LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

Lovin' it!

Just picked up avyl.com today for $124 -- I'm happy! :sold:

 

[markfromslo]

Please tell me how would pronounce this name? Either tell me what it rhymes with or spell it phonetically. I don't think you can say this to someone have ask then to write down the letters, and have them do it correctly.

I don't think the "phone test" is increasingly important. More people lately doing business on the phone? That isn't right, more people are doing business on the net.

The x is extremely tough to pronounce in xiza specially if you're used to saying it like x-ray.

Coch on the other hand would easily pass the phone test, which I think is getting increasingly important for short domains (llll-lllll).

Just my 0.02

 

[filter]

Please tell me how would pronounce this name? Either tell me what it rhymes with or spell it phonetically. I don't think you can say this to someone have ask then to write down the letters, and have them do it correctly.

I don't think the "phone test" is increasingly important. More people lately doing business on the phone? That isn't right, more people are doing business on the net.

personally I like the esthetics of XIZA and have no problem pronouncing it: KZEEZA

however ... have to recognize the power of the COCH (pronounced KOTCH or KOK, depending ...) in this matchup.
Over 1,000,000 Google results including high-value acronyms, last names, locations ...

compared with about 37,000 Google results for XIZA ... a beach resort in Turkey, some usernames ...

Both good ...

COCH probably much better $$$ potential. End-users for this one might not be very interested in much else by way of alternatives. (MyCoch in particular would be especially ill-advised, LOL!)

XIZA a decent, maybe not great but good enough brandable - will be competing with another 10,000 or so "brandable" CVCV if potential end user wants to shop around a bit ... But yes it does roll off the tongue a bit better than ... heh.

BTW, the "phone test" is also known as "radio test" ... nothing to do with doing business over the phone.

Variety of opinions makes a healthy, robust market. One point of view may make more sense to you - that's great, you've found a niche you like and can probably do very well by focusing on making the most of it, with the passion of your faith etc ... But that doesn't make every alternative point of view "wrong" ... really depends on where you're coming from. And more people are going to be coming from some very different places as this market grows. Enjoy!

:imho:

 

[markfromslo]

Good points Filter.

But unless an organization needs the acronym, the "sounds like" c*ck (your pronunciation KOK) makes it sounds x-rated.

 

[filter]

X-rated not necessarily a bad thing ... different strokes, so to speak.

(I wonder what insights Ed Koch, ex-mayor of NYC, might have to offer on the subject ... though I think his name was (usually) pronounced KOTCH)

Sometimes just have to shrug off the connotation, and hope that others will hear it differently ... (case in point - my line noise portfolio had a 'VD' combo in the mix I was concerned might give pause ... but sold to a buyer in India, no problem. Maybe 'VD' carries idea of "vedic" more than "venereal" there ...)

It's a big market - lots of opportunities for pleasant surprises, and it's too easy to overlook some good ones sometimes. Though definitely a good idea to consider all the angles as much as you can, for better or for worse ...

 

[ssamriga]

lol, that's another one I forgot to bid on
put my initial bid, waited for it to close soon, and then forgot

congrats on quite a nice name!

Just picked up avyl.com today for $124 -- I'm happy! :sold:

 

[Coopey]

have to recognize the power of the COCH (pronounced KOTCH or KOK, depending ...)

Coch is Welsh for Red. In Wales even the majority non-Welsh (English) speakers easily recognise the word as it's common in place names (There are lots of place names in Wales, and a few elsewhere around Britain with Coch in them) so it doesn't really sound rude to speakers of either language.
We pronounce it very much like 'cork' but where you make the 'r' sound in cork, you don't use your tongue, making it shorter and softer.

Personally I'd take this over xiza any day of the week.

 

[vlad74]

yzik.com. just won it on sedo. would you call it cvcv and pronouncible? I think it is even a name, but rather rare one.

 

[Andrei P.]

yzik.com. just won it on sedo. would you call it cvcv and pronouncible? I think it is even a name, but rather rare one.

AFAIK:

ONYX, LYNX - pronounceable is vowel
YANI, YAVA - pronounceable is consonant
BUSY, LADY - pronounceable is vowel
FLY, DRY, CRY - pronounceable
SLRY, DMRY - unpronounceable.


YZIK isn't pronouncable in English IMHO. But in some languages I think it is pronouncable but I think this is not worth.

