LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[xman]

It's amazing these non-premium VCVC.com that were being auctioned in TDNam between $10-$40 few months ago are now in the range between $100 - $400.

I remember when you could buy like azaw.com type of combo for only $10-$20 now those days are gone

 

[abcproductions]

it seems most NPers believe that CVCV.com's are among the best of the LLLL.coms but I have more than 700 LLLL.coms of all varieties and I have received my highest offers from CCCC.coms. In the past week I have sold three CCCC.coms for a total of $2300. (One beginning with a P for 300, one beginning with a F for 1050 and one beginning with an X for $950) I simply stay patient until an end user makes a healthy offer. I'm finding that my CVCV.com domains are less desirable than my others.

 

[geb9696]

it seems most NPers believe that CVCV.com's are among the best of the LLLL.coms but I have more than 700 LLLL.coms of all varieties and I have received my highest offers from CCCC.coms. In the past week I have sold three CCCC.coms for a total of $2300. (One beginning with a P for 300, one beginning with a F for 1050 and one beginning with an X for $950) I simply stay patient until an end user makes a healthy offer. I'm finding that my CVCV.com domains are less desirable than my others.

What CVCV.coms do you have?

 

[italiandragon]

a few ebay sales:

YFIG.com- 46.48$
DXUM.com- 26.50$
IIZG.com- 26.00$
JVJZ.com- 22.00$
KGUV.com- 20.50$
KNUY.com- 18.60$
QEUC.com- 15.50$
YXEA.com- 11.00$

So bad letters too going for above reg fee

I took IIZG.com- 26.00$

Looks good since right now on ebay IIZP and it`s already at $42 (not finished yet)

They keep rising.

 

[TLDnetworks]

how about BCOO regged since 1997?

 

[ssamriga]

BCOO is a good one, keep it for a while and youll get mid x,xxx

I was bidding on IIZp, it went to someone for 42$, just because auctions are ending in good time for Americans, which is 5am for me

 

[italiandragon]

BCOO is a good one, keep it for a while and youll get mid x,xxx

I was bidding on IIZp, it went to someone for 42$, just because auctions are ending in good time for Americans, which is 5am for me

eh..I know , it happens all the time to me. Think about the dropping time......AMERICANS ARE SO LUCKY

 

[DomainMagnate]

I took IIZG.com- 26.00$

Looks good since right now on ebay IIZP and it`s already at $42 (not finished yet)

They keep rising.

that sounds cheap, congrats

~MG

 

[Pred]

FSGI.com sold on sedo today for $10,000

check sedo homepage.
interestingly the net is free to reg and they weren't interested.

 

[-REECE-]

FSGI.com sold on sedo today for $10,000

check sedo homepage.
interestingly the net is free to reg and they weren't interested.

First Security Group, Inc? Methinks so.. Me also thinks that someone is going to reg that .net very soon :hehe:

 

[Alex]

This shows how end users are focusing only on .com's (with a few exceptions like zune)

First Security Group, Inc? Methinks so.. Me also thinks that someone is going to reg that .net very soon :hehe:

 

[-REECE-]

This shows how end users are focusing only on .com's (with a few exceptions like zune)

Yep

I don't blame them, really. Dotcom projects a certain image -- and regardless of traffic loss, it's just not an image I'd ever want not to project.

If you're going to spend XXX,XXX putting a commercial on TV or potentially X,XXX,XXX with a large advertising campaign, what sense does it make to not have a .com?

Some people seem to misunderstand cents and sense :imho:
Good sense is about saving cents and there's no better way to save cents than by not sending any of your targetted traffic to domainers or worse -- your competitors.

 

[DomainMagnate]

So what's the min price you're noticing for all premium letters LLLL's? Is it above $100?

~MG

 

[filter]

I would prefer CCCC to many of the goofier sounding if pronounceable CVCV or VCVC combinations, and (personally) am starting to accept CCCC as "pronounceable" in their own special way - ie, 4 syllables (+2 for any 'w' in the mix) ... Consider the corporate brand image carried via CCCC acronym such as KPMG.com or CMGI.com compared to "empty vessel" coined word such as Tupi.com or whatever ... (and certainly no offense intended to anyone holding Tupi.com in their portfolio - sounds great, I'm sure it's worth good money and is perfect for many end users!)

