LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[ssamriga]

I am seriously thinking to put all my names back in a cupboard and see what I have in about 3 to 5 years.......just imagine:

LLL.com selling for $100,000 each
LLLL.com selling for $1,000 each
L-L-L.com selling for $5,000 each
and maybe by that time, someone will start the LLLLL.com countdown seriously , because the internet users will have increased from the 1.3 billion of today to the 3 Billion mark.....

well, don't be too optimistic.
i, of course hope too that LLLL and L-L-L will greatly increase in value, because most of my portfolio consists of these, but making too good projections doesn't help making wise business decisions.

I think 3-4 years LLLLs and L-L-Ls (worst, and low quality) won't have reached the prices you mention, maybe half of that amount...

 

[srisri24]

LLL.com selling for $100,000 each
LLLL.com selling for $1,000 each
L-L-L.com selling for $5,000 each

I am great believer in LLLL.com and invested a lot in it. And i am sure LLLL.coms may go well over 100 in another one year. But i dont see much potential for L-L-L and i think it will not be more than LLLL.com.

If worst LLLL.com sells for $100, Worst L-L-L will sell only for $50 not $5000

 

[bricio]

I am great believer in LLLL.com and invested a lot in it. And i am sure LLLL.coms may go well over 100 in another one year. But i dont see much potential for L-L-L and i think it will not be more than LLLL.com.

If worst LLLL.com sells for $100, Worst L-L-L will sell only for $50 not $5000

to start i need to say i have about 100 LLLL.com and 100 L-L-L.com so i want both go as much as possible in the future

we have to keep in mind there are 456,976 LLLL.com and 35,152 L-L-L.com plus LLL.com what means 17,576 each... there is a thread here in NP talking about developed L-L-L.com and they are 25% of them... LLL.com are at least $6,000 now and this means that isnt everybody that has this ammount of money to buy one if the acronym this person/company wants is available, as 50-60% of LLL.com are in end-users hands

i just put these here as we have to remember the definition of scarcity and how this can be important in domaining, especially in short names... BTW, there is another great thread showing why small names will have their value increasing over the years

yes, maybe Lorenzo is too optimistic but i see no problem in being so as i will wait to see how my names will be sold for in 3-5 years

 

[filter]

well, don't be too optimistic.
i, of course hope too that LLLL and L-L-L will greatly increase in value, because most of my portfolio consists of these, but making too good projections doesn't help making wise business decisions.

I think 3-4 years LLLLs and L-L-Ls (worst, and low quality) won't have reached the prices you mention, maybe half of that amount...

good advice - "hope for the best but plan for the worst" - but IMO "half that amount" is still pretty good (and maybe also a bit optimistic for the "anti-premiums") ... keep expectations on the low side, and you'll seldom be disappointed, only pleasantly surprised. (That's the "earnings expectations" game that companies play to keep stock market analysts excited - when they then report actual earnings a few cents per share higher than expected, their share prices usually spike ... even though market players know it's a bit of a ruse ... hence the saying "buy on the rumour, sell on the news")

in the long run, you want to be able to stay in the game no matter what unexpected prices come your way from both directions. So, calculate the risk you can afford to take as best you can at the time you are buying, and be happy knowing that you played it safe and smart and came out even a bit farther ahead than you planned - and you're still in the game. Otherwise, may as well just buy lottery tickets!

Prices can (and will, from time to time, if only briefly IMO) go down suddenly ... anticipate this correctly - and you can then see a great buying opportunity, rather than a panic causing you to dump your most precious assets in an "everything I believed was a foolish delusion" agonizing reappraisal state of shock.

I'll be very happy if prices for anti-premium LLLL.com hit $50 in a year, and $500 in 5 years - that will surpass my expectations nicely. I'll be reasonably content (and just a bit disappointed, but still solvent) if a year from now prices for my anti-premiums manage to hold above $20 after the "great drop of garbage" that the doubters (still?) expect. Long run fundamentals are strong for many reasons, so in the unlikely event that prices go down, well I'll still be happy - to have the second chance to pick up some more nice ones at sane prices ...

 

[mwzd]

I've been noting an uptrend in domain prices on ebay.

Earlier you could get a decent domain for $20 or less. Now the good ones go for $50 or more.

Though good LLLL.coms are not hitting the three figures yet.

 

[bricio]

Though good LLLL.coms are not hitting the three figures yet.

good you are referring to are those with 3 premium letters, am i correct?
if so, it is just a matter of time :hehe:

 

[timmaay]

I think you will be waiting for a long time for "zqwx" type names to reach $75 much less XXX.

I would be willing to bet that LLLL's will once again be able to be "found in the wild" within a year - year and half.

 

[vlad74]

How would you evaluate these double letter names:

pqqc.com, vnnq.com, tqqb.com, xllq.com?

 

[bricio]

How would you evaluate these double letter names:

pqqc.com, vnnq.com, tqqb.com, xllq.com?

names with double letters are good ones but all names you own have at least one "Q" or "X" what hurt their value a little bit but if you hand reg'd them you already have a profit...
i would say now at least $30-40 for each

 

[Sameh]

How would you evaluate these double letter names:

pqqc.com, vnnq.com, tqqb.com, xllq.com?

