Let's list top 100 traffic and profitable Idn sites in the world!

[wimpu]

1st list:

Top 100 According to traffic

please mention whether the traffic is nature traffic or advertising traffic

2nd list

top 100 according to net revenue

 

[rr5127]

1) I am sorry the quality of your latins is low.
Besides, no traffic does not always mean that the domain is bad.
Parked domains rarely get considerable traffic at all.
I also have few chinese/russian/japanese .coms names (that I am going to drop or sell if anybody wants them) and while I do get traffic from them, most of it is from speculators. As far as russian traffic, it seems to come from people typing in a russian word in browser address bar (without extension) and hitting enter. In Opera (browser used in Russia) .com gets appended automatically. This is where your "traffic" is coming from.
As far as latins, people do use extension in the type-in. That's a considerable difference.
2)Knowing and using them is not the same thing. 99% is clear exaggeration.
Again, in the whole russian internet one can mention only a couple of popular websites using .com, not .ru (and they are based abroad or financed from abroad). Few also use .com or .org to get a better protection from government intervention.
Russians (as well as chinese) are not going to let you promote an extension that they do not control. There will be .rf (or.ru) for Russia and .cn for China. That's why .com is not very populr in Europe (and in some countries it's non-existent). .Com is associated with US. If you think that anybody can just roll into Russia or China and start advertising his own IDN extension contrary to the interests of locals, I have news for you-there is not enough money for that.
Situation with Latin America is different. You have many countries sharing the same language, culture and market and they don't have a common extension. So they use .com/net/org which are in their language too.
Besides, the geographical proximity to US makes Latin America a natural US sphere of interest and influence.
3) You don't address the main problem of russian and Chinese IDNs. They are not using domain extension in, respectively, russian or chinese language.
How do you think this is going to happen and why do you think com/net/edu/info/cc/biz etc will be translated into russian or chinese or japanese? What is the need for that? Or do you think that only .coms are going to be mapped?
As I understand, only country extensions (like .rf and .cn) have real plans to go idn, which makes perfect sense) but even that is not a 100% sure thing.

 

[WhoNet]

How to trace these website?

 

[Phio]

8^X Traffic? 8^X

 

[Kryvast]

Want to look at Alexa's ranking then?

 

[WhoNet]

8^X Traffic? 8^X

and how to find these website?

 

[rr5127]

First of all, this post is only about TLDs.
Traffic to IDNs?
Don't think this data is easy to get. IDNs do get excellent traffic. However, IDNs are a great opportunity still in early stages ( proceed carefully) so most of the activity is going on behind the scene. I personally think that for a beginner IDNs is a far better opportunity than ASCII as there are simply more options there. It's easy to get burned though, so here is a little basic guide.

If you want to get into IDNs, be especially careful with double byte (asian) .coms and russian .coms, in short, anything other than latin character set in extensions. Latins are working already now and safely have a great future in my opinion . But again, they are not something completely new , as asian or russian, but an extension/improvement of existing ones.
As far as asian/russian and other non-latins, the real question is not whether IDNs are going to materialize but what extension will be a dominant one and how the ext mapping will come to life (if at all).
Asian and Russian .coms
These are very speculative in my opinion (don't confuse with country extension).

There were unconfirmed reports of million dollar sales of some of these but it might be just a "promotional/marketing" activity ( AKA "Selling the Brooklyn Bridge") of some excessively smart folks out there.

There is a strong probability that local chinese/russian extensions (.cn and .rf) and not .coms will be ext of choice.
Moreover, there is a strong probability that .coms will have no future for non-latins at all.
For example, Russia, practically does not know what it is to use .com for a website. There are simply no .coms in russian internet, as there are very few .coms in German internet. Therefore, the claims that russian IDN .coms will have similar success in Russia (or Germany) as they had in US are at best questionable. Basically this also means that for an average russian person there is not much difference between .com and .biz extensions. .Com extension became a big success in US through extensive use and strong associated brand. Simply extrapolating this story on the foreign land may play well for the marketing to the dumb or naive so be aware and do your research.
Then there is a problem of domain mapping in non-latins, a problem which Latins do not have.
Then there 's a big elephant in the room question why .com/net/org/info/mil/edu/me/cc/biz/etc would be mapped to non-latin languages at all.
I personally don't see any reason or justification as to why this would be done apart from pleasing some early investors in non-latin .coms, which certainly would not be a factor in final determination.

