LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

Most definitely!

Now if I had 1/4 of his writing ability... Still get a good laugh reading his anti-premium auctions

Alot of thought goes into every one of filter's posts. I think Filter is an asset to namepros.

 

[italiandragon]

:yell:

I have to edit myself a lot sometimes!

Thanks, Antonio (Off to go look for your blog ...)

ehm......no Antonio is not me....and the Blog is under construction

 

[filter]

Thanks for the kind words Dan and Reece ...!

Have to say NamePros has been a great asset (and creative outlet, LOL!) for me lately. I wish it had been around in 2000 when I was regging hundreds of great names head-over-heels with no idea what to do with them ... Then got distracted by need to hyper-focus on the day job and other facts of life in late 2001 in lower Manhattan ... Ended up letting them all drop. Good stuff like "ituner.net" (this was before Apple came out with iTunes, mind you!) A few months ago I decided to try to reg a couple of the sillier ones again ... AND NINE OUT OF TEN WERE REGGED AND PARKED! I figured maybe better get back into the game if I ever wanted to get any of my old names back ...! Better late than never ...

Also feeling a bit passionate today - first time I've sold a domain for over $100, hopefully won't be the last ...! NP been very very good to me

 

[-REECE-]

Congrats Filter!

I prefer quantity over quality myself. Sold 1 name @ $400 this year, everything else is < $50. I've made 50 sales so far this year, and most for $30-$40 per. Don't discount the potential of those little sales! They can really add up

Thanks for the kind words Dan and Reece ...!

Have to say NamePros has been a great asset (and creative outlet, LOL!) for me lately. I wish it had been around in 2000 when I was regging hundreds of great names head-over-heels with no idea what to do with them ... Then got distracted by need to hyper-focus on the day job and other facts of life in late 2001 in lower Manhattan ... Ended up letting them all drop. Good stuff like "ituner.net" (this was before Apple came out with iTunes, mind you!) A few months ago I decided to try to reg a couple of the sillier ones again ... AND NINE OUT OF TEN WERE REGGED AND PARKED! I figured maybe better get back into the game if I ever wanted to get any of my old names back ...! Better late than never ...

Also feeling a bit passionate today - first time I've sold a domain for over $100, hopefully won't be the last ...! NP been very very good to me

 

[Soofi]

iJGV.COM at ebay sold for $174.50

 

[-REECE-]

That was yours, wasn't it Jay?

<sarcasm>I guess names with more than 1 non-premium letter might stand a chance afterall </sarcasm> :hehe:

iJGV.COM at ebay sold for $174.50

 

[jido]

I`m surprised, it`s going fast.

It looks like TDNAM is rising the minimun value of LLLL.com to already $39 for absolutely the ugliest ones.

Are we there already? I will start selling my bad letters if they go at that price.

:sold:

 

[thetruman]

I noticed that LLLL ending with a Y or an O are overperforming for some reason...

 

[Alex]

I noticed that LLLL ending with a Y or an O are overperforming for some reason...

Those ending in O are great acronyms since O can stand well for Online. ABC Online etc.

So it is a good substitute for any LLL company acronym

 

[-REECE-]

Exactly. I've been saying for awhile now that names with certain starting or ending letters are severely underpriced. Just look at the frequency analysis on my blog... Some starting letters/ending letters sell much, much better than others -- and it's not just a premium/non-premium issue - some of the premiums with a certain starting or ending letter outsell other premiums 2:1, 3:1, 4:1...

Those ending in O are great acronyms since O can stand well for Online. ABC Online etc.

So it is a good substitute for any LLL company acronym

 

[bricio]

I've never sold an LLLL.com for a loss nor do I intend on ever doing it. If prices fall, use that as an opportunity to buy more, not sell out.

great advice Reece :tu:

Alot of thought goes into every one of filter's posts. I think Filter is an asset to namepros.

you are totally right

 

[vlad74]

WOW! Not even 4 hours later and another 15 are gone!


Search returned 99 listings


I feel the heating under the LLLL.com

Hold them tight guys, it`s just going to be a bautiful 2008 and it`s just started!

