LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

I picked up a CVCY for $100 not so long ago... You aren't looking in the right places if you can't find any under $100.

Sometimes, the best place to look is right here on Namepros. You may surprise yourself with what kind of offers some of the larger LLLL.com holders may be willing to give you if you're willing to buy in bulk. Many of us have 10k+ renewal bills coming our way shortly and the convenience of covering that in just 1 sale certainly is worth giving a discount over.

In my case, I do all my trades over 1k usd by Escrow. Seeing as how most people only want to buy 1k or so, I end up with a whole pile of escrow fees that often amount to 6% ($60) of the transaction. If someone wanted to buy 10k worth and pay by wire, saving me about $500 in escrow fees + $300 in overnight delivery checks, I'd be happy to give them that difference (savings of $800).

Where can you get one for $33? I can't even find LLLL.com under $100 now.

 

[topdaytrader]

How long is the escrow process? Do you need to transfer the domain before you receive the payment?

 

[dag]

Never mind.

 

[vlad74]

Where can you get one for $33? I can't even find LLLL.com under $100 now.

Topdaytrader,

take a look at this thread:LLLL.com under $50 - report fixed offers or auctions ending in 24 hours or less

 

[Shenron]

Wow!

You are totally wrong here...

In a stock sell off the seller is not selling back to the company, he's selling to the market, any bidder can buy those stocks at market price.

The domain sell-off vs. stock sell-off analogy isn't quite appropriate. The difference is this:

In a stock sell-off, the seller is in essence selling the shares back to the company that they came from, and the company has no choice but to buy them back. No outside buyers are necessary.

In a domain sell-off, there needs to be actual buyers on the other end -- therefore, for every domain the seller is selling, there's a domain also being bought. Therefore, there's an equilibrium that keeps the market balanced. And if the buyer happens to get a good deal on a bulk purchase, I don't see that affecting things much, since bulk discounts are common.

Now a better (although still not entirely accurate) analogy in this case, I believe, would be "selling" the domains back to the registrar -- that is, letting them drop completely. And if a huge number of LLLLs dropped with no one buying them back up, THEN that would negatively effect the LLLL market.

I'm not saying that there can't/won't be dips in the LLLL market, but I don't think a big selloff will be a major reason for them.

 

[mwzd]

The essential difference between stocks and domains...

domains are unique, stocks you can buy/sell millions of the same company.

my 0.02

 

[dag]

Wow!

You are totally wrong here...

In a stock sell off the seller is not selling back to the company, he's selling to the market, any bidder can buy those stocks at market price.

Oh yeah...that's what I meant.

I guess that's why I'm a domainer and not a stock investor... :lol:

Nevermind.

 

[KingDon]

The $50 level is here, that member posted six names, and within an hour they were all gone. In 4 more weeks, we could see the beginning of something really crazy; the $100 level being established. By next year these prices will look like steals, who wants to bet?

 

[Shenron]

Not me mate... not me...

If you are right I will pay my entire mortgage with LLLL's :p

 

[DotCN]

When all LLLL.com were regged out, I guess the worst LLLL.com would reach 100$ in half an year(May, 2008). Actually the price goes up much more quickly than what I thought before.

In the last year, I told Chinese domainers that they should register lots of LLLL.coms. I told them LLLL.com would be regged out and would be very profitabe. Very very few of them believed in me. Almost all the experienced domainers didn't believe in me. Only a few newbies follow me and regged some.

Now, more and more Chinese domainers know I was right, and many experienced Chinese domainers began to purchase LLLL.coms............

In the recent few months, there will be more and more domainers realizing value of LLLL.coms, so the price of LLLL.com will go up very quickly in these several months.

It's not a dream that the price of the worst LLLL.com reach 500$ or even 1000$ in one year

 

[vlad74]

The $50 level is here, that member posted six names, and within an hour they were all gone. In 4 more weeks, we could see the beginning of something really crazy; the $100 level being established. By next year these prices will look like steals, who wants to bet?