I'd like to hear arguments to the contrary as surely some folk will not be happy with my opinion. But it's important for a person starting with, investing or buying IDNs to understand the whole picture. So far IDNers have been very secretive, which was understandable, considering high rewards that one can get if involved at the early stage. But IDNs are mature enough already to become mainstream. So, no more BS. :hi:

The situation with extensions is also different by language/country in Latins. For example , in Latin America, .com is an extension of choice, so, Latin .com IDNs will have a great future here as ASCII .coms will. In France, .com is not very popular but still com/net/orgs are used so IDNs, especially great keywords like Health, Properties, Security, Download (yes, french pretend to not understand the word "download", they say "télécharge") etc will have a great value.
In short, be aware but don't just dismiss it as it will be a great mistake. Before you invest, analyze and learn to spot the real value. There is a great value there for a savvy investor. IDNs are the future for many countries and potential markets.
I remember in 1998 people were still laughing at ASCII domains similar to how they are still laughing at IDNs now. They don't laugh at ASCII anymore but for most it was too late already then.
Now, about IDNs in general. I think this is the greatest opportunity in domain business. It's important to understand that this is just a beginning. Yes, those who started early got the best stuff but there are still and there will be plenty of opportunities. Many people dismiss IDNs because they just cannot handle the stuff. Some would be able to buy at the secondary market.
One thing is true: IDNs are here, whether you want it or not.
World is bigger than USA, and world does not speak English only . In some extreme cases it refuses to speak English at all (I am not a Francophobe. Besides, what can you expect from people who eat horses? ).
Feel free to PM me with questions. My post is not to convince more people here to join idn club. Some will join and others will not regardless. Do your own research to decide.


On the separate note, could a native Portuguese (Brazilian) speaker please confirm:
Saldão prime term for Sale (as in Christmas Sale)
http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=pt-BR&q=Saldão&btnG=Pesquisar&meta=
Caução -Escrow (Caução is as close to the meaning of escrow as it can get-Agente Fiduciário is too long )

 

[davnin]

and how to find these website?

maybe using Top 100,000 Sites Alexa ranking?

 

[WhoNet]

maybe using Top 100,000 Sites Alexa ranking?

it might be right

 

[wimpu]

who can share the list?

 

[rr5127]

I don't know about the list. I have IDNs which get 2-3-4 thousand uniques/month parked. Usually if I get a IDN and ASCII typo for it, ASCII gets 5-8 times more type-ins. For example I have Telecharge.net which gets over 2000 uniques (all from France) telecharge is a typo for Download in french. I also have télécharge.net (IDN) This one gets about 200 a month. So if Idn gets, say 2000 uniques a month parked, it has a potential to grow 10fold. These traffic iDns are generic Latins and I don't consider them my best, BTW.

 

[Phio]

If you want to get into IDNs, be especially careful with double byte (asian) .coms and russian .coms, in short, anything other than latin character set in extensions. Latins are working already now and safely have a great future in my opinion . But again, they are not something completely new , as asian or russian, but an extension/improvement of existing ones.
As far as asian/russian and other non-latins, the real question is not whether IDNs are going to materialize but what extension will be a dominant one and how the ext mapping will come to life (if at all).
Asian and Russian .coms
These are very speculative in my opinion (don't confuse with country extension).

Actually latin IDNs perform the poorest in my portfolio, excepting a few Canadian French terms. Not sure where you are getting your info from really.
Asian (Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Chinese, Japanese etc) have been around and working for 8 years plus. I have many domains in each language that are getting measurable traffic in .com and .net. As far as Russian goes it is by far the highest traffic in .com of all my IDNs.

There is a strong probability that local chinese/russian extensions (.cn and .rf) and not .coms will be ext of choice.
Moreover, there is a strong probability that .coms will have no future for non-latins at all.
For example, Russia, practically does not know what it is to use .com for a website. There are simply no .coms in russian internet, as there are very few .coms in German internet. Therefore, the claims that russian IDN .coms will have similar success in Russia (or Germany) as they had in US are at best questionable. Basically this also means that for an average russian person there is not much difference between .com and .biz extensions. .Com extension became a big success in US through extensive use and strong associated brand. Simply extrapolating this story on the foreign land may play well for the marketing to the dumb or naive so be aware and do your research.

I think 99 percent of Russians know what .com is and use it with their own language. At least the Russian folks I've worked with have a strong command of the internet, not sure what you are saying really.

 

[Phio]

One thing we seem to forget is that .com has been used for the last 20+ years on the internet.

1) As far as latin names. No problem. The reason the latin IDNs aren't very popular now, is because the latin community as a whole has been forced to type in the browser without accents. So bad habits die slow. They have had to use IE -- which didn't resolve until the IE7 came out, and most companies and users in latin countries still are stuck with IE6. That is changing and traffic will increase on the latin IDNs. So I am safely keeping
them and waiting for them to come around.

