LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[Alex]

If I had the funds right now I would buy up a lot more at NP and sell at other market venues becasue at the moment quite a lot of the names are below market value and could turn a small profit if flipped... I find it strange that no one has adopted this strategy... either no one can be bothered or there just isnt the big profit margin people want to spend time doing it?...
Rich

I would do this, since there is a profit margin. But my marketplaces are limited since I do not use PP, so I can sell either on forums or Sedo (that sends me a wire where I am trimmed by my bank commission). I cannot use TDNAM, though most of my domains would sell at least 50% more there (last time when I sold one for $69, it sold there for over $500 in a week).

But this is the limitation of not using PP. I am also surprised since a nice quick profit could be made, but maybe investors prefer to consolidate their portfolios, rather than looking for a quick buck.

 

[filter]

[...]
If I had the funds right now [...]

if I had the funds right now I'd be buying not selling ...

that's a big IF when it comes down to it.

As far as inter-venue arbitrage goes ... it takes a while before people catch on. Inertia is a powerful force! I'm most comfortable hanging out at NP .... And selling on TDNAM and Sedo involve the "wait a month to get paid" factor ... so instead I'm more inclined to just wait until prices firm up here (if that's what they're going to do) and then make sales at current market price and get paid without waiting a month - and without giving up that extra percentage to the auction house if I can help it.

 

[italiandragon]

I think the current buy-outs (premium LLLL.net buy-out is accomplished, NNNNN.net buy-out will be accomplished in a week) for a short time draw the funds from LLLL.com market.

Further, seeing LLLL.com at almost $100 level, many short term investors (those holding less than a year) want to unload their positions. It will keep the LLLL.com prices steady for a few weeks (same as was in November after buyout, when very short term investors vere unloading their holdings at $15-$20).

Afther that, I expect the price will jump again heavily - short teerm investors sold their holdings out - no new LLLLs on the market, drops are coming to low levels, currently running buy-outs accomplished, new funds from existing and new domainers and endusers arrive. Thus I expect we will see the minimum price to jump 50% from current $65 to $100 within the next 3 -4 weeks.

Vlad got the picture perfectly.

I buy most of the times without not even reporting my sales. Just yestarday I bought 2 premiums.

Reece is buying $100,000 worth of Premium LLLL.com

I am getting e-mail from around the world from bargain hunters.

NamePros is 1 place, not the main LLLL.com marketplace and we always have seen that was a place where to buy at cheaper prices.

I hate to say it but if you really do not have trust in what are you doing , there is no point in doing it so you may as well sell all your domains. Too bad I finished my spare cash for this month yestarday otherwise I would have made an offer on any LLLL.com you did not want to keep.

For the memories so far this month:

I sold the same 3 domains twice at TDNAM but all have been returned to me because buyers were scammers. Now maybe 1 of those is going to a genuine buyer......but till I get paid , I won`t believe it.

I bought: 2 Premiums and 24 other LLLL.com of mixed quality.

 

[bro]

Its not just sales threads but also more people are showing off their better quality LLLL in appraisal forum so it gives an impression that there are more LLLL.Com on the forum, NamePros Auction is the best way to sell average quality LLLL.Coms imo

 

[DomainMagnate]

What's IAPO worth now?
Similar premium vvcv's are rare, so hard to find many similar sales.
Throw in your evaluations (or offers by pm :D )

 

[italiandragon]

What's IAPO worth now?
Similar premium vvcv's are rare, so hard to find many similar sales.
Throw in your evaluations (or offers by pm :D )

$300 for that right now? (I`ll take them out of the rent money) :hehe:

 

[DomainMagnate]

$300 for that right now? (I`ll take them out of the rent money) :hehe:

um. did you forget a zero there :hehe:

 

[bricio]

I probably wouldn't either, but I'd be able to :hehe:

thanks, these are only a part of my LLLL's btw

i wouldnt because mine dont give me enough money to :lol:
you are welcome

What's IAPO worth now?
Similar premium vvcv's are rare, so hard to find many similar sales.
Throw in your evaluations (or offers by pm )

it starts with "Internet" or ends with "Online"... you choose :gn:
i would say at least low $x,xxx (resellers, of course)

 

[Alex]

What's IAPO worth now?
Similar premium vvcv's are rare, so hard to find many similar sales.
Throw in your evaluations (or offers by pm :D )

This is perfectly pronounceable in my language. Perfect letters, absolutely perfect. Low $x.xxx minimum reseller value.

 

[italiandragon]

um. did you forget a zero there :hehe:

oh come on...I should stop making evaluation guides...these people get too much informed :p

(and I never get a bargain anymore :hehe: )

 

[DomainMagnate]

oh come on...I should stop making evaluation guides...these people get too much informed :p

(and I never get a bargain anymore :hehe: )

Did you make some evaluation guide? I've only seen Reeces guide, but it's doesn't say much about premiums and pronounceables

 

[italiandragon]

Did you make some evaluation guide? I've only seen Reeces guide, but it's doesn't say much about premiums and pronounceables

:o.....Michael...have you had a look at the title of this thread? (ok....the price guide is old and kept in the first page now only as memory.....but yes I could say I pioneered the LLLL.com price guide

Anyway , as soon as I have time I`ll come up with the updated version, it`s just a bit hard to come up with it when prices move up quickly.

 

[krx]

What is the best and the worst place (value wise) for the Q in a trip prem + Q LLLL.com? Or are all places ~ QLLL, LQLL, LLQL, LLLQ ~ equally bad? Assume it is NOT pronounceable and the Q is not followed by a U.

I know I've seen some discussion of this but I couldn't find it.

 

[xman]

What's more valuable CVVV or VVVC?

ZEOE or EOEZ

Any difference in price? If so by how much?

 

[-REECE-]

I've found very little logic to pronounceable and even quad premium prices... It's probably because I don't have time to go through each and every one and try to guess which are enduser sales versus domainer sales...

Then when something like UNET happenes, all the sudden some domainers get a little silly and start paying/offering enduser-like prices for *NET.com (* representing any letter).

There are just so many possible combinations with the pronounceables... I really wouldn't even know where to start in evaluating them and prices reported seem to imho suggest that very few domainer do.

I think this is one of the biggest hidden secrets out there right now... Alot of domainers have no clue what their pronounceables are worth and this represents a nice category to "go fishing" in if you have a good idea of what you're doing.

Quad Premiums are similar... Some letters (as Lorenzo has often stated) do better at the end O,I,L,A,C,... for obvious reasons... But some of these can often make great acronyms at the start as well: Office, Centre, Association,... versus Online, Corporation, Incorporated, Limited, Associates,...

Is an S better in the second place or the third place? How about a D?

There just isn't enough sales data out there to make such observations anything more than crude estimates.

Did you make some evaluation guide? I've only seen Reeces guide, but it's doesn't say much about premiums and pronounceables

 

[diddie]

yesterday i just discovered my first LLLL.com ever in my namedrive stats, its a typo of JAVA: JZVA , i forgot about it almost since registration ...

 

[italiandragon]

yesterday i just discovered my first LLLL.com ever in my namedrive stats, its a typo of JAVA: JZVA , i forgot about it almost since registration ...

that could be good, any traffic?

 

[diddie]

that could be good, any traffic?

it pays a little more than its reg fees, 600 uniques/year

i have totally forgot about that name regged 1 and half year ago

 

[Shasta]

Networking 4 Letter Related Information
.com, .net, .org, .cn, .de etc..

I've been trying to do my part to spread the news about domain investing, and in particular, 4 letter .coms. I started 4LTR.org in order to help network all the 4 letter information, websites and links to help endusers, investors and domainers.

I am looking for anything related to 4 letter / character domains in any extension..coms, .net, .org, .cn, etc.. If it's okay to use content from your website as an excerpt linking back to your website, please send me a PM. Or, if you don't have a website but you want to post articles or information or links, send me a PM too. Thanks, Gary

 

[Malaysia]

sold 20 LLLL.coms for $3000. but cant list the names coz the buyer ask me to do so since he wanna resell them in the future..
Gonna sell part of my portfolio of LLLL.coms