Different strokes as they say ... it's all good, more or less. Well - okay, some more, some less ...!

it seems most NPers believe that CVCV.com's are among the best of the LLLL.coms but I have more than 700 LLLL.coms of all varieties and I have received my highest offers from CCCC.coms. In the past week I have sold three CCCC.coms for a total of $2300. (One beginning with a P for 300, one beginning with a F for 1050 and one beginning with an X for $950) I simply stay patient until an end user makes a healthy offer. I'm finding that my CVCV.com domains are less desirable than my others.

 

[Alex]

I would certainly buy all premium letters LLLL's for $100. I saw all the auctions at TDNAM, Sedo and even namepros going over $100 for these goodies. Too bad I have only a few of them.

So what's the min price you're noticing for all premium letters LLLL's? Is it above $100?

~MG

 

[-REECE-]

I would certainly buy all premium letters LLLL's for $100. I saw all the auctions at TDNAM, Sedo and even namepros going over $100 for these goodies. Too bad I have only a few of them.

Another reason why I believe all LLLL.coms will eventually have value..

Just think about how many premium LLLL.coms there actually are for a second..

If we take 3character.coms premium definition: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are all premium. That would make over 80,000 (eighty thousand, no typo) LLLL.coms premium. Add in the CVCV and VCVC and we're at about 100,000 premium LLLL.coms (sorry I really can't do the addition-subtraction thingy here at 6:30 am)

And I'm sure many of you would argue that K,U,V -- some of you, maybe even W and Y premium if there's only 1 of them.

 

[Alex]

IMO W is premium. I made another post on the last page and there are very much quality acronyms for W. Also K is a good letter. I think I will start a thread with letter valuation.

When we think of LLLL's, we do not think of how many times does W appear in a word, but how many times does a word start with W. because LLLL's will have potential as acronyms. I personally prefer more a W in a LLLL than a F.

K, U also hold some value. But not as premium as the others.

 

[DomainMagnate]

I think it's reasonable to assume that what makes a letter premium is the higher possibility of consisting a word with it, that is basically the frequency of usage.
So according to wikipedia the frequencies are:

e 12.702%
t 9.056%
a 8.167%
o 7.507%
i 6.966%
n 6.749%
s 6.327%
h 6.094%
r 5.987%
d 4.253%
l 4.025%
c 2.782%
u 2.758%
m 2.406%
w 2.360%
f 2.228%
g 2.015%
y 1.974%
p 1.929%
b 1.492%
v 0.978%
k 0.772%
j 0.153%
x 0.150%
q 0.095%
z 0.074%

Which makes it strange.. what is the 3character.com classification based on?
According to this "u" is very premium and so is w..

~MG

 

[SLL]

I believe that the frequency in which a letter is the 1st letter of a word, rather than it's usage anywhere in a word, is more important.
Do we know of any frequency stats for letters as the 1st letter of a word?

I tend to believe that J is OK for the 1st position of LLLL.com because of the common American names that start with J (James, John, Jay etc.) and W or J is OK for 2nd position because of common last names (Williams, Wilson, Jones, James etc.). I am wondering if names are included as words in this study.

Also, does the study place more weight on the frequency of words?
The words "on", "the", "is" or "of" are going to show up much more frequently in the English language than "zebra" or "velocity" or "use".
What is the weighted percentage of the use of a letter based on word usage?

I am not sure this study is giving us the full picture on letter usage that is important to users/buyers of LLLL.com.

 

[Pred]

First Security Group, Inc? Methinks so.. Me also thinks that someone is going to reg that .net very soon :hehe:

No it was 'Facility Solutions Group'. They had FSGConnect.com before, judging by email

Anyway, screw the net.
Hate nets.

before i posted the com, i nailed the mobi though :hehe: