It looks like I was outsmarted in a domain name sale.

[iowa]

I sold the name using escrow.com and transferred the domain to the buyer.

The buyer ended up changing the whois info for the domain he just bought from me and he says he didn't get the domain.


I can't figure out how to show that the domain was transferred to him and he received the domain.

Any suggestions or just chalk this one up to a lesson learned.

 

[-Adam-]

When you initated the account change your registar should of sent you a change of account acceptance email when the new owner agreed to take it off your hands proving that he now has ownership of the domain. At least thats what I know godaddy does. I am not too familiar with escrow so I will leave that to the seasoned domainers.

 

[Ronald Regging]

This is why escrow.com should not be called escrow.com... This situation came up on these forums once before in theory... Meaning we were just talking about the possibility of its occurence... In a real escrow transaction, the escrow company should physically take control of both the money and the item being sold to ensure fair and equal distribution. This wouldn't be hard for them to do, you'd just push it to an account they have established, then they would push it to the other party... Yet for some unknown reason they fail to do this.

Your best bet is to contact your registrar, explain the situation and try to get your domain back failing what adam suggested.

 

[iowa]

Your best bet is to contact your registrar, explain the situation and try to get your domain back failing what adam suggested.

I transferred or "pushed" the domain to the buyer's namecheap account (I was using namecheap too). There was no confirmation besides that I pushed it to a different username. The buyer quickly changed the whois contact information and it looks like the contact info is fake. He didn't use his or any name as a contact for the whois.

 

[SpareDomains]

private message the president of escrow.com

http://www.namepros.com/member.php?u=36737

if no response here is his information...

Brandon Abbey

[email protected]

949-790-5880

 

[homebuyer]

Record keeping

If you had transferred a godaddy domain you could contact them because they log every access by the godaddy acount holder. Godaddy would have a log of the date, time and other forensic data of the buyer accessing his/her account to accept the push, and any subsequent change in the domain's record. Perhaps namecheap has the same business practice.

You might also want to visit whois.sc (check the whois record to see if whois.sc caught the domain record change) and http://openaccess.dialog.com/ip/

The latter service is a searchable database of the history of ownership of a domain. Their fee is nominal.

 

[iowa]

private message the president of escrow.com

http://www.namepros.com/member.php?u=36737

if no response here is his information...

Brandon Abbey

[email protected]

949-790-5880

Holy smoke! thank you!

EDIT: I just sent a Private Message to Brandon. I sure hope he gets it before the buyer cancels the transaction.

 

[Ronald Regging]

Like I said before, I'd contact your registrar while the domain is still with them. If the person transfers it out, you'll have little recourse to get it back. If you tell them the situation, they should be able to check their records and hopefully just transfer the domain name back to you. Good luck.

 

[iowa]

Like I said before, I'd contact your registrar while the domain is still with them. If the person transfers it out, you'll have little recourse to get it back. If you tell them the situation, they should be able to check their records and hopefully just transfer the domain name back to you. Good luck.

The reason I hadn't tried that yet is because I thought there was an ICANN rule that prevents transfers to another registrar within 60 days of registration or transfer.

 

[SpareDomains]

Holy smoke! thank you!

EDIT: I just sent a Private Message to Brandon. I sure hope he gets it before the buyer cancels the transaction.

brandon is pretty busy so it may take a few days for him to get back to a private message, now that I think about it maybe it would be better for you to email his email directly or call that number, number usually goes to voicemail so leave your name and number and he should call you back.

 

[wisconsin]

I sold the name using escrow.com and transferred the domain to the buyer.

The buyer ended up changing the whois info for the domain he just bought from me and he says he didn't get the domain.


I can't figure out how to show that the domain was transferred to him and he received the domain.

Any suggestions or just chalk this one up to a lesson learned.

Hi,

Maybe I missed this but what is the domain name? and was the "whois" changed to your name? but with a different email address to make escrow.com believe that you still own the domain.

I had a similar situation 4 months ago when I sold a domain to someone outside the US.

 

[iowa]

Hi,

Maybe I missed this but what is the domain name? and was the "whois" changed to your name? but with a different email address to make escrow.com believe that you still own the domain.

I had a similar situation 4 months ago when I sold a domain to someone outside the US.

I haven't disclosed the domain yet. I need to get some type of resolution to this before the domain gets more attention and the situation becomes more confusing.

The whois was changed to no contact name after I pushed it to the buyer.

What was the resolution of your situation from 4 months ago?

 

[labrocca]

You really need to contact Namecheap and either convince them to push the domain back into your account or confirm with them WHO the domain was pushed to. Explain the situation to them. Tell them you need to give Escrow.com confirmation of a successful push.

 

[wisconsin]

What was the resolution of your situation from 4 months ago?

After I initiated the escrom.com transaction, the "buyer" paid with a credit card and everything seemed to be fine. After I pushed the domain to "him" and his account, he changed the who is back to my name but with completely different address [but the address was still in my home town, city and state] to make escrow.com believe that I was still in control of the domain name. "He" also created a yahoo email address with my first and last [[email protected]] as the contact person...Real smart "guy"!

Escrow.com recommended to cc them, in the future, when I pushed/transfer the domain to the "buyer"..but they relly didn't help that much!
The registrar "enom" can't help that much because you the one who took the "action' of pushing the domain to another account, so you're responsible for doing so...

I took the short cut [ and please don't ask me how] and was able to retrieve my domain back.

I wish you good luck!

 

[iowa]

I took the short cut [ and please don't ask me how] and was able to retrieve my domain back.

I'll take that to mean that you gave the buyer a good old fashioned butt kicking. Good for you.

 

[whitebark]

Is this person a user here? If so post their username so the a-hole doesn't do this again.

 

[iowa]

Is this person a user here? If so post their username so the a-hole doesn't do this again.

I don't know for sure. I haven't been able to figure out his username based upon his email address or real name.

 

[MrRhee]

it's hard for me to help you without knowing more about the domain name itself. not sure if researching the whois history of the name (after it changed hands) will shed some light on the new owner. I could be wrong about this, but perhaps he's made several changes recently... you should go to domaintools.com and use their whois check several times a day so they will automatically archive the whois results in their paid ($15/month) members section. That's how I was able to catch someone... he had made several changes over the course of a month and I had enough tidbits of info on him to figure out who he was. obviously you can save whois results yourself, but having the information stored in a 3rd party database works better when trying to have evidence against someone. good luck.

 

[iowa]

it's hard for me to help you without knowing more about the domain name itself. not sure if researching the whois history of the name (after it changed hands) will shed some light on the new owner. I could be wrong about this, but perhaps he's made several changes recently... you should go to domaintools.com and use their whois check several times a day so they will automatically archive the whois results in their paid ($15/month) members section. That's how I was able to catch someone... he had made several changes over the course of a month and I had enough tidbits of info on him to figure out who he was. obviously you can save whois results yourself, but having the information stored in a 3rd party database works better when trying to have evidence against someone. good luck.

What was your situation that you had to trace someone's whois changes? What it a domain sale like mine?

By "3rd party database" do you mean a friends Db or are there online services that do that?

Thanks.

 

[beaver6813]

whois.sc is a 3rd party database if i'm not mistaken. Basically another company with the whois history stored.

All you need to do is get namecheap to send escrow.com an email and i'm sure they will sort it out. All escrow.com want is confirmation that this idiot actually received the domain.