Search returned 92 listings

and just 4 at $39

 

[Soofi]

lol Reece, it was very well mine
I've been doing some good business in 4 letter dot coms form last 15 odd days wit an avg of $100 profit daily.. I tell you money is good but to make heavy money try avoiding domains wit Q X Z, and at times W as well. They matter the most in American English!!

That was yours, wasn't it Jay?

<sarcasm>I guess names with more than 1 non-premium letter might stand a chance afterall </sarcasm> :hehe:

 

[italiandragon]

Search returned 92 listings

and just 4 at $39

yep, people are vacuming pretty fast.

And it`s just scary how badly they are fighting over a quite low quality CVCV.com at SEDO right now. It`s over $2,000 with more than 30 bids and 8 hours to go.

 

[bro]

yep, people are vacuming pretty fast.

And it`s just scary how badly they are fighting over a quite low quality CVCV.com at SEDO right now. It`s over $2,000 with more than 30 bids and 8 hours to go.

Hey lorenzo whats wrong with VCVC.Com's because I havent seen any significant price rise in that pattern while they are also prnounceable. just saw a bad letter combo vcvc gone for just $99, seller was in hurry I guess and buyer had great bargain in that case imo

 

[vatsan]

yep, people are vacuming pretty fast.

And it`s just scary how badly they are fighting over a quite low quality CVCV.com at SEDO right now. It`s over $2,000 with more than 30 bids and 8 hours to go.

Hey lorenzo whats wrong with VCVC.Com's because I havent seen any significant price rise in that pattern while they are also prnounceable. just saw a bad letter combo vcvc gone for just $99, seller was in hurry I guess and buyer had great bargain in that case imo

Well 2000bucks for a CVCV just dont sound very convincing to me!

 

[bro]

Well 2000bucks for a CVCV just dont sound very convincing to me!

I hate CVCV so lets talk about VCVC

 

[italiandragon]

Hey lorenzo whats wrong with VCVC.Com's because I havent seen any significant price rise in that pattern while they are also prnounceable. just saw a bad letter combo vcvc gone for just $99, seller was in hurry I guess and buyer had great bargain in that case imo

I think it`s a psicological problem.

I sold OZUD.com at Sedo for $330 while here I won`t get more than $70 at that time.

Now for example I have NUQE.com here and only got one $600 offer that I refused , buyer bought a worse CVCV with Q and X as consonants for 600 , the one at SEDO now getting more than $2,000 is YUSU , , we have seen other Comparable sales of CVCV going over $2,000 lately quite easily but my NUQE is not appreciated by NP market.
I must assume that:
1) SEDO has more and better buyers

or

2) when a name is at SEDO or TDNAM auctions , there is a psicological factor that pushes people to their buying limits.

Same for VCVC , not many offered around anyway.

I think that as Reece said, many domainers are still "TDVR.com un-educated" :td:

 

[bro]

Yeah thats right TDVR education should be imposed on all new investors of four letter domain names, and this is also true that people dont dare to make high offers on forum while they would hand over their wallets to SEDO and Tdnam. in that case of NUQE I hope you get no buyer for next 5-6 months so that way you can get the real huge ROI from your cvcv
People arent offering vcvc maybe because of no big sales of vcvc so far and a fear of giving up their gem for cheap.. :td:

 

[bricio]

Hey lorenzo whats wrong with VCVC.Com's because I havent seen any significant price rise in that pattern while they are also prnounceable. just saw a bad letter combo vcvc gone for just $99, seller was in hurry I guess and buyer had great bargain in that case imo

theres niothing wrong with VCVC Netizen...
the must right now are CVCV and premium ones; they are just forgotten
my advice for those who have them is to sit on them now and wait for 6 months

in that case of NUQE I hope you get no buyer for next 5-6 months so that way you can get the real huge ROI from your cvcv
People arent offering vcvc maybe because of no big sales of vcvc so far and a fear of giving up their gem for cheap.. :td:

you are right Netizen!!!