LOL
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No confusion here, if a saw www.free.beer i will remember it and i will have a look and if there is something i like i will return, …. simple

 

[hawkeye]

Do you realize you're making an argument for getting a .com? You're talking about businesses spending thousands a month for office space but they won't pay that one time for a .com? They would rather pay reg fee for an untested extension? Confuse people with an extension they've never seen before? Tell me the benefit of that to a new business.

Domainer Glasses! Why do domainers think that if someone buys a domain in another extension that they have to stop using their .com or have to rebuild their website and brand on this new extension? They can accent, brand and market themselves with them, and have them redirect to their site or build additional related ones on them.

And remember any name they get, like champagne.diamonds, there will probably be a champagnediamonds.com.

So? There'll probably be a champagnediamonds on .co, net, .info, .de, . biz, etc. What's that got to do with the cold weather in the deep south?

 

[JB Lions]

Domainer Glasses! Why do domainers think that if someone buys a domain in another extension that they have to stop using their .com or have to rebuild their website and brand on this new extension? They can accent, brand and market themselves with them, and have them redirect to their site or build additional related ones on them. So? There'll probably be a champagnediamonds on .co, net, .info, .de, . biz, etc. What's that got to do with the cold weather in the deep south?

What in the world are you talking about? I didn't say anything you just posted. Where did I say anything about somebody not using a .com? These new extensions are either for domainers or NEW business. If any business has a .com, of course they're not going to go with another extension, except a few really stupid ones out there I've seen some blog posts on. A new business, if they have thousands a month to spend on office space, can pay for a .com.

Since they're geared towards new business, does it make sense to you:

A) pay reg fee or more and start a business on a new extension

or

B) pay reg fee - few thousand for a .com

Please explain how A makes more sense. Knowing the public is already familiar with .com. Knowing there will be confusion, some traffic leakage, possible lost customers etc on a new extension. Are those problems worth the money you think a business will save trying to build on a new extension? I've yet to see one person give me a good reason for Option A.

 

[DU]

Please explain how A makes more sense. Knowing the public is already familiar with .com. Knowing there will be confusion, some traffic leakage, possible lost customers etc on a new extension. Are those problems worth the money you think a business will save trying to build on a new extension? I've yet to see one person give me a good reason for Option A.

Ask the companies that use Facebook to advertise... or twitter hashtags. Could be that the new TLDs are additional components. I don't see why a Kforce or Powergen wouldn't see some benefit to having a .contractor?

Opening an office in another town doesn't mean you shut down your headquarters.

I wish you'd at least acknowledge ccTLDs some times - there are thousands of successful businesses not on a .com

 

[JB Lions]

Ask the companies that use Facebook to advertise... or twitter hashtags. Could be that the new TLDs are additional components. I don't see why a Kforce or Powergen wouldn't see some benefit to having a .contractor?

Opening an office in another town doesn't mean you shut down your headquarters.

I wish you'd at least acknowledge ccTLDs some times - there are thousands of successful businesses not on a .com

Talking about new business, who these are geared for. The ones you mentioned already have their .com, they don't need some second rate extensions. I've seen some companies get them but they're usually just forwarded to the .com.

A or B. Pick.

 

[hawkeye]

Please explain how A makes more sense. Knowing the public is already familiar with .com. Knowing there will be confusion, some traffic leakage, possible lost customers etc on a new extension. Are those problems worth the money you think a business will save trying to build on a new extension?

Do you have or sell domains in other extensions other than .com? If so, you have your answer.

I've yet to see one person give me a good reason for Option A.

You'll see what you want to see. Hasn't this same question (A) been bothering you also, with startups buying names on .io, .co, .me etc? Or just for these new gTLDs?

You see things as they were, I see things as they'll probably be!

 

[JB Lions]

Do you have or sell domains in other extensions other than .com? If so, you have your answer.

You'll see what you want to see. Hasn't this same question (A) been bothering you also, with startups buying names on .io, .co, .me etc? Or just for these new gTLDs?

You see things as they were, I see things as they'll probably be!

"Do you have or sell domains in other extensions other than .com?"

Yes, usually to other domainers. For the past year+ I only look at .com.

I didn't say they don't buy them, I was asking which one makes more sense. You skipped answering that question. A or B.

 

[hawkeye]

You avoided answering. A or B.

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And you avoided my query on A. Deuce!

 

[JB Lions]

I actually did answer it:

"I didn't say they don't buy them, I was asking which one makes more sense."

Of course, I can't tell you any .io sites, one you mentioned. You think that was smart, building on an .io? Which .io sites do you use?

 

[hawkeye]

I actually did answer it:

If you say so, but I've never seen you complain that it's not good to start a biz on those extensions I noted.

Of course, I can't tell you any .io sites, one you mentioned. You think that was smart, building on an .io?

Doesn't matter what I think. I'm not the one who built a site on a .io. And they didn't ask for my opinion on their business plans.

 

[DU]

Since they're geared towards new business, does it make sense to you:

A) pay reg fee or more and start a business on a new extension

or

B) pay reg fee - few thousand for a .com

Yes and Yes, B being preferable under most circumstances.

It's not much of a discussion though is it when you provide two incredibly narrow choices on an even narrower premise.

Congratulations, I answered just as you expected!

 

[JB Lions]

If you say so, but I've never seen you complain that it's not good to start a biz on those extensions I noted.

I never felt it was smart. Now I have dipped my toes in .me and .us, (literally a handful in a few others) and both have been profitable for me, but like I said, I don't even look at anything nowadays besides .com. I tried starting a site in .us and couldn't go on just because I felt it was limited, felt like I was wasting my time. But at least those 2 had some demand, 700,000 and 1.8 million. These new ones won't get anywhere near that. Forget what people post, just look at the numbers. Like the example I gave, .name is beating half of them in new regs. I know these are niche and limited but more than .name? .name is horrible, I even think these new ones are better than .name. These are new, fresh, those numbers are horrible.

So as a domainer, I don't want to invest in low demand extensions, just doesn't make sense to me. I already see people putting them up for a few hundred and we're just getting started.

As somebody who makes sites, I only do that in .com.

It's not much of a discussion though is it when you provide two incredibly narrow choices on an even narrower premise.

It's the choice that's out there. I could throw in country codes but if you were in Germany, I would go with .de over these new ones, especially since the ones out so far are all English words. So I think country codes are better as well. Most of these just look like domain hacks to me, I was never into that. I know some people are and some people have made some money with them. Just not for me.