IDN Question

[Pred]

Hi Guys,
got a question from someone who knows very little about idn (me :D )

This auction is on sedo right now, what language are these letters in, they are obviously english l;anguage letters but are they from another language that has these letters? another european language?
If not, what is point?

Also i pasted in the code sedo supply into fdomaintools and it came up as 'f.com' which is reserved????

all this confusion really doesn't help

is this a mistake by sedo? also what is the relevance and language of domain? cheers
nb: i'm trying to learn a few bits here, thanks
http://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/auction_detail.php?language=e&auction_id=35964&tracked=&partnerid=

 

[Sleepys]

The f appear to be normal to me. It is the "¡" which is the wierd one. I am getting no results at all from Google, even without quotes. On the Sedo page, it kind of looks like an upside down exclamation mark!

is this a mistake by sedo? also what is the relevance and language of domain? cheers

I would say this is more likely an error by the bidders than by Sedo, for obvious reasons. It helps to always helps to search for the IDN in quotes, and if it is a regular word with an IDN in it that does not belong, you will get very few results. In this case we had to seperate the IDN letter from the real letter, because Google wasn't recognizing the letter. So to answer your question, I believe that this site has no relevence except that someone thinks its cool.

Unless...that could be a Spanish exclamation mark. I am still not sure what the significance would be. Now I am a little confused on it.

This can be viewed as a lesson. When selling IDNs a proper description would include a translation, at least into English. This should take priority over a paragraph about not paying for a winning auction (leave this to Sedo if you are selling on there :imho: )

 

[Pred]

The f appear to be normal to me. It is the "¡" which is the wierd one. I am getting no results at all from Google, even without quotes. On the Sedo page, it kind of looks like an upside down exclamation mark!



I would say this is more likely an error by the bidders than by Sedo, for obvious reasons. It helps to always helps to search for the IDN in quotes, and if it is a regular word with an IDN in it that does not belong, you will get very few results. In this case we had to seperate the IDN letter from the real letter, because Google wasn't recognizing the letter. So to answer your question, I believe that this site has no relevence except that someone thinks its cool.

Unless...that could be a Spanish exclamation mark. I am still not sure what the significance would be. Now I am a little confused on it.

This can be viewed as a lesson. When selling IDNs a proper description would include a translation, at least into English. This should take priority over a paragraph about not paying for a winning auction (leave this to Sedo if you are selling on there :imho: )

thanks
well my very recent ie and firefox don't support it
also when pasting in the idn punycode supplied by sedo on page: xn--f-5ba.com into domaintools, it comes up with the 'f.com' as described

either way i think i pity the winner as i can't fathom out what they're buying.
i do want to learn more about idn but these sort of things leave you scratching your head.
i'm sure someone will be able to enlighten me some more

repped

nb: agree seller is a dope for not using space to explain more rather than going on about nonpayers

 

[Phio]

Yes the seller should have been more descriptive. It looks to me like the 'i' is an upsidedown exclamation point that is used on the spanish keyboard.

It is used quite frequently when writing in Spanish.

An example would be ¡Hola!

Also quite prevalent in the Spanish is the upsidedown questionmark: ¿Que Paso?

Google ignores both the upsidedown question mark and exclamation point during it's searches, just like the rightside up versions.

Both of these characters are very useful in the language.

One can register ¡Hola or ¿QuePaso as an IDN and in my opinion they are good IDNs. "¡f" May not be very useful as a domain...unless the buyer has a specific need for the spanish market.

You can take a look at ¡hola.com to see how it looks on the browser. It is now a parked page but eventually can be developed into a site.

 

[Sleepys]

Thanks for the Rep :tu:

A rule of thumb I always use when regging an IDN or any name in a foreign language, is if I cant figure out what it means, I pass. There are also plenty of good names available to reg in various languages. It would probably be a good idea to wet your feet with some cheaper regs, rather than buying expensive domains at auction that you are unsure about.

Yes the seller should have been more descriptive. It looks to me like the 'i' is an upsidedown exclamation point that is used on the spanish keyboard.

It is used quite frequently when writing in Spanish.

An example would be ¡Hola!

That is what I thought. The seller should have explained, because it is hard to verify with search engines. I still can't figure out the relevence. Also, shouldn't it be ¡F! ? Unless it is just meant to look like the english word if.

