LLLL.net COUNTDOWN

[-REECE-]

New Member Disclaimer: Four letter domain names are a relatively new investment category that is only beginning to gain traction in Dotcom. This domaining sector offers potentially larger returns than traditional revenue or traffic based domain names, however with this investment opportunity comes extravagant risk.

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It was only a matter of time... First King Com. Then .CN fell. And now... I present to you LLLL.net

This thread is designed to elicit discussion about LLLL.nets. You're encouraged to post anything you feel is relevant to LLLL.nets in this thread. This includes sales information, new regs, ...

Feb 05, 2008: All quad premium LLLL.nets are registered

 

[ODST.com]

I don't think a net buyout is too outlandish. Domaining is something that is relatively cheap to get into. We all invest in stocks or real estate because they are good investments. You are telling me that 206k domains won't find there way to an owner in a world filled with BILLIONS. If you look at this as a piece of real estate why wouldn't you buy up the rarer letter combos. All it takes is patience. The number IS going down. Same thing was being said in the old LLLL.com thread. It would never happen and now look at where we are. $33 bucks for a random bit of junk letters isn't too bad of an ROI for those who paid reg fee. You never know the world is a big place full of countless investors.

 

[Asmro]

You do bring a good point. But my main point is that is will take many, many years for the buyout to be accomplished at least. And by that time, the LLLL.net's will be worth as much as you paid in renewal fees by that time

I don't think a net buyout is too outlandish. Domaining is something that is relatively cheap to get into. We all invest in stocks or real estate because they are good investments. You are telling me that 206k domains won't find there way to an owner in a world filled with BILLIONS. If you look at this as a piece of real estate why wouldn't you buy up the rarer letter combos. All it takes is patience. The number IS going down. Same thing was being said in the old LLLL.com thread. It would never happen and now look at where we are. $33 bucks for a random bit of junk letters isn't too bad of an ROI for those who paid reg fee. You never know the world is a big place full of countless investors.

 

[ODST.com]

You never know how fast a market can grow. Maybe we have yet to see a bubble market

 

[domainhunt]

hey yaar, Now llll.com is constantly picking up.Now the value is $50 minimum...

Surely i hope it will reach $100 within 2 or 3 months.
Dring the period of LLLL.com there were only a little number of domainers, but as of now there are bulk and bulk of peoploe who came for domaining..

So defenitely the rate will be much faster than LLLL.com's


Many people came to know about domaining..

IMHO;..

 

[domainator1]

I'm really getting sick of people that invest in a maret then decide to dog on it.. if u don't think that the llll.nets will buy out you should be overlooking this thread... if you think that random llll.coms with crap letters are worthless why are you buying them.. and once again with the burst of the price of llll.coms I'm sure major investors see nothing but an opportunity to make some money.. the llll.net buyout could be anytime.. u never know who's overlooking the domains.. there will always be suprises in domaining.. I think there are a few people that are bitter about losses in the past and are actually trying to slow this buyout down all I can say to that is good luck.. I'm regging them anyways..

 

[-REECE-]

Agreed. There are several large domainers on this board who could buy 10-20k themselves at a moment's notice if they wanted to. With that in mind, it's very difficult to set a buyout date -- look how fast the final 10,000 LLLL.coms got registered. With that precendent in the back of every short domainer's mind today, I expect the last few LLLL.nets to go much faster. Not going to guess on a buyout date -- agree with my friend below that it could literally be any time.

Someone bought 4000 LLL.mobis shortly after the Flowers.mobi sale was announced (for $200k), it's certainly plausible that a few large .net sales could catch a large domainer's eye and make him choose to buy out LLLL.nets himself -- it's only $1M or so in renewal fees to buy them all out.

I'm really getting sick of people that invest in a maret then decide to dog on it.. if u don't think that the llll.nets will buy out you should be overlooking this thread... if you think that random llll.coms with crap letters are worthless why are you buying them.. and once again with the burst of the price of llll.coms I'm sure major investors see nothing but an opportunity to make some money.. the llll.net buyout could be anytime.. u never know who's overlooking the domains.. there will always be suprises in domaining.. I think there are a few people that are bitter about losses in the past and are actually trying to slow this buyout down all I can say to that is good luck.. I'm regging them anyways..

