My NameSilo .COM's Get Indexed In Search Engines???

[DomainAuction]

Hi Name Pros,

I've been using NameSilo for a majority of my domain registrations but recently I noticed a HUGE inconvenience they have caused for me and several investors when simply doing a Google search for the brand that I am developing...

The name of my upcoming brand uses a .COM domain and we are based in the United Stated with upcoming expansions in Mexico, Canada, and several other countries in South America. Our expansions were to be kept confidential until date-of-launch but thanks to NameSilo that was impossible ...

Once confirming our expansions; we wanted to obtain all possibilities (and typo's) of our brand name in ccTLD's and additional .COM's so we purchased the ccTLD's for the brand (E.g., *.mx, *.ca, etc) from other registrars since NameSilo currently does not offer such extensions but also purchased .COM's such as TheBrandsNameMexico.com, TheBrandsNameMX.com from NameSilo ...

One week after purchasing those additional .COM's from NameSilo we noticed them listed on Google (several times, and from different aggregated resources / URL's) when simply Googling the brands name ...

Pretty much all .COM's registered from NameSilo such as TheBrandsNameMexico.com have somehow appeared in Google Search results when simply searching for the brand. Let me be clear, literally ALL domains including the main/root .COM domain we will be using for the brand are 100% untouched. We simply just registered them and left them as-is until it is time for launch.

#1 - All of my NameSilo purchases have their Privacy enabled prior checkout

#2 - Our competition now knows that we are expanding into Mexico, Canada, and the South American countries because of this (... and my investors were PISSED)

How can a completely untouched domain registration be scraped so easily? Do all newly registered domains simply go into some sort of public database? If not, is NameSilo somehow selling my info?

Whatever the case is; they must fix this. Who knows what other information is floating around the web when it SHOULD NOT be (...especially if privacy is enabled and/or paid for)

 

[Kuffy]

probably i should create an account on namesilo..
good support i am really surprised

It's not just the support. Name Silo is the registrar for domain name investors. They have got so many extras like market sites, landing pages, free privacy, Bitcoin payments, portfolio management software two level authentication, and loads of other features that you would expect, but can't get elsewhere.

 

[anantj]

Isn't a non-resolving doman name grounds for cancellation? I thought that was why two name servers were required.

I don't believe so. Domain names can be used purely as e-mail domains which require only mx records and do not require nameservers. So, afaik, naked domains are not grounds for cancellation

 

[Kuffy]

I don't believe so. Domain names can be used purely as e-mail domains which require only mx records and do not require nameservers. So, afaik, naked domains are not grounds for cancellation

I've never tried to do that. It might be worth it for some of my@tails. The base names are rubbish with premium keywords like "mpshire".

 

[anantj]

mpshire

Why is this a premium keyword (not sure if you are being sarcastic)

 

[Kuffy]

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.

Actually I like the name - I live in Hampshire, and if you put "h@" in front of the name it creates interest when mailing the local council. It's a bit of a quirky use, so it probably hasn't got much value as a domain name.

 

[Acroplex]

Nameservers are not mandatory. You can register a domain with WHOIS protection that does not "exist" in the zone files. The downside is, you can't use it

 

[Jv1999]

probably i should create an account on namesilo..
good support i am really surprised

You should definitely do it for now, because they have the cheapest .com/.net at $7. I think that applies to transfers too!

Once they go back to $9 again, then go switch to Epik.

 

[Kate]

I don't believe so. Domain names can be used purely as e-mail domains which require only mx records and do not require nameservers. So, afaik, naked domains are not grounds for cancellation

You still need nameservers to advertise your MX records. So if you choose not to set any NS, then you can't use the domain for E-mail, website or anything else.
But you can indeed use a domain for E-mail service only, then you just publish one or more MX records in your DNS zone. But if the MX is a host under the same domain name then you'll also have to add matching A/AAAA records - it has to be resolved somehow

Some registries insist on a valid set of NS, and will even conduct periodic checks, and send you mail notifications when the NS are not responding/resolving/authoritative for your names. You are supposed to fix that - or else (doesn't mean they will really delete your names though).
Known examples: .is, .fi...
So it depends on the extension.

 

[xyo]

.DE is also very strict about nameservers as they check if the delegation is valid - meaning you can only set nameservers which are already configured to respond to requests for that domain otherwise it fails.
This can be a real pain in the a... in some situations.

Though I think they are the only registry worldwide which have a really neat feature called "NSentries".
Those entries are set at registry-level (somewhat like glue-records) and act like normal nameserver records. You can set A and MX records this way and don't any nameservers then as the registry nameservers will respond to those requests.

 

[tech4]

I think I know what the thread owner is talking about. I recently registered a dot com via Namesilo and then I get called from some Indian company, Godaddy, and email from the rest of the web development team regarding my new "domain".

