LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[italiandragon]

AYNL .com is at $255 on eBay and still 6 hours to go....got to watch this one.

 

[rjs_essex]

AYNL .com is at $255 on eBay and still 6 hours to go....got to watch this one.

I guess its probably becasue it sounds like 'anal' :o

 

[italiandragon]

I guess its probably becasue it sounds like 'anal' :o

or maybe because ending in NL (Netherland) ?

 

[timmaay]

thought i might get a little more than i did for aynl but was happy overall with the sale.


I am thinkin of selling:
g e w b {.} com - ignore the fact it's a site. What do you think would be a good asking price for this name?

 

[italiandragon]

thought i might get a little more than i did for aynl but was happy overall with the sale.


I am thinkin of selling:
g e w b {.} com - ignore the fact it's a site. What do you think would be a good asking price for this name?

Just to let you know that my evaluation for all premium letters has now a minimun of $300 (anything below $300 get sold in no time) and this is based on last 10 days of increased activity in this niche.

You guys can just watch the last hours of 2 all premiums @ SNAP:

FAHL.com $575

RDME.com $550


AND BOTH WITH STILL 5 HOURS TO GO

 

[dag]

Just to let you know that my evaluation for all premium letters has now a minimun of $300 (anything below $300 get sold in no time) and this is based on last 10 days of increased activity in this niche.

You guys can just watch the last hours of 2 all premiums @ SNAP:

FAHL.com $575

RDME.com $550


AND BOTH WITH STILL 5 HOURS TO GO

And BNMS.com is at NameJet at $710 with 3 hours left!

 

[-REECE-]

Prices like this sure make me happy that I picked up a few quad premiums back in the $200 days

And BNMS.com is at NameJet at $710 with 3 hours left!

 

[Shenron]

I'd love to hear some appraisals for HHOY.com

Triple Premium + Y
Double H
Pronounceable

Hoy means Today in Spanish

Any comments?

 

[Alex]

HHOY - $200+

I feel so bad now for selling my GGOY at the end of the last year for $50 ....

 

[Andrei P.]

Can anyone find a 5-6 year old thread with similar LLL.com discussion at any forum? I want to study history

 

[KingDon]

I can't even remember the old forum's name, long before NP and DN. I wish Lotsofissues was still around, that guy was fun, and he knew his S**T.

 

[jido]

Not the right time to ask, but how would you have valued the following one week ago?

QYRO
UVYB

Just for the record, qyro reminds me of pyro(technics) and chiro(practice). And vyb is used in the music/clubbing world for "vibe".

 

[filter]

Not the right time to ask, but how would you have valued the following one week ago?

QYRO
UVYB

Just for the record, qyro reminds me of pyro(technics) and chiro(practice). And vyb is used in the music/clubbing world for "vibe".

Very nice - mid $xxxx certainly possible for these IMO - maybe low $xxxx "reseller" price. I guess UVYB might be looking more at mid $xxx reseller though, just because of the VCVC rather than CVCV and the "3 bad letters" nonsense.

 

[Kamloops]

what about iGif.com

 

[xman]

HHOY - $200+

I feel so bad now for selling my GGOY at the end of the last year for $50 ....

I was in the buying spree at the end of 2008.

Anything that caught my eyes that were worth $40 - $300 end up being in my collection box and GGOY being one of them

 

[italiandragon]

Not much under $100 left at TDNAM, only 46 names most of them at least $75 and most of them having only 1 or 2 premium letters.....it should not take longer than 2 months to see $100 for each LLLL :imho:


pdxq.com - 0 $50 14D 10H
fwtq.com - 0 $50 14D 10H
gqcy.com - 0 $69 52D 5H
ouqw.com - 0 $69 52D 5H
qkoh.com - 0 $69 52D 5H
qkux.com - 0 $69 52D 5H
qznr.com - 0 $69 78D 9H
kudq.com - 0 $75 72D 20H
ufqe.com - 0 $75 72D 20H
iuxk.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
ouxk.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
uexk.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
uoxk.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
ykhe.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
ykhu.com - 0 $75 77D 8H
bczw.com - 0 $79 74D 23H
dmzq.com - 0 $79 74D 23H
zlqb.com - 0 $79 74D 23H
xkev.com - 0 $88 71D 1H
lqqo.com - 0 $88 71D 1H
xjln.com - 0 $88 71D 1H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 72D 1H
bpuq.com - 0 $89 71D 1H
vuzx.com - 0 $89 54D 1H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 26D 1H
kuxr.com - 0 $89 28D 8H
kuxb.com - 0 $89 54D 11H
hzul.com - 0 $89 84D 0H
vuxn.com - 0 $89 88D 21H
ovxd.com - 2 $99 3D 1H
fzaq.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
grvz.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
pxvq.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
tcyv.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
vbxf.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
vfnx.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
vmvq.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
xvpo.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
zbxo.com - 0 $99 52D 5H
vjhz.com - 1 $99 63D 22H
txvm.com - 1 $99 65D 16H
txvb.com - 0 $99 65D 17H
rgwy.com - 0 $99 74D 23H
tzlx.com - 0 $99 74D 23H
mqea.com - 0 $99 89D 16H
pzna.com - 4 $100 12D 1H

 

[r3born]

Can you please evaluate:
ppoq.com
bqab.com
Thanks

 

[vlad74]

Not much under $100 left at TDNAM, only 46 names most of them at least $75 and most of them having only 1 or 2 premium letters.....it should not take longer than 2 months to see $100 for each LLLL :imho:

only 45 LLLLs left. Only one left for $50 (fwtq.com is not in the list anymore), all others are $69 and above.

 

[italiandragon]

Can you please evaluate:
ppoq.com
bqab.com
Thanks

$100 - $120 each one

Expected value within 6 months: $200 - $250

 

[champ_rock]

$100 - $120 each one

Expected value within 6 months: $200 - $250

wow.. am holding on my LLLL.com names now . some of them are premium ones..

i must say that those ppl who had hand regged them when they were available must be rejoicing right now