LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[mwzd]

There is only 30 names for less than $100... that barrier is very close to being crossed! :tu:

See my quick report here.

Rich

Site's down Rich back up!

 

[Shenron]

There is only 30 names for less than $100... that barrier is very close to being crossed! :tu:

See my quick report here.

Rich

Sorry to spoil your post, but ermmm... well... ermm... I got those 2 (lqqo and gqcy)

:hehe:

Waiting transfer now.

 

[filter]

:hi: If they want, they could write to me in Chinese. I could teach them

Xie xie ! 谢谢

 

[rjs_essex]

Sorry to spoil your post, but ermmm... well... ermm... I got those 2 (lqqo and gqcy)

:hehe:

Waiting transfer now.

lol - excellent, I wrote that to point someone in the right direction anyway so it worked!

Rich

 

[DotCN]

Xie xie ! 谢谢

不客气

 

[Stargazer]

I surrender!

After reading all the LLLL.com countdown threads at NP for the last couple of months i must admit that i was very skeptical at first and i laughed at the whole LLLL.com phenomenon...

But low and behold... Yesterday i finally caved in and bought my first LLLL.com at eBay for $89 :sold:

After reading about all the action in the LLLL.com market i realized that the same thing that happened with the LLL.com market is now happening with the LLLL.com!

And i wont let this opportunity slip away! Therefore i did a backorder at Snap and managed to aquire these 22 LLLL domains for $59 a pop.

quyg.com
qezc.com
dnxk.com
gmyq.com
oygz.com
pzqs.com
qkvc.com
qgzq.com
kdcx.com
jgyx.com
dkyw.com
oyxd.com
pxoz.com
qwcw.com
cgjq.com
ktqy.com
dxgq.com
qxyo.com
plzq.com
qvqt.com
pkvq.com
psqx.com

I can still pull out not purchasing any of these domains. The question is which one are the most premium. Should i buy all or just pick the best? I didn't expect to get so many names at the Snap minimum price and now i feel like i'm going to fast :td: $1298 is a lot of money right now and the timing is not the best for this kind of spending. At the same time it's a great investment and the risk is low... Still i have mixed feelings about it.

Your thoughts and input are welcomed.

Cheers from a LLLL.com skeptic turned LLLL.com addict :hehe:

 

[KingDon]

When they cross the $100 soon, you'll be laughing. The .net's are starting to disappear very fast, and that's a sure sign this ain't no hype.

 

[RicoShay]

Stargazer:

$59 is around the minimum price for llll.com's regardless of quality so its not bad considering prices will be higher and some predict minimum price to rise to around $100 very soon so you'll be in profit quite quickly.

Most of the above domains do contain 1/2 bad letters so they aren't really premium.

dnxk.com - dn = domain name so this one could be worth more
kdcx.com - x at the end could mean eXtreme so again could be worth more
jgyx.com - jgyX jiggy eXtreme? lol

I like those three most. Definitely worth getting them.

 

[filter]

I surrender!

After reading all the LLLL.com countdown threads at NP for the last couple of months i must admit that i was very skeptical at first and i laughed at the whole LLLL.com phenomenon...

But low and behold... Yesterday i finally caved in and bought my first LLLL.com at eBay for $89 :sold:

After reading about all the action in the LLLL.com market i realized that the same thing that happened with the LLL.com market is now happening with the LLLL.com!

And i wont let this opportunity slip away! Therefore i did a backorder at Snap and managed to aquire these 22 LLLL domains for $59 a pop.

quyg.com
qezc.com
dnxk.com
gmyq.com
oygz.com
pzqs.com
qkvc.com
qgzq.com
kdcx.com
jgyx.com
dkyw.com
oyxd.com
pxoz.com
qwcw.com
cgjq.com
ktqy.com
dxgq.com
qxyo.com
plzq.com
qvqt.com
pkvq.com
psqx.com

I can still pull out not purchasing any of these domains. The question is which one are the most premium. Should i buy all or just pick the best? I didn't expect to get so many names at the Snap minimum price and now i feel like i'm going to fast :td: $1298 is a lot of money right now and the timing is not the best for this kind of spending. At the same time it's a great investment and the risk is low... Still i have mixed feelings about it.

Your thoughts and input are welcomed.

Cheers from a LLLL.com skeptic turned LLLL.com addict :hehe:

I think you did pretty good! (But I like the anti-premiums)

Plenty on your list I'd pay at least $59 and probably a bit more for (funds permitting) too - QVQT, QXYO (almost entirely anti-premium - but beautiful!), PXOZ ...

