Is the domain push free at 1and1?

[Anthony Sun]

I am trying to get the answer tonight, but their office hour is closed. I tried to look through their FAQ section, but cannot find the answer.

My question is - does 1and1 charge the yearly fee for domain transferred to another account within 1and1?

Anthony

:gn:

 

[Anthony Sun]

It's already taken by 1&1. Go figure

Really?! This is incredible!

Anthony

Everyone should be aware that 1and1 does not do domain registrations in real time.

In can take 24 to 48 hours.

Yes, domainners should avoid using 1and1. They should have told other. I am glad that it only took me about 2 months with them to find out. After that, I have registered over 1000 domains with Godaddy - they ensure you get the domains you reg!

You are right, just for that, it is enough reason to avoid them!

Anthony

Yes, its free push at 1and1.

What free push? The buyer has to pay for the registration fee when the domain is transferred into his or her 1and1 account even from the seller's 1and1 account.

Anthony

:gn:

 

[topdaytrader]

I sold many domain names that are regstered at 1and1. Its free push if you have 1and1 account.

 

[tricolorro]

I sold many domain names that are regstered at 1and1. Its free push if you have 1and1 account.

:hi: topdaytrader

This is contrary to everyone's experience and contrary to the policy
listed at 1and1.


From 1and1 FAQs page:
http://faq.1and1.com/domains/moving_domains_from_one_package_to_another_/1.html

"Can I move a domain from one package to another?"

"Yes. You can move domains from one package to another.

Note: You will be charged a small domain maintenance service fee to move a domain from one package to another.
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"Does it cost anything to move a domain from one package to another?"

You bet it does! (my comment).


TLD Internal Transfer Fee
.com $6.99
.net $6.99
.info $6.99
.org $6.99
.name $6.99
.us $6.99
.biz $8.99
.ws $8.99
.cc $19.99
.tv $29.99
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"If you have a domain name in one of your packages and you wish to transfer it to another package under the same customer ID then you can do so free of charge.

Please note: If you are moving a Domain name from a package that has free domain name included, but the new package does not then you will have to pay the domain fee.
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topdaytrader, can you please provide some proof of any free pushes at 1and1?

Thanks.
Patrick

 

[hostingsearch]

"If you have a domain name in one of your packages and you wish to transfer it to another package under the same customer ID then you can do so free of charge"

I've done this kind of transfer before and it's free.

I don't know how to push a domain to another 1and1 customer and have never tried.

 

[topdaytrader]

I'm just speaking from my experience. Its not my problem if you don't believe it.

:hi: topdaytrader

This is contrary to everyone's experience and contrary to the policy
listed at 1and1.


From 1and1 FAQs page:
http://faq.1and1.com/domains/moving_domains_from_one_package_to_another_/1.html

"Can I move a domain from one package to another?"

"Yes. You can move domains from one package to another.

Note: You will be charged a small domain maintenance service fee to move a domain from one package to another.
------

"Does it cost anything to move a domain from one package to another?"

You bet it does! (my comment).


TLD Internal Transfer Fee
.com $6.99
.net $6.99
.info $6.99
.org $6.99
.name $6.99
.us $6.99
.biz $8.99
.ws $8.99
.cc $19.99
.tv $29.99
------------

"If you have a domain name in one of your packages and you wish to transfer it to another package under the same customer ID then you can do so free of charge.

Please note: If you are moving a Domain name from a package that has free domain name included, but the new package does not then you will have to pay the domain fee.
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topdaytrader, can you please provide some proof of any free pushes at 1and1?

Thanks.
Patrick

 

[Anthony Sun]

I sold many domain names that are regstered at 1and1. Its free push if you have 1and1 account.

Ok, but the buyer will need to pay for the transfer fee even both the seller and buyer are using the 1and1 account.

Anthony

:gn:

I'm just speaking from my experience. Its not my problem if you don't believe it.

How long ago was that?

Anthony

:gn:

 

[floatingworld]

Example:
A + B have 1+1 accounts
If person A wants to push a domain to person B, there will be a charge from 1+1.
1+1: crap for domainers.

 

[Anthony Sun]

1+1: crap for domainers.

Agree!

Anthony

:gn:

 

[Kate]

P.S. New math: 1and1 = 0

Pretty sums up everything

 

[PHATnames]

I wouldn't believe anything anybody tells you at 1+1.
The bottom line is this: if you have not cancelled the contract holding the original name registration AND received acknowledgement from 1+1 then you will get charged even if the name has been transferred to another registrar.
1+1 world's no.1 rubbish registrars

AGREED

 

[DADomains]

I am very interested in this thread because my story is exactly the same as the OP's. Mine might actually be worse since I regged 250 domains at 1and1 when I first started.

Not only that but I can tell you first hand that when you to try sell a 1and1 domain buyers avoid you like the plague. See my sale thread in my sig for instance. No response whatsoever to that sale and I have been told it's largely due to the domains being at 1and1.

Imagine, I can't sell my domains because they are at 1and1! I am so happy that I am now using Dynadot exclusively. It's way better in all respects and the domains cost only around 50 cents more. Still, what I am going to do with these 250 names, most of which I want to sell at this point, I have no idea.