I don't think Namesilo is selling information or leaving it open to the public. I noticed that there's a marketer that works with Godaddy or whoever it is, pulls information from newly registered domain names, and started blasting the owner. I get those blast its annoying, but I don't really care, and I know what you mean, if it gets annoying use the privacy. But before you can mask it, most calls and email will come in. I get the emails from Godaddy, its affiliates, and alot of Indian companies.

There is a marketer that's pulling up whois registration and selling them. I happened to be a victim of such. I don't think its just Namesilo. I know for sure that marketer works with Godaddy, because the ads are from godaddy ie. make a logo, design a site, host your website, etc., It happens more than once so I am sure there's a marketer that does it.

 

[Acroplex]

No, that info comes straight from the zone files. They simply get the domains that are added, query the WHOIS, and contact the email or call the phone number.

 

[Kate]

The registrars are not guilty. Everybody can get the .com zone files and spot new registrations. This is what spammers do. Then they scrape the whois and start spamming.

Edit: Oops already posted above

 

[Jv1999]

The registrars are not guilty. Everybody can get the .com zone files and spot new registrations. This is what spammers do. Then they scrape the whois and start spamming.

Edit: Oops already posted above

So even if you have whois privacy, your whois info is in the zonefiles????

 

[xynames]

The whole thing’s...unclear.

Had nothing to do with WhoIs or NameSilo.

Plus the OP is assuming that people will notice repetitive all private WhoIs from same registrar registered around same time and then assume must be the same registrant.

If he wishes to avoid such assumptions he could register with different registrars, and assign different WhoIs info and nameservers to each domain, or use private nameservers.

 

[anantj]

You still need nameservers to advertise your MX records. So if you choose not to set any NS, then you can't use the domain for E-mail, website or anything else.

No. You do not need nameservers. Using DNS records, a mx records can be added and that's it. It'll work.

But you can indeed use a domain for E-mail service only, then you just publish one or more MX records in your DNS zone. But if the MX is a host under the same domain name then you'll also have to add matching A/AAAA records - it has to be resolved somehow

Exactly. We need to use DNS records and not necessarily DNS Nameservers (what is typically used for domain name resolution. Essentially, the domain will not be associated with a website.

Some registries insist on a valid set of NS, and will even conduct periodic checks, and send you mail notifications when the NS are not responding/resolving/authoritative for your names. You are supposed to fix that - or else (doesn't mean they will really delete your names though).
Known examples: .is, .fi...
So it depends on the extension.

Yes, agreed. But as the OP stated that they registered a .com domain, my answer was pertaining only to the .com TLD

 

[anantj]

I think I know what the thread owner is talking about. I recently registered a dot com via Namesilo and then I get called from some Indian company, Godaddy, and email from the rest of the web development team regarding my new "domain".

no you don't know what the OP is talking about. They were not talking about spam marketing calls. Their problem was a registered domain (with whois privacy) and not in use showing up in search results

 

[anantj]

So even if you have whois privacy, your whois info is in the zonefiles????

No. A zone file does not contain whois information at all. That is stored in whois databases maintained by registrars (for TLDs that have a thin whois) and by registries (for TLDs that have a thick whois). A zone file contains DNS records of a domain name. For more information, please see - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035 & https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034

 

[Kate]

No. You do not need nameservers. Using DNS records, a mx records can be added and that's it.

And that MX record, where are you going to publish it if not in a name server ?

It'll work.

Examples of mail-enabled domains with no NS ?

 

[tonyk2000]

I respectfully disagree with the suggestion that a domain without dns servers can receive mail.

It should work this way - first, sending mailserver tries to retreive MX records from global dns. So, if the email is for [email protected] - then it expects to obtain one or more mx records for somedomain.com. Without dns servers, what server will give an expected response? Unless the parent zone server knows this info (which is definitely not the case for .com domains with verisign-powered dns servers that are serving .com zone) - there would be no response of MX type.

As the last resort, without known MX records, sending mailserver MAY try obtain IP address of somedomain.com expecting that there is a mailserver running on that IP which is capable of handing mail for somedomain.com.
Similarly, without dns servers attached to somedomain.com, such an intent will most likely fail.

One scenario may work - but it is NOT how internet mail is supposed to be configured, and nobody should try to use such a confing:

1. Register somedomain.com

2. Register nameserver under somedomain.com but not ns1.somedomain.com, user just naked somedomain.com with some IP instead. So a parent zone, .com zone in this case, will start reporting A record for somedomain.com (and you may or may not need to enter somedomain.com as dns server for some other unrelated .com domain for such a config to become live)

3. Run mailserver for somedomain.com on that IP

4. Expect that sending mailservers will obtain that IP from the parent dns for somedomain.com as an A record, and expect that it will deliver mail to this IP as a mailserver

 

[Kate]

BTW the .com zone file itself contains a number of A records (glue) mainly for nameservers, but no MX records.
Example:
NS1.GIAWEBHOSTING A 198.23.54.133