LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[italiandragon]

Another important fact is that when there are double letters , the value goes up, also because it could be a typo of the similar LLL.com

2 recent examples are:

mssp.com $2,015 (NameJet) could be typo of MSP.com


aomm.com 669 EUR ($1034) (Sedo) could be typo of AOM.com

 

[Lasher]

Another important fact is that when there are double letters , the value goes up, also because it could be a typo of the similar LLL.com

2 recent examples are:

mssp.com $2,015 (NameJet) could be typo of MSP.com


aomm.com 669 EUR ($1034) (Sedo) could be typo of AOM.com

Thanks for reporting this last one. Looks good for aorr.com

It's amazing how fast this market moves at times. Everything in my signature and 100 more just like them were regfee drops 12-18 months ago. They were picked up by snap/pool/etc, nobody bid on them and within seconds of being re-dropped my script grabbed them.

 

[bmugford]

I hope you are right about double letters. Many of mine have double letters.
BNNB.com / PSOO.com / OTTF.com / BBFT.com / OHNN.com

Any opinions on KLUQ.com?
I am pretty sure most people would consider pronounceable as "Cluck"

Another important fact is that when there are double letters , the value goes up, also because it could be a typo of the similar LLL.com

2 recent examples are:

mssp.com $2,015 (NameJet) could be typo of MSP.com


aomm.com 669 EUR ($1034) (Sedo) could be typo of AOM.com

 

[gladdy]

IARN.COM was a real bargain at Sedo $620

Internet Address Registry Network
International Auto Rental Network
Incident/Accident Report Network
Internet Auto Registry Network
Illinois Auto Racing Network
Iowa Automotive Recyclers Network
Information Access & Retrieval Network
International Aerospace Research Network
International Aircraft Rental Network
International Apartment Rentals Network

 

[filter]

sure - also, IA is abbreviation for "Indiana" and RN -> "Registered Nurse" ... easily recognized abbreviation there.

IARN.COM was a real bargain at Sedo $620

Internet Address Registry Network
International Auto Rental Network
Incident/Accident Report Network
Internet Auto Registry Network
Illinois Auto Racing Network
Iowa Automotive Recyclers Network
Information Access & Retrieval Network
International Aerospace Research Network
International Aircraft Rental Network
International Apartment Rentals Network

 

[gladdy]

sure - also, IA is abbreviation for "Indiana" and RN -> "Registered Nurse" ... easily recognized abbreviation there.

Also the "AR" in a middle:
AR - Arkansas
AR - Argentina
AR - Arabic

 

[AndyR]

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[Andrei P.]

PV stands for photovoltaics or solar energy.

PV might stand for hundreds of another good acronyms (the same as GV,MV,SV,RV, etc.) but this means nothing. I think that price for this type of domains now is 35-45$ so IMHO you could find similar names for cheaper.

 

[joeventura]

How about ZUHU.com?

I have a video site along with it and I have it on ebay now.

 

[Marck]

How about ZUHU.com?

I have a video site along with it and I have it on ebay now.

That logo kills me, lol. (Bold move with a 4k starting bid, someone's already coughed it up, nice.)

 

[UrbanCowboy]

(Bold move with a 4k starting bid, someone's already coughed it up, nice.)

Well, not exactly, reserve has not been met so I believe the bidder/seller are is not obligated to buy/sell until reserve price has been met.

 

[italiandragon]

Well, not exactly, reserve has not been met so I believe the bidder/seller are is not obligated to buy/sell until reserve price has been met.

reserve price on ebay can be decreased.

 

[joeventura]

You cannot lower the reserve to an existing bid but yes you are correct the current bidder is not obligated, nor am I.

I am not concerned that it will sell there are a ton of people "watching" the auction and there have been about a dozen questions.

Lots of interest so far.

 

[mntor]

TRDU.com - Bought it recently. Any thoughts?

 

[italiandragon]

TRDU.com - Bought it recently. Any thoughts?

$300

You cannot lower the reserve to an existing bid but yes you are correct the current bidder is not obligated, nor am I.

I am not concerned that it will sell there are a ton of people "watching" the auction and there have been about a dozen questions.

Lots of interest so far.

I would sell it for $4,000.

 

[cache]

I share your thought. I just did not have a script to catch
them, so I bought most of my domains at the most expensive price at that moment, helping to hype the price. But now by today's standard, the price I paid back then seem pretty low.

...

It's amazing how fast this market moves at times. Everything in my signature and 100 more just like them were regfee drops 12-18 months ago. They were picked up by snap/pool/etc, nobody bid on them and within seconds of being re-dropped my script grabbed them.

 

[Andrei P.]

It's amazing how fast this market moves at times. Everything in my signature and 100 more just like them were regfee drops 12-18 months ago. They were picked up by snap/pool/etc, nobody bid on them and within seconds of being re-dropped my script grabbed them.

I think this is the main reason for drops today. There are too many "retired" domainers that invested in LLLL.coms and they don't know that they have now value and let them drop. This is very unhealthy for LLLL.com market

 

[-REECE-]

I'm actually quite surprised, as you have said Andrei, about how many "retired" domainers there are unaware of what they're dropping. I would have thought anyone with 100+ LLLL.coms would at least try to firesale them before letting them all drop, even if unaware of the market -- shocking.

I think this is the main reason for drops today. There are too many "retired" domainers that invested in LLLL.coms and they don't know that they have now value and let them drop. This is very unhealthy for LLLL.com market

 

[Andrei P.]

I'm actually quite surprised, as you have said Andrei, about how many "retired" domainers there are unaware of what they're dropping. I would have thought anyone with 100+ LLLL.coms would at least try to firesale them before letting them all drop, even if unaware of the market -- shocking.

I think this is the main reason for drops today. There are too many "retired" domainers that invested in LLLL.coms and they don't know that they have now value and let them drop. This is very unhealthy for LLLL.com market

For example recently about 50 BJLL.com and LLBJ.com domains dropped. It's obviously that all they were registered by one person. We actually really don't know how many one-day-domainers exist that had read about LLLL.com possibility and now forgot about them even had no time to check their value.

 

[italiandragon]

I'm actually quite surprised, as you have said Andrei, about how many "retired" domainers there are unaware of what they're dropping. I would have thought anyone with 100+ LLLL.coms would at least try to firesale them before letting them all drop, even if unaware of the market -- shocking.



For example recently about 50 BJLL.com and LLBJ.com domains dropped. It's obviously that all they were registered by one person. We actually really don't know how many one-day-domainers exist that had read about LLLL.com possibility and now forgot about them even had no time to check their value.

Andrei, not necessarily is about forgetting , sometimes people die too.