2) The russians have been using .com and .net for 20 years (ascii) and 9 years (IDNs) respectively. There is no rolling in anywhere, it's been in use for many years. Russian IDNs are being registered at an alarming rate by Russian natives. I have some .coms -- and the .nets and other extensions have been registered by natives within the past 2 or 3 months (according to whois)
In fact there has been a tremendous upsurge in local registration for Russian IDN.com and IDN.net etc.

3) If you read about ICANNs fast-track for IDNs. Information is covered there. There will be extensions available for China and Russia, (probably first) as well as for the rest of the world. This roll-out is expected to begin in 2009. All countries/languages are entitled to their own extension, and if they elect to have one, it is ICANNs job to see it through.
ALL languages/countries that want IDN.IDN will be able to get them. And it's coming soon.

4) Right now your Portuguese will outdo my chinese (especially with the nameserver issues). But that won't be the case this time next year. I'll try to remember this thread. Who knows you may be right. It may take a while longer.

 

[rr5127]

The russians have not been using .com or .net enough to make them stick. And they are not using them now for sure.
As far as rise in russian idn registration. Surely it happens. Some very entrepreneurial folks have gotten all keywords in .com. This is a small group doing it at a large scale. In my opinion this is a big gamble for reasons I mentioned earlier.
I know about fast track but it just proves my point. It mentions only country extensions whatever they will be, not com/net/org/info/cc/tv/me/mobi/etc.

 

[Phio]

.com is a worldwide phenomena and anyone with a laptop, cellphone, or pc, knows about .com regardless of language. It HAS Stuck everywhere. There is no unwinding the clock with .com

As far as .ru verses .com. Right now it's a toss up.
I would prefer to own Секс.com over Секс.ru (which cannot be regged at this time anyway) In 2 years I would probably prefer Секс.ru. But the .ru will lose traffic in Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine ect. to the .com.

The group of IDNers is not small anymore. I can't even guess how many people are involved. Suffice it to say between 5,000 and 50,000 would be the range. And yes, some have been holding on to their premium IDNs since 2000. Wish I would have started then.

You are right in your mentioning that the new IDN.IDN will change things.
I think it will make IDN.com much more valuable.

 

[rr5127]

What value do you think секс.com will have? секс is "sex" in Russian and com is just a foreign language extension that russians have never used (even though it's a brand, is it not?). Surely a russian person can get to секс.com by switching alphabets, but why would he bother?
секс.com would have some commercial value only if .com would be mapped to, say, .ком.
Then, according to you, russians would suddenly realize that .ком is a huge brand...
1) I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.
2)If the mapping occur in any shape or form, it certainly would not be limited to .com
but would also have to involve .net/.info./.cc/.mil/.me/.org/.mobi/.many others.
Why do you think .com would be given a preferential treatment?

Then you think that Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine etc would amicably settle for the same .ком extension to be mapped to .com so they could freely watch porn from US together? It's very funny.

That's not reasonable.
I don't even touch here immense linguistic problems that this would require to solve. Why start with all this trouble with TLDs?
As far as I understand, IDNers from China (China proper) almost 100% bet on .cn which might likely be their country IDN extension. They so far have used .com out of necessity but when IDN.idn comes, watch chinese to drop .com
3) If секс.com is a great domain for Russia then sex.ком is a great domain for US? Surely, sex.ком would be mapped to sex.com as well (as well as many other native .coms (and other native extensions)). Who'd decide what map to what? Who would control .ком in over 100 languages? Wouldnt it devalue all English (ASCII) domains? If US would control .ком, why Russian or chinese would agree to that? In any case, I sure need then to get myself namepros.ком, cars.ком, business.ком and few more.
And the main questing still is this- why start all this with TLDs? What is the reason for all this language mapping in TLDs?
Would't it be better just to work of semantic geo-search?
4) I hate to repeat it: .com is not a brand in Russia and not a brand in China.
If mapping ever takes some shape it will be only in the form of everything mapped to everything, not only .com mapped to .ком to help few people to make a few bucks. Then .ком would have to compete to dozens of extensions. Then a reverse mapping would have to occur. I see no practical reasons for this mess to happen.
Look at Germany. Surely .com is a 'brand" for germans. They can freely type it without switching alphabets. They used to use it before they got .de. Are they using .com now? No. They don't use .com at all. Why?, what do you think? It's huge "brand"...
May be you can analyze a few patters.
I wish you all well. But these are the problems we, especially new idners and IDN investors need to assess.
It's sad when one starts to believe his own marketing.
I am sure some people would say that I have an agenda as I have always advocated Latins. True, I have been saying that ICANN would not touch TLDs in IDN context as it would bring enormous mess. I've always said that only Latins TLDs would work and Latins are safely operational now.
I would also invest into some countries ccTLDs.
I just bring few questions and who wants to listen , listen.
Surely some people don't like that but these are valid and important questions for idn investors.
And trust me, these are not the ONLY questions which one might consider before deciding where to put his money in IDNs.