 

[Phio]

The rightside up exclamation point and question mark is an invalid domain character. So only the upsidedown versions can be regged.

As far as "plenty of good names available to reg in various languages"

Top tier domains in almost all languages have been gone for a while. There are some nuggets out there to be discovered.

By 2001 most of the top 500 names and GEO names in the top 15 lanuages were grabbed up. Somewhere in 2006/2007 the hardcore miners set to task, and grabbed up alot of the remaining gold. You can still get some pretty good names on the forums for high xxx to low x,xxx. The really good ones are going for xx,xxx.

The nuggets are out there. I regged a couple today that I'm very happy with.

 

[Sleepys]

Top tier domains in almost all languages have been gone for a while. There are some nuggets out there to be discovered.

By 2001 most of the top 500 names and GEO names in the top 15 lanuages were grabbed up. Somewhere in 2006/2007 the hardcore miners set to task, and grabbed up alot of the remaining gold. You can still get some pretty good names on the forums for high xxx to low x,xxx. The really good ones are going for xx,xxx.

I am going to disagree with this right here. I reg plenty of names that are as good if not better than the names I see getting sold. It really depends I guess on how you do your searches. But I have found plenty of premium generics. I have also found my fair share of very large geo's, I still do all the time, and believe that I can find more any time I want (for a while longer at least). I enjoy hearing some of the big IDNers say that there is nothing good left to register, it means they won't be registering the names I want. Then again, I still find plenty of premium ascii names too and people say those have been gone forever. It is true, that the more mainstream the language for IDN's, such as Spanish, Russian, and German, the less premium stuff is available to register. If, however, you believe that Thai, or Portuguese, or certain other languages will ever take off, there are plenty of amazing one worders left. I will say that it is a rare Thai or Portuguese name that gets good earnings right now, but there are some out there too. I have also found lots of premium one word russian names . I have found Spanish names that get daily clicks. All since people said there was nothing left. Basically, I don't think you should ever give up searching for good names, plenty of those names that sold for $xxx were regged within the last few years (or months).

 

[Phio]

Okay, it's true that you can get better names than the ones being sold. But there are a few IDNrs that grabbed up a lot of prime IDNs quite some time ago that aren't selling or offering. You you can see they were regged in 2001 when you do your searches. Yes, thai and Portuguese are good bets and you can get some good names today. German and Russian are a bit harder to find.

There are some surprises out there that can be stumbled upon and grabbed up.
I'm curious what you found that can be considered a premium one word russian name, only because I've been doing quite a bit of searching lately in russian. Perhaps you got there before me.... =)

In russian, are you finding the .coms? Anyways, I consider premium one word russian names, those with a score of about 95+ on idn.bz

блог (blog) just sold for a thousand I believe and has a score of 68.

 

[domain_trader]

It all depends on what we are calling 'good'. There are still lots of good generic one-word dictionary terms, particularly in the less mined languages. My interest (and those of many IDNers) are ones that bring in the traffic and at least pay for themselves when parked. These are getting increasingly hard to find.

The average person probably has to go through 20-30 names before they find one that will pay for itself during the course of one year, and this is with a good deal of fine research (too much to warrant my effort any more). The chances of finding names like this, and the time that it takes to look for them, is getting longer and longer as time goes by.

Of course, if IDN takes off in the way some of us expect it to, even second rate names may bring home the traffic and money. The 'gems' may end up being everywhere. But those who scooped up the best ones early will benefit the most.

 

[Sleepys]

The average person probably has to go through 20-30 names before they find one that will pay for itself during the course of one year, and this is with a good deal of fine research (too much to warrant my effort any more). The chances of finding names like this, and the time that it takes to look for them, is getting longer and longer as time goes by.

This is kind of what I was talking about. As I mentioned, depending on the language, there are more or less available. Obviously, you are not going to find the very best Russian and Spanish names still available to hand register. However, that does not mean that "there is nothing left to register", as I always hear. The same is true for ascii .com's as well, despite what people want to think. I find plenty of names that make back reg fees or more all the time. It is also true that the longer we wait, the less will be available in each language.

In russian, are you finding the .coms? Anyways, I consider premium one word russian names, those with a score of about 95+ on idn.bz

блог (blog) just sold for a thousand I believe and has a score of 68.

