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Wow! Why China! :o

$100 million to boost vista sounds easy, must be nice with that kind of money! :(
 
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If you're interested in Vista developments, I post the top news at funwithvista.com
 
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wow, this thread is great, is it such a great move to go over to the china way...Well see.
 
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I think it should have been no surprise. Outsourcing has been growing since past 5 years....Microsoft has outsourced almost all of the things in past few years and it had laid eyes of chinese and Indian market well ago so i think its nuthing new if they move there research base 2 china or India.. :)
 
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I wouldn't call this "stop supporting americas economy".
It just called "globalization", just take a look at india. Since 1995 the TOP IT outsourcing place.

IMO every serious buisiness and this includes MS should have 1 thing clear, and this is settled way back in history by Henry Ford.

"A golbal operating country should not care about any regional issues if they can profit with/thorugh other markets"
(I can't remember the exact words, but was something like this).

This is why GM sold trucks (Opel Blitz) and Ford plane engines (Stuka) in 2nd world war to the Germans to kill allied forces, and support the german warfare. IBM did the same with ther "holographs" (first computers) wich unfortunetly enabeled germans to exterminate millions of innocents on big organized scale.
--> Inredible but true.
Not to mention USAs efforts in selling warfare technology in Afghanistan back in the 90s supporting our well knowen bad guy Osama Bin Laden.

Neverless ethics are outside this philosphy.

PS:
IT outsourcing to China is only the first step.
Once China finished their damm (currently in construction) they will take off on large scale, as they will gain access to nearly unlimmited workforce and will flood western economy with goods at low prices.
And this will really hurt ;(
 
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China.....Why CHINA?
They dont need anymore JOBS!
 
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Because it's the cheapest skilled labor market currently. Plus it could be a move to please the Chinese government in return for contracts. Look at the bigger perspective.
 
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hmm....why china but not singapore?
 
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reason 1: more engineers graduating from china every year. They are very high quality because the competition is very high to get in the college.
reason 2: MS can sell more software to china, the market is hugh.
reason 3: better localization when MS software is ported to china, again since the market is hugh, you don't want people from singapore to port software to sell in china.
reason 4: every one hates MS including the chinese, by outsourcing to china, MS is buying their way into the market.
reason 5: if MS does not pour any more money, china will be a 100% linux world.

I personally see this as something we can not change, like it or not this will be the trend. So rather then bashing it, I would rather to profit from it. I would like to join the outsourcing movement, I have started the engineerpartner.com for example: engineerpartner.com

I welcome any suggestions and partnership.

thanks.

slaydragon said:
hmm....why china but not singapore?
 
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I wouldn't call this "stop supporting americas economy".
It just called "globalization", just take a look at india. Since 1995 the TOP IT outsourcing place.
The CAPS sentence was a quote from my secondary source, slashdot.org, and I should have shown the quotes and acknowledged the source in my OP. I included the statement w/ the link because of it's provocative nature and not because it represents my POV.

As time and space continue to compress and become redefined into smaller units, due to, among other things, the medium that we are presently communicating in, economic globalization and socio-political "homogenization", is inevitable. I am certain that MS's pledge to outsource jobs to China @ approx 1,000/yr over 10 yrs, (the slow start, no doubt, precipitated the visit of China President Hu Jintao to MS headquarters), was calculated to help gain a foothold into the Chinese market by greasing the skids w/ the Chinese government. This would result in an increase of US trade w/ China , would have the effect of improving the US economy and trade balance and, if you believe in trickle down economics, would, ultimately, improve the US job market which in turn would improve the standard of living for the US worker.

This is utopian thinking, IMHO. The problem is not w/ the globaliztion of commerce or the immediate impact that outsourced jobs will have on the economy, but lies, rather, w/ the flow rate of the benefits being ostensibly, "trickled down" and the intentions of those who are at the controls. As the above Henry Ford example implies, corporations are not built upon a model based in altruism and the betterment of humankind. They are, by design, impersonal, profit making instruments w/ a hierachial structure that resembles a machine, more so, than a biologic form or a human being. The problem is not w/ how a company decides to increase it's profits, but rather w/ how those profits are used and distributed.

As the world "globilizes" the competition is opening up and the borders of the marketplace are becoming less and less constrained to national boundaries. As power and the accessibilty of resources become increasingly centralized and under the control of the mega corporations and the world's governments, (the relationship of Microsoft and the Chinese government is a case in point), the individual worker is becoming more isolated and dependendent upon the policies of the power brokers. What is good for the large corporations and the governments is not necessarily what is good for the individual worker.

Today, the US worker is at a double disadvantage. First, there is guilt by association. The individual is, by default, tied to the policy of the government to which he/she is a citizen, and currently, on a global level, US policy is anything but popular. Secondly, from a global standpoint, there is a double standard between the US and other countries relative to protectionist policy and government subsidy and promotion of industry. Non-nationals have rights and access to resources in the US, that US citizens do not have in the workplaces of other countries. While the corporations may flourish in the current international business climate, as long as our, (the US), government continues to maintain it's one way door policy and fails to follow the example of other countries who support and protect their workforces, the US worker will continue to be at a disadvantage by being on an uneven playing field. Outsourcing is just a small manifestation of a deeper problem.
 