 

[Asmro]

Yea, I mean, that is why I am following this thread...I never said anything will or won't happen, I was just stating my opinion. I mean, as I said, I regged a few myself. And to be honest, I would say your right...about not knowing when the buyout can happen...And I respect your decision to continue regging

 

[mwzd]

Coming from one who is trying to sell LLLL.net's for 3 times their value.

I assume you're talking about me

I price my names according to what I think they're worth. I think people selling quad premiums LLLL.nets for $9-$15 are short changing themselves and the market, not someone like me.

Do the math, quad premium LLLL.com is $400 min. that means the LLLL.net is worth $40. Similarly cvcv.com is $1k min. so cvcv.net is $100 min. I don't see how my prices are higher than that.

People are not willing to pay my prices as some other promoters of this buyout are dumping theirs for cheap. Its a question of 'do as I say, don't do as I do'.

I don't think a net buyout is too outlandish. Domaining is something that is relatively cheap to get into. ... $33 bucks for a random bit of junk letters isn't too bad of an ROI for those who paid reg fee. You never know the world is a big place full of countless investors.

The whole problem is one of ROI, $7 on an anti premium 4L.com = $33 wholesale. Thats decent ROI. But $7 on an anti premium 4L.net = $3.3 = loss making proposition.

I don't trash any market or any TLD or any perspective, just do the math and do what your investors perspective tells you to, don't let me or any other domainer make decisions for you. Thats all I'm saying.

Agreed. There are several large domainers on this board who could buy 10-20k themselves at a moment's notice if they wanted to. -- it's only $1M or so in renewal fees to buy them all out.

Could and will are two different aspects. Are you buying even triple premium LLLL.nets for reg fee? If not, why not?

 

[unclewalter]

hey yaar, Now llll.com is constantly picking up.Now the value is $50 minimum...

Surely i hope it will reach $100 within 2 or 3 months.
Dring the period of LLLL.com there were only a little number of domainers, but as of now there are bulk and bulk of peoploe who came for domaining..

So defenitely the rate will be much faster than LLLL.com's


Many people came to know about domaining..

IMHO;..

$50? This is a list of sales yesterday at snapnames.
ayiu.com $81.00
bonm.com $365.00
bskm.com $85.00
cxbu.com $31.00
hily.com $1,050.00
lzxp.com $40.00
rurw.com $84.00
sivy.net $60.00
xrph.com $44.00
yhkz.com $31.00
yllq.com $34.00
yvpu.com $31.00
yzck.com $31.00
znll.com $55.00
mzdk.com $40.00
wgzh.com $72.00
zkth.com $38.00
ztpk.com $42.00
oyxt.com $36.00
zwne.com $39.00
zwtx.com $38.00

 

[bobby9101]

Man I'm just kidding about your prices :p
Though i think that nobody should carry around the 10% "rule" as that, a rule.
I bought wusi.net for $60, surely WUSI.com is worth more than $600. I also bought XUFU.net for $60, the .com is probably worth $700-800
Then again I bought ETIH.net for $45, the .com is probably worth slightly more than $450
Then there are names that I paid more than 10% for that are worth less than 10% of. I admit I have "over-paid" on some domains simply because I liked the look of them

$50? This is a list of sales yesterday at snapnames.
ayiu.com $81.00
bonm.com $365.00
bskm.com $85.00
cxbu.com $31.00
hily.com $1,050.00
lzxp.com $40.00
rurw.com $84.00
sivy.net $60.00
xrph.com $44.00
yhkz.com $31.00
yllq.com $34.00
yvpu.com $31.00
yzck.com $31.00
znll.com $55.00
mzdk.com $40.00
wgzh.com $72.00
zkth.com $38.00
ztpk.com $42.00
oyxt.com $36.00
zwne.com $39.00
zwtx.com $38.00

$50 was about the average for non CVC or prem

 

[unclewalter]

Man I'm just kidding about your prices :p
Though i think that nobody should carry around the 10% "rule" as that, a rule.
I bought wusi.net for $60, surely WUSI.com is worth more than $600. I also bought XUFU.net for $60, the .com is probably worth $700-800
Then again I bought ETIH.net for $45, the .com is probably worth slightly more than $450
Then there are names that I paid more than 10% for that are worth less than 10% of. I admit I have "over-paid" on some domains simply because I liked the look of them


$50 was about the average for non CVC or prem

well he said $50 minimum

 

[bobby9101]

Do the math, quad premium LLLL.com is $400 min. that means the LLLL.net is worth $40. Similarly cvcv.com is $1k min. so cvcv.net is $100 min. I don't see how my prices are higher than that.