Q: Does anyone know if after you pay the transfer fee to get the name out of 1and1 you get another year added to it? That would certainly soften the blow and it's how I see other registrars do it (like Dynadot). I guess not if 1and1's transfer fees are in addition to the one the receiving registar charges you. In a sense you would be paying twice for the move, and the extra year, thanks to 1and1. :td:

 

[tricolorro]

I am very interested in this thread because my story is exactly the same as the OP's. Mine might actually be worse since I regged 250 domains at 1and1 when I first started.

Not only that but I can tell you first hand that when you to try sell a 1and1 domain buyers avoid you like the plague. See my sale thread in my sig for instance. No response whatsoever to that sale and I have been told it's largely due to the domains being at 1and1.

Imagine, I can't sell my domains because they are at 1and1! I am so happy that I am now using Dynadot exclusively. It's way better in all respects and the domains cost only around 50 cents more. Still, what I am going to do with these 250 names, most of which I want to sell at this point, I have no idea.

Q: Does anyone know if after you pay the transfer fee to get the name out of 1and1 you get another year added to it? That would certainly soften the blow and it's how I see other registrars do it (like Dynadot). I guess not if 1and1's transfer fees are in addition to the one the receiving registar charges you. In a sense you would be paying twice for the move, and the extra year, thanks to 1and1. :td:

:hi:

when you to try sell a 1and1 domain buyers avoid you like the plague.

Now you know Sellers should avoid 1and1 like the plague also!

I am now using Dynadot exclusively. It's way better in all respects and the domains cost only around 50 cents more.

Remember once you've spent $500 in a calendar year or pre-load your account with $500m Dynadot will give you what they call wholesale pricing.

Q: Does anyone know if after you pay the transfer fee to get the name out of 1and1 you get another year added to it?

You don't pay a transfer fee to 1and1 if you are transferring a domain
out of 1and1.

You would pay the new Registrar and one additional year will be added
to the domain.

Exception: If you renew a domain at your current Registrar (any Registrar) after the expiration date and then transfer the domain away to another Registrar within 45 days, you would pay the new Registrar a transfer fee but will not get another year added.

From ICANN:
"Registrants who transfer names within the 45-day Auto-Renew Grace Period should check with the registrar from which they are transferring regarding a possible refund. Even though losing registrars receive refunds of auto-renewal fees they have paid to the registry in these circumstances, not all registrars make refunds to customers. The effect of failure of the losing registrar to refund is that the registrant pays registration fees to both the losing registrar (for the auto-renew) and to the gaining registrar (for the transfer), but only receives a one-year extension of term."

Full text can be found here: http://www.icann.org/announcements/advisory-06jun02.htm

I guess not if 1and1's transfer fees are in addition to the one the receiving registar charges you. In a sense you would be paying twice for the move, and the extra year, thanks to 1and1.

As I said above you are not double paying since you don't pay 1and1 if transferring out.

However if you have your domain set to auto-renew at 1and1 and they are set that way by default, 1and1 renews your domain a few days before expiration.

If you wanted to transfer away after 1and1 renews your domain and before actual expiration ,it's a toss up if you will get a refund.

It really depends which 1and1 rep you get.

Even if you ask for a Supervisor, you may or may not get a refund.

Patrick

 

[Anthony Sun]

However if you have your domain set to auto-renew at 1and1 and they are set that way by default, 1and1 renews your domain a few days before expiration.

If you wanted to transfer away after 1and1 renews your domain and before actual expiration ,it's a toss up if you will get a refund.


Patrick

This is good to know, Patrick.

On a side note, I just transfer 8 domains out of 1and1 today - it took me at least 1 hour for the process. I need to go through all 18 pages of my domain status pages (not the main domains page which you can get 100 at max on one page) which shows 10 domains at a time.

Anthony

 

[DADomains]

Great great info Patrick, thanks! I am so relieve to hear 1and1 won't charge me for the transfer out.

But if that's the case, why are people so reluctant to buy domains that are on 1and1? What's the big deal to pay to have them moved elsewhere? You're probably going to have to renew the name for another year anyway after you buy it. Just move them out of 1and1 when you do. In fact thats exactly what I am planning on doing when renew time comes up. Just renew/transfer them elsewhere.

Also, yes, I preloaded Dynadot to get the bulk pricing. Haven't regretted it since.

Oh and thanks for the auto renew warning at 1and1.

This is good to know, Patrick.

On a side note, I just transfer 8 domains out of 1and1 today - it took me at least 1 hour for the process. I need to go through all 18 pages of my domain status pages (not the main domains page which you can get 100 at max on one page) which shows 10 domains at a time.

Anthony

:o ==> ==>

 

[tricolorro]

This is good to know, Patrick.

On a side note, I just transfer 8 domains out of 1and1 today - it took me at least 1 hour for the process. I need to go through all 18 pages of my domain status pages (not the main domains page which you can get 100 at max on one page) which shows 10 domains at a time.

Anthony

" I just transfer 8 domains out of 1and1 today- it took me at least 1 hour for the process. I need to go through all 18 pages of my domain status pages..."

Anthony,

Suppose you were in Hell.

But you're a good guy and don't belong there.

You see an escape route but it's difficult terrain and takes hours to get out.

You succeed!

You're out!

Would you care how difficult and how long it took you to get out?

Or would you rejoice and celebrate that you escaped?

1and1 = Hell

Get out.

Get out now!

Get out anyway you can!

Get ALL your domains out!

Patrick

P.S. The above comments are sort of tongue in cheek but there is
some truth to it if you are a domainer or register lots of domains.

If you own one or a couple of domains that are very important to you
that you want to keep , then 1and1 is fine.

1and1 is just not good for domainers.

 

[mobite]

No, it's NOT free!

 

[DADomains]

Anthony, I PMed the following to you. I am posting it here in case anyone else has any insight into this.

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Hi Anthony,

I have a 1and1 question for you since you mentioned in the 1and1 thread that you successfully did a transfer out of 1and1 recently.

I sold some 1and1 domains and am now in the process of transferring them to the buyer. However even after following the instructions very carefully I am still not seeing the SHOW button on the “Outgoing Transfers” section of the Transfer screen from within the 1and1 control panel.

I know everything at 1and1 usually takes a day or two to take place, like DNS changes for instance. So I am hoping that I just have to wait for the transfer requests by the other registrar (Moniker in this case) to be acknowledged by 1and1.

My question to you is - How long did you have to wait before the SHOW button was available in Outgoing Transfers? Was it immediately after the other registrar made the transfer request, or did you have to wait a day or more for it to show up?

Thanks so much for any help with this.

-Tony

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BTW, it IS a long slow process to do this involving many screens and lots of clicks to get thru a large list of domains. :td:

So far though I am not being charged anything for the transfer from the 1and1 end of things, that I can see.

 

[tricolorro]

...I sold some 1and1 domains and am now in the process of transferring them to the buyer. However even after following the instructions very carefully I am still not seeing the SHOW button on the “Outgoing Transfers” section of the Transfer screen from within the 1and1 control panel.

Did you do the transfer out through Cancel.1and1.com?

That's where you make the transfers and cancellations- not from the
Control Panel.

Also make sure you Complete the order.

Once you complete the order you will be shown the Auth Code and instructed that you will receive a couple of emails from 1and1 which you must respond to or the transfer/cancellation will not go through.

Remember 1and1's motto:

"If it was easy, it wouldn't be 1and1".

So far though I am not being charged anything for the transfer from the 1and1 end of things, that I can see.

You won't be charged anything by 1and1 for transferring out.

Patrick

 

[DADomains]

Thanks for the reply Patrick.

Yes I did that and got the two emails. I even got a third "Confirmation of cancellation order" email after I clicked the link in the second email.

But nothing else has happened after that. The name is still in my domain list. WHOIS stills shows its under my name and the buyer hasn't received word of anything.

After talking directly to 1and1 on the phone and Anthony (OP of this thread) in a PM, it looks like the buyer's registrar is supposed to send me yet another email that I need to confirm. I haven't seen that email yet so I asked the buyer to double check the address that was used by his registrar to notify me. I should be the address listed in WHOIS. We'll have to wait and see what he finds out.

The good news: This could be a minor problem and, really, the process would not be that difficult at all, other clicking thru a huge list of domains 10 at a time.

The bad news: This could be a major problem and, really, the process would be very difficult under certain circumstance for very unfortunate people. Namely, me.

P.S. The missing Show Outgoing Transfers button I was talking about was mentioned in 1and1's instructions for all this. Looks like they need to update their instructions.

 

[Anthony Sun]

Anthony, I PMed the following to you. I am posting it here in case anyone else has any insight into this.

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Hi Anthony,

I have a 1and1 question for you since you mentioned in the 1and1 thread that you successfully did a transfer out of 1and1 recently.

I sold some 1and1 domains and am now in the process of transferring them to the buyer. However even after following the instructions very carefully I am still not seeing the SHOW button on the “Outgoing Transfers” section of the Transfer screen from within the 1and1 control panel.

I know everything at 1and1 usually takes a day or two to take place, like DNS changes for instance. So I am hoping that I just have to wait for the transfer requests by the other registrar (Moniker in this case) to be acknowledged by 1and1.

My question to you is - How long did you have to wait before the SHOW button was available in Outgoing Transfers? Was it immediately after the other registrar made the transfer request, or did you have to wait a day or more for it to show up?

Thanks so much for any help with this.

-Tony

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BTW, it IS a long slow process to do this involving many screens and lots of clicks to get thru a large list of domains. :td:

So far though I am not being charged anything for the transfer from the 1and1 end of things, that I can see.

Hi Tony,

I have no idea what SHOW button you are referrning to, but here is the procedure I followed:

1. Unlock the domain and give the buyer the authorization code.
2. Ask the buyer to initiate the transfer from his registrar.
3. You will receive a confirmation email which you need to click the link to OK the transfer.

That is all it take.
Hope that helps.

Anthony
P.S. PM replied too.