 

[vlad74]

AFAIK:

ONYX, LYNX - pronounceable is vowel
YANI, YAVA - pronounceable is consonant
BUSY, LADY - pronounceable is vowel
FLY, DRY, CRY - pronounceable
SLRY, DMRY - unpronounceable.


YZIK isn't pronouncable in English IMHO. But in some languages I think it is pronouncable but I think this is not worth.

Andrei, thanks. Looks like it was not very good deal for me then

 

[italiandragon]

On TDNAM not much at BIN , this is all what is offered under $75 :


mzkh.com - 0 $39 74D 8H
fzwf.com - 0 $39 79D 10H
fkiq.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
gqcy.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
jqvm.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
ouqw.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
ouwq.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
pxvq.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
qkoh.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
qkux.com - 0 $49 63D 23H
ckxp.com - 0 $50 24D 18H
pdxq.com - 0 $50 26D 4H
fwtq.com - 0 $50 26D 4H
mwxg.com - 0 $50 26D 8H
fzaq.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
grvz.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
mkcq.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
tcyv.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
vbxf.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
vfnx.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
vmvq.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
xvpo.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
zbxo.com - 0 $59 63D 23H
kuxc.com - 0 $59 66D 5H
pxnm.com - 1 $59 70D 16H
bpuq.com - 0 $69 82D 18H
wkvc.com - 1 $69 2D 18H
kuxb.com - 0 $69 66D 5H

 

[vlad74]

When will someone finally take

mzkh.com - 0 $39 74D 8H
fzwf.com - 0 $39 79D 10H
?????????????

These two names distort the whole statistic. If they are not taken in 5 minutes, I will do it!

 

[italiandragon]

When will someone finally take

mzkh.com - 0 $39 74D 8H
fzwf.com - 0 $39 79D 10H
?????????????

These two names distort the whole statistic. If they are not taken in 5 minutes, I will do it!

actually fzwf is not bad at all compared to the ones I see selling on ebay for $60 these days.....similar to my

TYVT which sold today for $109 , I guess that eBayers don`t know TDNAM.

 

[vlad74]

actually fzwf is not bad at all compared to the ones I see selling on ebay for $60 these days.....similar to my

TYVT which sold today for $109 , I guess that eBayers don`t know TDNAM.

estibot asesses fzwf.com for $90. I think it is a good deal for $39 then
http://estibot.com/results.php?domain=fzwf.com

by the way, I took it.

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Well, you had you chance, I gave you even 40 minutes. Now both names are gone.

By the way, mz kh provide 200,000 search results in german google, mz and kh are neighboring regions in germany, and there are lots of advertising or searching for both these regions, so it might be a good site for local ads. http://www.google.at/search?q=mz+kh&hl=de&lr=lang_de|lang_en|lang_ru&start=10&sa=N

 

[Andrei P.]

Andy domain under 45$ is a bargain todays

 

[ssamriga]

ozyl.com is at 99$ on Tdnam with 5 hours to go.

 

[markfromslo]

You can't use estibot for name valuation. Even humans can't get it right, let alone computer programs.

For example, a sale I made today. A few months ago I paid $25 for PeerNews.com and today sold it for $2,000 net to me. What does estibot say? $290. I've got several that are shown as reg fee that have brought in high hundreds to several thousands.

estibot asesses fzwf.com for $90. I think it is a good deal for $39 then
http://estibot.com/results.php?domain=fzwf.com

by the way, I took it.

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Well, you had you chance, I gave you even 40 minutes. Now both names are gone.

By the way, mz kh provide 200,000 search results in german google, mz and kh are neighboring regions in germany, and there are lots of advertising or searching for both these regions, so it might be a good site for local ads. http://www.google.at/search?q=mz+kh&hl=de&lr=lang_de|lang_en|lang_ru&start=10&sa=N

 

[CHILLY]

Andy domain under 45$ is a bargain todays

Yes have three left in the make an offer forum at BIN $35.00, I'll shoot myself in the foot later.

 

[vlad74]

Yes have three left in the make an offer forum at BIN $35.00, I'll shoot myself in the foot later.

I looked at your post, but everything is sold there already

 

[jido]

Andy domain under 45$ is a bargain todays

I don't want to believe that.

In my experience low-quality LLLL.com (3 non-premium) sell at $25 today...