LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[italiandragon]

wow.. am holding on my LLLL.com names now . some of them are premium ones..

i must say that those ppl who had hand regged them when they were available must be rejoicing right now

I was thinking about this just earlier today and thought that if the naysayers (that funny but now have disappeared totally) did not continue to post BS over this beatiful .com niche, I would have invested much more heavily and I could become Millionaire like Reece is going to be.

I choosed to be careful and so I have to keep buying them now before it`s way too late.

 

[rjs_essex]

The problem now is budget. I was finding it easy to buy up bulk quantities of names for $10 a piece. Its a lot harder now to buy in bulk when each name os $50. Plus the problem is I can't offset the cost by selling a few of my own, I just don't want to! I can't help but horde them! :D

Rich

 

[italiandragon]

The problem now is budget. I was finding it easy to buy up bulk quantities of names for $10 a piece. Its a lot harder now to buy in bulk when each name os $50. Plus the problem is I can't offset the cost by selling a few of my own, I just don't want to! I can't help but horde them! :D

Rich

I know, I feel the same but this is happening because they are simply catching up fast on the 1/26 price of LLL.com

It`s up to each one own beliefs to ask yourself: do you believe is going to happen? Do you believe that they are worth 1/26 of LLL.com prices? If yes, then buying at $50 will look like a bargain next year.

Otherwise, save your money and instead of buying 120 LLLL.com , get 1 LLL.com

I see them offering an higher ROI than a crap LLL.com simply because they were very undervalued.

 

[TomB]

The problem now is budget. I was finding it easy to buy up bulk quantities of names for $10 a piece. Its a lot harder now to buy in bulk when each name os $50. Plus the problem is I can't offset the cost by selling a few of my own, I just don't want to! I can't help but horde them! :D

Rich

I'm in the same boat. Can't sell them now, but need money to buy more. It's like the old question about how to get a job without experience and how to get experience without a job.

I feel like an addict, NEED MORE LLLL.coms :hehe:

 

[filter]

[...]

I feel like an addict, NEED MORE LLLL.coms :hehe:

funny ... I was just about to start a new thread about the LLLL epidemic ...

Specifically considering the adictiveness of this "no brainer" 24-7 domainer crack ... it is spreading like wildfire, and there is a dimension above and beyond run-of-the-mill gambling addiction to it.

I am serious.

LLLL is domainer crack. Cheap, instant often utterly meaningless gratification, with some serious money to be made in the trade, and a culture of wanton violence developing around it ...

Not that there's anything wrong with that .... just sayin' ...!

:yell: I CAN QUIT ANYTIME I WANT !!! :yell:

anyone got any of teh raw anti-premium for yer ol' buddy filter here ...? The Norwegian won't even respond to my PMs any more .... I am hurting man ... Only got like 100 left now ... Spooled out all my Q's V's X's and Z's on teh eBay last week ... promised myself I'd stay away from the VCVC's and pronounceables, but .... I dunno man, I just dunno ..... gotta stay in the game.

 

[italiandragon]

funny ... I was just about to start a new thread about the LLLL epidemic ...

Specifically considering the adictiveness of this "no brainer" 24-7 domainer crack ... it is spreading like wildfire, and there is a dimension above and beyond run-of-the-mill gambling addiction to it.

I am serious.

LLLL is domainer crack. Cheap, instant mostly-meaningless gratification, with some serious money to be made in the trade ...

Not that there's anything wrong with that .... just sayin' ....

I CAN QUIT ANYTIME I WANT :yell:

I think we`ll hit the real boom when your average 8 years old boy will ask for his birthday:

""Daddy, Daddy! I want a LLLL.com!!!" :hehe:

 

[DotCN]

what about the following 24 domains. I bought them today.

oxpq(dot)com
ozdq(dot)com
qdze(dot)com
qedw(dot)com
qiyv(dot)com
qjsu(dot)com
qjyo(dot)com
qxza(dot)com
qyiu(dot)com
vucq(dot)com
wqot(dot)com
xigq(dot)com
xqgu(dot)com
yqop(dot)com
zceq(dot)com
zciq(dot)com
zqxo(dot)com
zumq(dot)com
ozwq(dot)com
qozw(dot)com
qzti(dot)com
qzxe(dot)com
xcqi(dot)com
xboq(dot)com

 

[jido]

I get a sinking feeling watching my bank account depleting more and more.... But I can't help it!

Anyone offers professional help here?

 

[filter]

I think we`ll hit the real boom when your average 8 years old boy will ask for his birthday:

""Daddy, Daddy! I want a LLLL.com!!!" :hehe:

well ... actually ... erm ... both my kids (age 18 not 8) have been asking for (and now have) their own LLLL.com now.

 

[vlad74]

only 45 LLLLs left. Only one left for $50 (fwtq.com is not in the list anymore), all others are $69 and above.

it was last call (as it was a week or so ago with $39 level).

Now there is no $50 LLLLs at TDNAM "buy now" anymore :hehe: . Not even $60. :yell: The lowest starts with $69! For how long will such low price be kept?

By the way, I took pdxq.com for $50. :sold:

And I strongly regret now I did not continue to bid on Lorenzo's auctions a week ago. I can not explain now why I did not continue bidding. Looks like a voodoo spell was on everyone participation in the auction, influencing him not to bid.