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I agree with your points that there are negative consequences of outsourcing. However there is not much can be done to change it. All the predication I have seen is that china will be the future econimic center. If US does not outsource the jobs to china, some other countries will. Outsourcing may not be good for individual, it may not even be good for corporations. But what can you do?

Grrilla said:
The CAPS sentence was a quote from my secondary source, slashdot.org, and I should have shown the quotes and acknowledged the source in my OP. I included the statement w/ the link because of it's provocative nature and not because it represents my POV.

As time and space continue to compress and become redefined into smaller units, due to, among other things, the medium that we are presently communicating in, economic globalization and socio-political "homogenization", is inevitable. I am certain that MS's pledge to outsource jobs to China @ approx 1,000/yr over 10 yrs, (the slow start, no doubt, precipitated the visit of China President Hu Jintao to MS headquarters), was calculated to help gain a foothold into the Chinese market by greasing the skids w/ the Chinese government. This would result in an increase of US trade w/ China , would have the effect of improving the US economy and trade balance and, if you believe in trickle down economics, would, ultimately, improve the US job market which in turn would improve the standard of living for the US worker.

This is utopian thinking, IMHO. The problem is not w/ the globaliztion of commerce or the immediate impact that outsourced jobs will have on the economy, but lies, rather, w/ the flow rate of the benefits being ostensibly, "trickled down" and the intentions of those who are at the controls. As the above Henry Ford example implies, corporations are not built upon a model based in altruism and the betterment of humankind. They are, by design, impersonal, profit making instruments w/ a hierachial structure that resembles a machine, more so, than a biologic form or a human being. The problem is not w/ how a company decides to increase it's profits, but rather w/ how those profits are used and distributed.

As the world "globilizes" the competition is opening up and the borders of the marketplace are becoming less and less constrained to national boundaries. As power and the accessibilty of resources become increasingly centralized and under the control of the mega corporations and the world's governments, (the relationship of Microsoft and the Chinese government is a case in point), the individual worker is becoming more isolated and dependendent upon the policies of the power brokers. What is good for the large corporations and the governments is not necessarily what is good for the individual worker.

Today, the US worker is at a double disadvantage. First, there is guilt by association. The individual is, by default, tied to the policy of the government to which he/she is a citizen, and currently, on a global level, US policy is anything but popular. Secondly, from a global standpoint, there is a double standard between the US and other countries relative to protectionist policy and government subsidy and promotion of industry. Non-nationals have rights and access to resources in the US, that US citizens do not have in the workplaces of other countries. While the corporations may flourish in the current international business climate, as long as our, (the US), government continues to maintain it's one way door policy and fails to follow the example of other countries who support and protect their workforces, the US worker will continue to be at a disadvantage by being on an uneven playing field. Outsourcing is just a small manifestation of a deeper problem.
 
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I agree with your points that there are negative consequences of outsourcing. However there is not much can be done to change it. ... If US does not outsource the jobs to china, some other countries will. Outsourcing may not be good for individual, it may not even be good for corporations. But what can you do?
There is nothing that can or, perhps, should be done about outsourcing- supply, demand and the economics of a competitive marketplace, on the international level, are the realities of the new global economy. My point was not so much being made about the immediate negative effects of outsourcing, but, rather, a lament about my, (the US), govs. lousy economic policies relative to that of other govs. and how, while they are, for the short term, good for the enhancement of big business, they are at the same time detrimental to most working Americans. The US gov, (on a bipartisan level), appears to either be blind or acting very naively in regards to protection and subsidization policies that other countries have put in place and are using for the purpose of protecting their industries and workforces.

All the predication I have seen is that china will be the future econimic center.
Globalization or, more aptly "Internationalization", implies the breakdown of national soverignty which, from my viewpoint, will lead away from a single economic center in *geographic* terms. Ultimately, there will be no interventionism or "policing" by a single nation or "coalition" of nations, and the governments of individual countries will resemble large monitoring bodies w/ lobbying units more than traditional "nation-states".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globilization
There is a wide variety of different kinds of "anti-globalization". In general, critics claim that the results of globalization have not been what was predicted when the attempt to increase free trade began, and that many institutions involved in the system of globalization have not taken the interests of poorer nations and the working class into account.

Economic arguments by fair trade theorists claim that unrestricted free trade benefits those with more financial leverage (i.e. the rich) at the expense of the poor.

Many "anti-globalization" activists see globalization as the promotion of a corporatist agenda, which is intent on constricting the freedoms of individuals in the name of profit. They also claim that increasing autonomy and strength of corporate entities increasingly shape the political policy of nation-states.
But what can you do?
For near to medium-term leverage, invest in .cn and .in/ .co.in names and other domains w/ keyword terms that have appeal to businesses in countries w/ emerging economies. :hehe:
 
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Itis just simple economic sense JMO

slaydragon said:
hmm....why china but not singapore?

Never been to either I assume, if you had you would not need to ask :?
 
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Used to work in Singapore. We usually outsource IT jobs to China and India :)
 
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