LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

ataz.com ended at $705.. I've expected a bit more, but still not so bad.
Will see if the transaction goes through heh

Grats on the sale

Still baffles me that someone would pay $300+ for a LNL.com and yet pay only roughly double for something like ataz.com...

The entire market is severely undervalued IMHO (although I guess that might seem biased coming from a guy with 1500+ LLLL.coms ).

I just look at this:

1. 3 character .coms fetching $300+
2. LLL.mobis fetching $150+ (a 3 letter .mobi is better than a 4 letter .com ?!?!?)
3. ghastly LLL.coms routinely fetching 6-7k -- and that pronounceable of yours has at least 10 times the odds of finding an enduser!
4. don't forget about LLL.nets... I haven't seen many enduser LLL.net sales, have you? Yet their prices are still often over what this gem sold for...
5. LL.coms are usually sold in the $100,000-$250,000 range (with obvious outliers). LLL.coms usually sold in the $6000-$25,000 range
LLLL.coms sell for as little as $10... That's a pretty steep decline IMHO.
If we look at NN.coms, NNN.coms, NNNN.coms. The relationship in value is fairly straight-forward.. LL.coms usually sell for more than NN.coms. LLL.coms are anywhere from a bit less than NNN.coms to about 3-4 times as much for strong triple premiums.
LLLL.coms, in contrast, sell for as much as 97% less than NNNN.coms.

Something is wrong here guys :imho: :sold:

 

[italiandragon]

ataz.com ended at $705.. I've expected a bit more, but still not so bad.
Will see if the transaction goes through heh

Michael, ATAZ , at the end of the day has the Z.

Compared to my OZUD.com sold for $330 in August , your ATAZ did well.

Consider also, that there have been several big .mobi auctions and it`s currently happening the Moniker Geo Auction so it`s possible that some buyers are spending everywhere.

 

[DomainMagnate]

In fact I did one very stupid thing.. I started the auction at about 4 a.m. US time and since most buyers are from US... when I realized it was too late heh.
So make sure you start your auctions in the evening by US time

~MG

 

[bricio]

ataz.com ended at $705.. I've expected a bit more, but still not so bad.
Will see if the transaction goes through heh

congrats for the sale... sometimes we dont know what happens withe the buyers; the time you started it maybe wasnt good for the final result though

 

[Andrei P.]

What do you think about my ISOZ.com? Would it catch $1000?

 

[clowesy]

What do you think about my ISOZ.com? Would it catch $1000?

No, $100 Max IMO

 

[Andrei P.]

No, $100 Max IMO

Was it a kind of joke?

 

[bricio]

What do you think about my ISOZ.com? Would it catch $1000?

i think it doesnt worth $1,000 but i think you can get more than $100

 

[Andrei P.]

i think it's at least somewhere around ATAZ.com $700

 

[thetruman]

GUZL.COM sold for 226 TDNAM expired auction... :sold:

 

[clowesy]

Was it a kind of joke?

No, I didnt mean to offend but ISOZ... VCVC... with a Z Which makes the pronunciation a tad wierd. I would pay more than $100, and I am the one who has been paying quite a few of these 'high', hype prices. Im just giving you my opinion.

 

[filter]

hi clowesy, ergo

IMO "is" "oz" is going to be worth a pretty penny to someone primed to recognize meaning in this particular VCVC pattern - ie, not only pronounceable but actually 2 "dictionary" words that might make some sense together (ie could even use with subnets for reasonably memorable brandable Australian geodomain empire - "perth.isoz.com" "sydney.isoz.com" ... just riffing a bit here, maybe not a great idea but just an example of some possibilities that quickly come to mind for this one)

occupational hazard for LLLL.com resellers maybe is occasional snow-blindness from dealing with the finer points of CVCV / VCVC / VCCV etc valuations when much of it is gibberish, baby talk at best ... (Still - to be sure clowesy knows how it goes when buying and selling many scenarios, so really do have to respect that reality-based perspective as well! Balances out the sweet tooth for pie in the sky, occupational hazard of many buyers looking for a quick flip ...)

Hold onto this one, see what interest it gets over time ... it should be worth a decent amount to someone in an "is oz" state of mind sooner or later :imho:

 

[italiandragon]

GUZL.COM sold for 226 TDNAM expired auction... :sold:

Definitely, the letter U is gaining more respect as it should be.

Lately 3 Premium + U go for $70+ , regardless of their pronunciability.


Also , 4 Premium letters have rised in the last 3 weeks bringing the minimun price at $150 - $200

 

[vlad74]

I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.

Italiandragon,

I bought EKYB.com few days ago for $60 (plus transaction costs of approx. $4)

 

[italiandragon]

Italiandragon,

I bought EKYB.com few days ago for $60 (plus transaction costs of approx. $4)

Nice deal, especially starting with the E, the worst ones are starting to go for $100 so definitely you got a bargain there!

 

[domainer50]

Italiandragon,

I bought EKYB.com few days ago for $60 (plus transaction costs of approx. $4)

:imho: That is not a good deal. It is not an acronym unless im missing something. I just dont see the value there.

 

[italiandragon]

:imho: That is not a good deal. It is not an acronym unless im missing something. I just dont see the value there.

Hi Peter, excuse me but lately I have been reading many of your posts where it seems that for you both LLLL.com and L-L-L.com are worthless.

Would you please support your claims by showing us anyone unable to sell any of them at any price above ZERO?

Thank you

 

[godinu]

any idea ballpark average price that jerw.com or ellx.com would go for? been thinking of selling those but debating whether to re-up and hang on to them

 

[filter]

any idea ballpark average price that jerw.com or ellx.com would go for? been thinking of selling those but debating whether to re-up and hang on to them

currently anywhere from $30 to $100 (possibly but probably not much more) for either of them - I would re-up and hang on to these 2 respectable if not uber-premium LLLL.com pieces for at least another few months (or even a year or 3) if I were you.

End user for "JerW" might be someone named "Jerry Williams" etc. willing and able to pay mid $xxx - odds seem decent for that for a near-term end-user sale.

"Ellx" is a nice one too ... Terminal X works (as "exchange" or as part of "LX" connoting "limited" or "luxury") Double L is sweet, initial E rocks. Don't let these go for cheap - they really should be worth a decent amount to some end user's actual bottom line at some point.

 

[godinu]

thanks for the input, filter. I agree and will hold out unless there's a great offer.