I think the $100 minimum will be reached in 8 weeks, by the end of March.

I fully agree with you, in 2009 today's $xx prices will look like a steal. Same as $7 prices (from just 3 months ago!) look like a terrible steal now

The train is moving, it is accelerating. Prices will jump by the end of the year. I think it will be a huge jump. Really huge.

Let us look forward and enjoy the ride

 

[RicoShay]

I think the $100 minimum will be reached in 8 weeks, by the end of March.

I fully agree with you, in 2009 today's $xx prices will look like a steal. Same as $7 prices (from just 3 months ago!) look like a terrible steal now

The train is moving, it is accelerating. Prices will jump by the end of the year. I think it will be a huge jump. Really huge.

Let us look forward and enjoy the ride

Yeah I agree on this too, well done to those who hand-reg'd so many of these domains. I only have a handful good ones won at auctions, going to hold them for at least a year or two or more if I can.

 

[italiandragon]

At TDNAM, the few under $99 are just waiting to be picked up:


gqcy.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
ouqw.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
qkoh.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
qkux.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
qznr.com - 0 $69 77D 11H
kudq.com - 0 $75 71D 23H
bczw.com - 0 $79 74D 2H
dmzq.com - 0 $79 74D 2H
zlqb.com - 0 $79 74D 2H
xkev.com - 0 $88 70D 3H
lqqo.com - 0 $88 70D 3H
xjln.com - 0 $88 70D 3H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 71D 3H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 25D 3H



So, given the quality of the above ones and the recent past 10 days sales at Snapnames, we can already set minimun prices for 3 premiums at $120 - $150

While 2 premium letters are quickly getting closer and closer to the $100 mark.

Whatever I see under $60 get`s bought in no time regardless on how ugly they are.

 

[filter]

[...]
Very very few of them believed in me. Almost all the experienced domainers didn't believe in me. Only a few newbies follow me and regged some.

Now, more and more Chinese domainers know I was right, and many experienced Chinese domainers began to purchase LLLL.coms............

In the recent few months, there will be more and more domainers realizing value of LLLL.coms, so the price of LLLL.com will go up very quickly in these several months.

It's not a dream that the price of the worst LLLL.com reach 500$ or even 1000$ in one year

Textbook definition of what market theorists call an "information shock" ...

People who buy into some of the more popular "technical analysis" methods might tend to look at this period in the LLLL.com market as the 3d (strongest) wave of a typical 5-wave pattern. Some interesting reading here ->

http://books.google.com/books?id=PH..._9o1&sig=sDxFiXutE0i588WHpXqlxLGWW9U#PPA74,M1

and here ->

http://books.google.com/books?id=PH...4kW&sig=aqpaEXyRX4U2cxfqbnCbqMdgLyw#PPA302,M1

No, this will not be on the test! :yell:

:hehe:

 

[KingDon]

Nice read Filter, but we're just starting to ride this wave; it's not even 3 months old yet, I'm still waiting for the other side to come aboard. We're far from seeing that day, it might take a year for that to happen.

By then, LLLL's will be liquid assets.

 

[Shasta]

At TDNAM, the few under $99 are just waiting to be picked up:


gqcy.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
ouqw.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
qkoh.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
qkux.com - 0 $69 51D 8H
...........
...........

Well QKOh won't have to wait anymore. :sold:

 

[Shenron]

Only 4 left at $69...

 

[epasaport]

Well QKOh won't have to wait anymore. :sold:

did you buy qkoh.com for $69 ??

 

[Shasta]

did you buy qkoh.com for $69 ??

Yes...I had my eye on it for a few weeks now. However, it always seemed a bit high. However, today it seemed like a pretty good deal. I like it because it's pronounceable....to me at least.... "quick oh." Now it's going to join a few other quick domains I have like QKJO, QKMA and QKHI.

 

[rjs_essex]

There is only 30 names for less than $100... that barrier is very close to being crossed! :tu:

See my quick report here.

Rich