 

[Phio]

I believe the value of секс.com to be 750,000 to 1 million dollars.

There is no switching alphabets to get to .com It is the default extension on most browsers.

Russian will get its own IDN extension. Maybe more than one.

Language mapping with TLDs has been going on for 8 or 9 years. People have been doing it for years. If you do some research you will see that even IDN.info and IDN.org have been bought for good prices in Europe by Europeans.

I'm not sure how you can speak of an extension as a 'brand'. I have never thought of it in this way. .com is the most popular domain extension in the world. There is a possibility that in 5 -10 years .cn will surpass .com, but it will be a while. .com by itself is not a 'brand' , there must be a name associated with it.

Actually there are many questions one must ask before beginning to invest in IDNs.

1) What are the tools I need? (translation, word popularity)
2) What are the special characteristics and oddities of each language?
3) What is the current internet usage of each language?
4) What level of IDN compatable browser support can be found in each country.
5) Once I find a name, what extensions are best to register it in? (each country/language prefers certain extensions over others)
6) What's really going to happen during the next year with ICANNs fast track
to IDN.IDN (will .com owners be given the aliased .IDN)
7) What will the value of IDNs be in the next 5 years? Will they surpass Ascii?
8) Where do I find helpful people and forums on my way to becoming and IDNer?

 

[rr5127]

You are not listening.
-.com is not a default extensions on most browsers. Browsers change often too.

-Different countries will be assigned their own IDN extensions, like .cn or .rf., not com/net/cc/sex/pc/la/and whatever else ICaNN will come up with.

-There were no mapping in TLD for 9 years, there was research how to do IDN encoding of domain names. If you can find an article that describes how TLD mapping research was done and how TLD aliasing will be made, why don't you post it here? We all could learn something new.

-And you avoid answering the simple question: Why the aliasing in TLD would ever happen? There is no need for that. None.

Good luck with your endeavors.

 

[maxeaus]

some great informative info buy the people in this thread, i have always been interested yet puzzled with these extentions, i have now learnt a lot.

Interesting to read that .cn may overtake .com in 5 years, im not convinced of this, as most of the world dose not speak Chinese, but i see a continuing place for .com in China for English speaking targeted sites.

 

[Phio]

rr5127:

Here is some info on .IDN cctlds

http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20aug08-en.htm

http://idn.wat.ch/wiki/index.php?title=IDN_ccTLD_Discussion

Maxeus:

I'm not sure if .cn will ever pass .com, but China passed the United States in internet usage a while back.

 

[rr5127]

I think you are confusing ccTLDs and TLDs. They are not the same thing. ICANN is working on ccTLDs for every language. There are no plans to alias TLDs like .com/net/org.

 

[Phio]

Yes, it's really up to the country for tlds. Some will choose to alias, and others will not. Also some registrars may decide to open things up and alias. The future of tld aliasing has yet to be decided. As you well know, the value of .com aliased or not will continue to be strong regardless of language. Therefore both ascii.com and IDN.com will remain strong for many years to come. There is no keyboard switching required.

Cut and paste файлов in your browser and hit enter.
It will resolve with the latest browsers. IE, Firefox etc

You will see that файлов.com comes up, and that файлов.com looks pretty damn good, and all Russians know what it means.

In addition, .com is one of the few words that all non-english speaking chinese computer users are well acquainted with.

 

[rr5127]

I desagree with all you are saying.Besides, "файлов.com" that you are saying "every russian knows how valuable it is" is a totally meaningless junk in Russian.
If you meant "files" the correct word is "файлы".
May be you need to do better research.

 

[Phio]

Yes it is important to do research. It's true what you are saying, but the trends report otherwise....so more internet users look for файлов verses файлы, even though файлы is a better term and was regged in 2004.

I tend concentrate on keywords and others like geos etc. So as a keyword файлов was searched for in Russian 110,000 times with google in Sept. 2008 and 90,500 searches for файлы.

Both words are highly searched in Russia probably many more times if you include yandex and rambler.

In many cases with IDNs the primary terms are taken, and with Russian, you are correct in pointing out the difference.

 

[rr5127]

As I said, you might see searches for "файлов", but that does not mean that it has any stand alone value. It cannot be used as a stand alone word. Searches were probably made for "files download".