This is a list of sales yesterday at snapnames.
ayiu.com $81.00

$45 ea.
aoyy.net 02/04/09 - FAB
ayiy.net 02/04/09 - FAB
aoiy.net 02/04/09 - FAB

(from your sales thread)
A little over 10% there are we? I'm not complaining or whining about it, just merely stating that 10% means little

 

[mwzd]

(from your sales thread)
A little over 10% there are we? I'm not complaining or whining about it, just merely stating that 10% means little

Are we?

Do you have any clue of the LLLL.com market?

Try and find out what similar all vowel .coms go for will you?

 

[bobby9101]

I just posted a similar sale for $81.
$81/10 = $8.10 * 5.55 = $45
OKay, sorry if this is getting personal, I would rather not continue this. I was simply pointing something out, let's move on

 

[mwzd]

Bobby, I enjoy a good debate, hope it was not taken personally by anyone else too.

Just letting you see what I can from my conversations with Ergo etc.

I don't think LLLL.net is a bad investment, long term, but I'd rather buy a quad premium for $9-$15 than hand reg a double premium today.

 

[harkster]

I must confess to not buying much in the last few weeks but always lurking around. 2 reasons for not buying is I don't like paying much over reg fee (except for something I really like) and off doing some other things.

The time for portfolio thinning is quickly approaching. No matter whether a buyout occurs tomorrow or never it will be hard to not make a profit. Only real question is how much to accept and when.

I have seen times in a past life (antiques) seeing markets destroyed by greedy dealers pushing prices to high to fast. Often, trying to get that last dollar results in getting nothing. Keep rockin Ja$on.

Got to chattering and forgot what I really wanted to say.

Oh yes. Following this thread lately gives one a distinct feeling a number of y'all have icicles attached to your feet. Some may have forgotten that this is a highly speculative undertaking and they should not spending the 'rent money' here.

 

[-REECE-]

Could and will are two different aspects. Are you buying even triple premium LLLL.nets for reg fee? If not, why not?

My personal opinion is that there is still more money to be made largely buying aftermarket quad premiums than hand registering what remains (in most cases -- I've seen a few of you report registering some pretty amazing names).

Quad premium LLLL.nets can still be had for $8 or even less -- compare to about $320 minimum with quad premium LLLL.coms and that makes for a 40:1 ratio.

In comparison, triple premium LLLL.coms of better letters (J,K,U,V,W) only go for about $75-$150 under most circumstances, so at the very best you'd only be getting about a 30:1 ratio ($5 LLLL.net versus $150 LLLL.com).

They're still both excellent investments, but I think the most money will be made with aftermarket quad premium purchases at this time, as explained above.

That said, I'm still pretty much "all in" on .com, but I do think investors in triple + quad premium LLLL.nets will see very nice returns over the next few years.

 

[mwzd]

My personal opinion is that there is still more money to be made largely buying aftermarket quad premiums than hand registering what remains

Tyvm Reece, exactly what I've been saying.

Here's a straight shooter for you folks, listen to what the man says

Good Luck to everyone with the LLLL.nets - I have over a 100 btw.

 

[Standout!]

I grabbed FHBE,net

 

[bobby9101]

Bobby, I enjoy a good debate, hope it was not taken personally by anyone else too.

Just letting you see what I can from my conversations with Ergo etc.

I don't think LLLL.net is a bad investment, long term, but I'd rather buy a quad premium for $9-$15 than hand reg a double premium today.

Haven't touched registration in a month and a half? I like drops and aftermarket, guess I am not helping this little buyout