LH.com Lost !

[Pred]

Reverse hijacking is on the increase guys.
LH.com has just been lost by elequa.

Feel bad for him as this is a terrible decision by wipo imho and it raises questions about their integrity and conduct imo

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[Kate]

Or what about British Airways, are they going to pursue BA.com?

They own it

Or American Airlines, do they have a right to AA.com?

They own it

Does Finnair have a right to AY.com?

They don't own it yet

 

[GreenGambler]

They own it
They own it
They don't own it yet

HA!! I didn't realize that.. wow.. Thanks!

So does this mean that every airline in the world is entitled to there respective 2 character .com ?
If that is the case then every 2 character .com will eventually be owned by the airlines.? WTF.

 

[bfluid]

HA!! I didn't realize that.. wow.. Thanks!

So does this mean that every airline in the world is entitled to there respective 2 character .com ? If that is the case then every 2 character .com will eventually be owned by the airlines.? WTF.

They bought them.

 

[GreenGambler]

They bought them.

Well then that is GREAT! The airlines buying them is good, WIPO stealing them and giving to the airlines is BAD.

 

[squid]

They bought them.

I respect companies that do it the legit way.

 

[Marck]

This is incredibly depressing. I always admired elequa because it's clear he's a true collector, he does it out of passion. I'm ready to pen a letter, who do I write to?

It's an outrage!

The return of the Robber Barons?

 

[Charley]

I'm ready to pen a letter, who do I write to?

It's an outrage!

Write it to Lufthansa. :D

 

[Marck]

Write it to Lufthansa. :D

Yes. I will. And to this arbitration group.

 

[Pred]

Bloody Germans!

There i said it! LOL :sold:

 

[wot]

Here you go Elequa

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/29/myspace_domain_dispute_nominet_davies/

 

[xblackhat]

Here's the PDF for the federal court case against Lufthansa:

http://www.loffs.org/fma-v-lufthansa/fma-v-lufthansa-amended-complaint.pdf

 

[accent]

Many of those airline codes are also US states and/or country postal codes (also used for their domain extension).

... (we) cannot do other than resolve this uncertainty in favour of the Respondent ...

OMG ... a respondent actually getting the benefit of the doubt. I thought it was "guilty until proven innocent".

The registration of domain names is still a first-come, first-served system ...

Ahhh ... breathe the fresh air.

Yet, this whole deal undoubtedly cost the domain owners a lot of money (and they do not seem wealthy) and a whole lot of stress.

 

[wot]

Here's the PDF for the federal court case against Lufthansa:

http://www.loffs.org/fma-v-lufthansa/fma-v-lufthansa-amended-complaint.pdf

Having read it I think Lufthansa are on a loser here- they will come out of this rather badly - I hope - and the wipo panel will look pretty stupid

 

[Rob J]

Well then that is GREAT! The airlines buying them is good, WIPO stealing them and giving to the airlines is BAD.

In Lufthansa's defense, they tried many times over several years to buy the domain, FMA refused to even discuss it. That's of course not an excuse, if it's not for sale then it's not for sale but they did try. And it's a pretty crappy policy to completely refuse discussion at all, Lufthansa didn't have a whole lot of choices here. Either forget about it altogether or call WIPO, and they didn't want to forget about it.

 

[bfluid]

Here's the PDF for the federal court case against Lufthansa:

http://www.loffs.org/fma-v-lufthansa/fma-v-lufthansa-amended-complaint.pdf

They have have an amazing case on their hands. No possible way they can lose. FMA will be the owner in the end.

 

[Mark]

In Lufthansa's defense, they tried many times over several years to buy the domain, FMA refused to even discuss it. That's of course not an excuse, if it's not for sale then it's not for sale but they did try.

Well - in FMA's defense ... He has always stated none of his domains are for sale Anyone who knows of him can attest to that.

I just don't see why anyone would say this isn't generic is my biggest problem with the whole situation. Whats next ? Descendants of the creators of the English Language will come after all English domains ? As already stated - There are many Brands and Generic terms using these same initials.

 

[Rob J]

Well - in FMA's defense ... He has always stated none of his domains are for sale Anyone who knows of him can attest to that.

Right. I'm not defending all of this, just pointing out that this isn't as malicious as it's being portrayed. It wasn't "hey let's see if we can save a few million and hijack this domain", I think it was more out of desperation because all other avenues were roadblocked.

 

[Charley]

The company's original name was Deutsche Luft Hansa Aktiengesellschaft, that's why they want the name badly.

 

[estibot.com]

Here's the PDF for the federal court case against Lufthansa:

http://www.loffs.org/fma-v-lufthansa/fma-v-lufthansa-amended-complaint.pdf

Wow....I especially liked the bit about Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party

And they are now going after the "Lufthansa" trademark, too.

This will be interesting, and should also draw some media attention. At least I hope so.

 

[Dave_Z]

I just don't see why anyone would say this isn't generic is my biggest problem with the whole situation.

Maybe a thing with few people is they think a so-called generic or descriptive
word or letters is generic or descriptive for everything and anything. They do
not work that way.

Using one of my previous examples, GE may be generic or descriptive for just
a pair of letters. But are they generic or descriptive for lighting products and
financial services?

In this case, it so happens the complainant was able to prove they do have a
trademark for the letters LH for their services. And it also so happens that the
panel "finds that such use is not a use in connection with a bona fide offering
of goods or services pursuant to Policy", even though one dissented.

Measures like UDRP and a civil suit are ideally intended to resolve disputes. Of
course, since we all live in the real world...

Right. I'm not defending all of this, just pointing out that this isn't as malicious as it's being portrayed. It wasn't "hey let's see if we can save a few million and hijack this domain", I think it was more out of desperation because all other avenues were roadblocked.

That's also what I was thinking. It also just so happens there are a couple of
other decisions by various panelists that are consistently...questionable...