I'm pretty sure you'll very soon be looking back on this buy as a "wow! lucked out to win a few more than I thought I would!" gift from above. I've come out of some days of tossing bids around with a bit more than I bargained for - flipping many of those now at least 200% sometimes much higher ROI after just a month or 2. (Wish I could hold onto them all - but it's time to pass a few of these gifts along to the next lucky bidder - rent is due!)

 

[Pred]

what should i be expecting for this pronouncable? Sulx.com

i saw pixz.com sold for $2k ish, nice for pics obviously

I feel mine is very memorable as impossible to forget spelling:

SULX.com

 

[italiandragon]

what should i be expecting for this pronouncable? Sulx.com

i saw pixz.com sold for $2k ish, nice for pics obviously

I feel mine is very memorable as impossible to forget spelling:

SULX.com

I`m sorry Arnie, I`m not good to appraise those kind of names ending with the X , I had YILX.com and I got rid of it about 6 months ago for less than reg fee thinking it was a bad one. (it`s not a mistery that I don`t like the X)
But I have learned that English speakers like them.


Anyway there is something interesting to monitor at TDNAM:

the total number of LLLL.com for sale (all categories included , so not only the ones at fixed price but also the ones with make offer or with enourmous asking prices) is reducing constantly.....just keep a look on it, it goes slowly but it decreases every week.
Right now is:

19350


Back on the under $99 BIN section , this is what is left:

qznr.com - 0 $69 76D 9H
uxtn.com - 0 $69 90D 9H
ipjz.com - 0 $69 90D 9H
kudq.com - 0 $75 70D 21H
uqqc.com - 0 $79 90D 9H
xkev.com - 0 $88 69D 1H
xjln.com - 0 $88 69D 1H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 70D 1H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 24D 1H
mfzn.com - 0 $89 90D 9H
hkaq.com - 0 $89 90D 9H



MFZN.com is the only 3 premium under $99.

 

[dag]

what should i be expecting for this pronouncable? Sulx.com

i saw pixz.com sold for $2k ish, nice for pics obviously

I feel mine is very memorable as impossible to forget spelling:

SULX.com

Well, considering it's not just pronounceable, but actually a stylized spelling of a real word, I think it could get over $1000 right now, or at least very close to it. In a case like this, I don't think the "bad" letters matter.

 

[Hopper]

Hi,

I wonder if someone could possibly give me an indication of the value of my LLLL.com's? I realise they have one or 2 poor letters in them but they are mostly prenouncable.

They are:

OZYH (Aussie H?)
OZYJ (Aussie J?)
OZYT (Aussie T?)
OZYV (Aussie V?)
OZZB
OZZD
OZZF
ZOMH (Very prenouncable could be branded?)

Thanks in anticipation.

 

[ssamriga]

I recently sold my OZYL for 125$, so OZYx of yours should be worth around 150$ right now...

 

[Pred]

Well, considering it's not just pronounceable, but actually a stylized spelling of a real word, I think it could get over $1000 right now, or at least very close to it. In a case like this, I don't think the "bad" letters matter.

ok thanks

 

[Hopper]

I recently sold my OZYL for 125$, so OZYx of yours should be worth around 150$ right now...

Cheers,

Did you sell them here on NP?

 

[DomainMagnate]

How would you evaluate "Ron F .com" (I don't want it to get indexed )

 

[ssamriga]

nope, sold at Tdnam, hoped to get higher price there than on Namepros...

 

[italiandragon]

How would you evaluate "Ron F .com" (I don't want it to get indexed )

For all the Ron who surnames start with F......I think the sky is the limit.


For greedy resellers like me:

$700 - $1,200

 

[italiandragon]

I`m sorry Arnie, I`m not good to appraise those kind of names ending with the X , I had YILX.com and I got rid of it about 6 months ago for less than reg fee thinking it was a bad one. (it`s not a mistery that I don`t like the X)
But I have learned that English speakers like them.


Anyway there is something interesting to monitor at TDNAM:

the total number of LLLL.com for sale (all categories included , so not only the ones at fixed price but also the ones with make offer or with enourmous asking prices) is reducing constantly.....just keep a look on it, it goes slowly but it decreases every week.
Right now is:

19350


Back on the under $99 BIN section , this is what is left:

qznr.com - 0 $69 76D 9H
uxtn.com - 0 $69 90D 9H
ipjz.com - 0 $69 90D 9H
kudq.com - 0 $75 70D 21H
uqqc.com - 0 $79 90D 9H
xkev.com - 0 $88 69D 1H
xjln.com - 0 $88 69D 1H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 70D 1H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 24D 1H
mfzn.com - 0 $89 90D 9H
hkaq.com - 0 $89 90D 9H



MFZN.com is the only 3 premium under $99.

and MZFN.com is gone too , now only 10 names under $99