Some similar sales on NamePros :

azzg.com $45 / Nov 4
rqql.com $30 / Nov 7
xttw.com $23 / Nov 14
pvvl.com $24 / Nov 18
pvve.com $50 / Nov 21
emmj.com $75 / Nov 22
vccx.com $66 / Nov 23


I hope it help.

 

[Andrei P.]

This is how I evaluate LLLL.com

pqqc.com IMHO is worse than for example pmqc.com because pqqc.com contains two bad letters while pmqc.com contain only one bad letter. pmqc is around 19$. pqqc.com is about so or less. LLLL.coms are mainly to be used as acronyms unless its brandable. In brandables double letters will add value in the middle on in the end.
For example pqqc.com can't be brandable while oqqi.com is pronouncable and thus brandable and thus double QQ is nice here. Or for example zidd.com is much more expensive than zidr.com but kkto isn't much more valuable than jkto.com

However double premium letters would add +10-30% of value. So if xldq.com is ~12$ then xllq.com would be ~15$-17$

Triple letters is quite another thing. Even bad tripple letters multiply its value. For example ZYYY.com is a nice pice. Perhaps $60-$100. However while they are popular among domainers I think their worthless for end users. They are like collectibles not more. triple premium letters are good both as collectible items and as domains for end users. For example DDWD.com.

 

[bricio]

For example ZYYY.com is a nice pice. Perhaps $60-$100

Ergo, i am ssuming you are telling ZYYY.com has its value between $60 and $100
if so, i dont agree with you... how do you think VYYY.com is worth?

i wont quote all your post but i think eg.domains' and my appraisals are more realistic as eg.domains posted some recent sales of similar names

 

[SJM211]

Triple letters is quite another thing. Even bad tripple letters multiply its value. For example ZYYY.com is a nice pice. Perhaps $60-$100. However while they are popular among domainers I think their worthless for end users. They are like collectibles not more. triple premium letters are good both as collectible items and as domains for end users. For example DDWD.com.

Even "bad" triple repeated letter combinations have been selling for at least $200 recently - often significantly more. vyyy.com is currently at namejet for $310.00 and the auction only started today. By the way the I own ddwd.com - glad you like it

 

[Andrei P.]

If you are talking about VYYY.com that's at NameJet - it's price is really overvalued. I wouldn't pay 310$ for it. It doesn't have end user. Investment for resale - yes. Imaginary U4D.com has. VYYY.com is ugly. Tell me please what acronym can be used for VYYY.com? What type of company can purchase VYYY.com for $2000-$4000?

By the way the I own ddwd.com - glad you like it

The world of LLLL.com is very small Only 456976 domains

 

[SJM211]

It's just about supply and demand - people are willing to pay that much for them so therefore that's what they're worth. Are they good investments? Who knows, I certainly like them and think they have a strong future.

 

[italiandragon]

I think you will be waiting for a long time for "zqwx" type names to reach $75 much less XXX.

I would be willing to bet that LLLL's will once again be able to be "found in the wild" within a year - year and half.

Hi , I`m willing to bet the opposite.....so what do we bet?

Ergo, have a look at these "last 12 hours sales" at Ebay:


JGRV.com $52.00 ( with J & V)

DCXG.com $38.50 (X)

OUBP.com $91.00 (U)

VJUP.com $66.00 (V , J & U)

 

[cache]

I own DWDD.com, inform me when you sell your domain,
maybe we can give the buyer a package deal so that the
typo does not go to the competitors.

Even "bad" triple repeated letter combinations have been selling for at least $200 recently - often significantly more. vyyy.com is currently at namejet for $310.00 and the auction only started today. By the way the I own ddwd.com - glad you like it

 

[Andrei P.]

Hi , I`m willing to bet the opposite.....so what do we bet?
Ergo, have a look at these "last 12 hours sales" at Ebay:
JGRV.com $52.00 ( with J & V)
DCXG.com $38.50 (X)
OUBP.com $91.00 (U)
VJUP.com $66.00 (V , J & U)

Every sale has some underwater reasons for the price. Sometimes it's only bubbles from those who don't want to miss cheap buyout of LLLL.com withing first months.
Sometimes, the reasons can be previous history of domain, domain traffic, links to domains, availability of developed domains at .net, .org, .info and country domains.

DCXG.com $38.50 - I would say this is not so high price for this X containing domain becase it is DC eXchanGe. XG - is a very common abbreviation for Exchange. I have one EXGb.com EXG - is the best abbreviation for Exchange but XG is still also very good. But for the others you are right, prices seem to climb higher and higher.

 

[buckshotdots]

Every sale has some underwater reasons for the price. Sometimes it's only bubbles from those who don't want to miss cheap buyout of LLLL.com withing first months.
Sometimes, the reasons can be previous history of domain, domain traffic, links to domains, availability of developed domains at .net, .org, .info and country domains.

DCXG.com $38.50 - I would say this is not so high price for this X containing domain becase it is DC eXchanGe. XG - is a very common abbreviation for Exchange. I have one EXGb.com EXG - is the best abbreviation for Exchange but XG is still also very good. But for the others you are right, prices seem to climb higher and higher.

I can't seem to find the posts on people talking/buying RXxx on TDnam. I think Ergo, where you buying them? Maybe Reece as well? I picked up RXRU for RX Russia? Anyone have comments on that one?

thanks in advance, Gary.

 

[Andrei P.]

No, I didn't bid for any more RXLL.com domains. RXRU... RXRU.com is very bad domain for russian prescription medicine site.