 

[filter]

what about the following 24 domains. I bought them today.

oxpq(dot)com
ozdq(dot)com
qdze(dot)com
qedw(dot)com
qiyv(dot)com
qjsu(dot)com
qjyo(dot)com
qxza(dot)com
qyiu(dot)com
vucq(dot)com
wqot(dot)com
xigq(dot)com
xqgu(dot)com
yqop(dot)com
zceq(dot)com
zciq(dot)com
zqxo(dot)com
zumq(dot)com
ozwq(dot)com
qozw(dot)com
qzti(dot)com
qzxe(dot)com
xcqi(dot)com
xboq(dot)com

DotCN! :bingo: ... perfect timing .... :lol:

sorry, we were just discussing the addictiveness of LLLL ... Then you show up with this list, like the Budweiser wagon pulling up outside an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting!

The 2 "OZ" pieces stand out, as does Zumq ... I like anti-premiums so the rest appeal to my "contrarian esthetic" but as for current value to most resellers, I think those 3 are the ones that jump out. Will take a closer look at the rest now ... I think there are a few more "pretty good" ones in there actually - ie, current market would price several, maybe most in the list for over $50.

qedw, qiyv - I'd bid on these up to at least $80, probably a bit more if I had the money. Especially qiyv ...

wqot, yqop, zciq, qzti ... I think would see at least upwards of $60 on any of the several good days on eBay last week.

 

[DotCN]

Filter,

Thank you very much for your detailed comment.

They are bought from China market in very low price, so maybe I shall try my best to purchase more

Thanks again.
Bing.

DotCN! :bingo: ... perfect timing .... :lol:

sorry, we were just discussing the addictiveness of LLLL ... Then you show up with this list, like the Budweiser wagon pulling up outside an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting!

The 2 "OZ" pieces stand out, as does Zumq ... I like anti-premiums so the rest appeal to my "contrarian esthetic" but as for current value to most resellers, I think those 3 are the ones that jump out. Will take a closer look at the rest now ... I think there are a few more "pretty good" ones in there actually - ie, current market would price several, maybe most in the list for over $50.

qedw, qiyv - I'd bid on these up to at least $80, probably a bit more if I had the money. Especially qiyv ...

wqot, yqop, zciq, qzti ... I think would see at least upwards of $60 on any of the several good days on eBay last week.

 

[filter]

Filter,

Thank you very much for your detailed comment.

They are bought from China market in very low price, so maybe I shall try my best to purchase more

Thanks again.
Bing.

You're certainly welcome, Bing! and ... should you by any chance find any "pure QVXZ" uber-anti-premium combos while you are shopping, please do let me know - I've got $50 here waiting to add another one to my collection ...!

 

[vlad74]

well ... actually ... erm ... both my kids (age 18 not 8) have been asking for (and now have) their own LLLL.com now.

LOL

 

[italiandragon]

well ... actually ... erm ... both my kids (age 18 not 8) have been asking for (and now have) their own LLLL.com now.

wise kids if you ask me

They may trade their 1 LLLL.com for a cheap car or a second hand scooter later

I get a sinking feeling watching my bank account depleting more and more.... But I can't help it!

Anyone offers professional help here?

I solved that problem in this way:

my wife has control over the normal bank account (bills/salary/shopping/etc)

while I control the online business bank account (domain purchases falls into this account) so once this is empty....THAT`S IT

 

[filter]

wise kids if you ask me

They may trade their 1 LLLL.com for a cheap car or a second hand scooter later

They were originally interested in owning shares of stocks ... I told them that I knew of a much better long-term investment that they could even enjoy some quite a bit of practical use from right away, with likely exponential appreciation in value over the long term as the ratio of supply to demand tilts over the edge in the years to come. Response: "oh ... whatever, that sounds cool! I want one! I want one!" So ... I put them to work figuring out acronyms - after just a few minutes one came up with the "Puzzling Web Quiz Games" for PWQG (now being auctioned on eBay). They're also learning to speak Mandarin (language elective) in school now ... so maybe they can help me with my anti-premiums one day too! Good kids!

I solved that problem in this way:

my wife has control over the normal bank account (bills/salary/shopping/etc)

while I control the online business bank account (domain purchases falls into this account) so once this is empty....THAT`S IT

I took a slightly different approach ... my LLLL.com collection now is my bank account. PayPal is my online ATM.

:lol:

 

[thetruman]

I took a slightly different approach ... my LLLL.com collection now is my bank account. PayPal is my online ATM.

:lol:

It sounds like a good quote to put on a LLLL selling website

 

[italiandragon]

They were originally interested in owning shares of stocks ... I told them that I knew of a much better long-term investment that they could even enjoy some quite a bit of practical use from right away, with likely exponential appreciation in value over the long term as the ratio of supply to demand tilts over the edge in the years to come. Response: "oh ... whatever, that sounds cool! I want one! I want one!" So ... I put them to work figuring out acronyms - after just a few minutes one came up with the "Puzzling Web Quiz Games" for PWQG (now being auctioned on eBay). They're also learning to speak Mandarin (language elective) in school now ... so maybe they can help me with my anti-premiums one day too! Good kids!

I took a slightly different approach ... my LLLL.com collection now is my bank account. PayPal is my online ATM.

:lol:

Puzzling Web Quiz Games ??? :o

Can I borrow your kids skills sometimes?

If they learn Mandarin, that`s a very good move! The new freshly elected Australian Prime Minister speaks Mandarin very well and even Chinese are impressed when he goes there he does not need an interpreter.

 

[duceman]

I've got 2 for evaluation.

HGHj.com

5 years old w/1 drop. It gets clicks for HGH but also has some traffic from Korea looking for something.


NKAW.com First reg-ed in 2001 one drop

thoughts??

 

[italiandragon]

I've got 2 for evaluation.

HGHj.com

5 years old w/1 drop. It gets clicks for HGH but also has some traffic from Korea looking for something.


NKAW.com First reg-ed in 2001 one drop

thoughts??

HGHJ.com $100 - $150


NKAW.com $80 - $130