I like idn.bz, but I was just introduced to it by Wot. I use my own metrics, and I would never rely solely on an automated appraisal service (I have seen some incorrect translations on there already, not to mention that it seems to punish 2 word names more than it should). That would be similar to regging names based on estibot scores, which I don't do either.

So, are you saying that you wouldn't consider blog.com in Russian to be premium, simply because the score is below 95?

 

[domain_trader]

Agreed - there are definitely some good names left that can be registered. The trick is finding them.

30% luck, 50% skill, 20% concentrated power of will.

 

[Sleepys]

Agreed - there are definitely some good names left that can be registered. The trick is finding them.

30% luck, 50% skill, 20% concentrated power of will.

I like the way you put that. + Rep

 

[ThaiIDNs]

I am going to disagree with this right here. I reg plenty of names that are as good if not better than the names I see getting sold. It really depends I guess on how you do your searches. But I have found plenty of premium generics. I have also found my fair share of very large geo's, I still do all the time, and believe that I can find more any time I want (for a while longer at least). I enjoy hearing some of the big IDNers say that there is nothing good left to register, it means they won't be registering the names I want. Then again, I still find plenty of premium ascii names too and people say those have been gone forever. It is true, that the more mainstream the language for IDN's, such as Spanish, Russian, and German, the less premium stuff is available to register. If, however, you believe that Thai, or Portuguese, or certain other languages will ever take off, there are plenty of amazing one worders left. I will say that it is a rare Thai or Portuguese name that gets good earnings right now, but there are some out there too. I have also found lots of premium one word russian names . I have found Spanish names that get daily clicks. All since people said there was nothing left. Basically, I don't think you should ever give up searching for good names, plenty of those names that sold for $xxx were regged within the last few years (or months).

I'd love to know what amazing Thai domains you are still regging? Have you ever had an offer on the ones you have regged, or earned the reg fee back in parking? Just curious

 

[Phio]

Hi ThaiIDN

some of my thai domains make reg fee easily...

I think that thai will take a little more time to really take off.

 

[Sleepys]

I'd love to know what amazing Thai domains you are still regging? Have you ever had an offer on the ones you have regged, or earned the reg fee back in parking? Just curious

Honestly I have not spent a ton of time of Thai names, so I only own a few of them. A few of them get a decent amount of visitors. A couple do better. I think that a few that I had on my list that were taken by other while I honed my regging strategy were the best ones I found.

I will send you a PM, I don't really like posting my hand regs.

 

[WhoNet]

Hi ThaiIDN,

I don't understand Thai, but I've collect following single Thai character's IDNs:

ข.net
ง.net
ป.net
ว.net
ฆ.net
ฃ.net
ฌ.net
ซ.net
ฎ.net
ฐ.net
ฏ.net
ฑ.net
ถ.net
ผ.net
ฒ.net
ฤ.net
ฯ.net
ฦ.net
ะ.net
ใ.net
๓.net
๔.net
๕.net
๗.net
๖.net
๘.net
ๅ.net
๒.net
๐.net

 

[ThaiIDNs]

Hi ThaiIDN

some of my thai domains make reg fee easily...

I think that thai will take a little more time to really take off.

I was actually asking about new thai regges that made money, but thanks for sharing anyway.

Hi ThaiIDN,

I don't understand Thai, but I've collect following single Thai character's IDNs:

ข.net
ง.net
ป.net
ว.net
ฆ.net
ฃ.net
ฌ.net
ซ.net
ฎ.net
ฐ.net
ฏ.net
ฑ.net
ถ.net
ผ.net
ฒ.net
ฤ.net
ฯ.net
ฦ.net
ะ.net
ใ.net
๓.net
๔.net
๕.net
๗.net
๖.net
๘.net
ๅ.net
๒.net
๐.net

I just simply wouldn't bother with thai .net names - .com names are hard enough to (a) get visitors to or (b) get offers on. You aren't likely to make reg fee back on .nets in the next 10 years.

 

[Phio]

Probably more like 20 years....I don't think there are too many computers in Bangkok. Course last time I checked it looked pretty much like LA over there.

 

[WhoNet]

Probably more like 20 years....I don't think there are too many computers in Bangkok. Course last time I checked it looked pretty much like LA over there.

If the Internet and me still alive after 20 years...

Let's say: to hold 30 domain names in 20 years:
US$10 * 30 * 20 = US$6,000


It is acceptable :D

 

[Fka200]

I just simply wouldn't bother with thai .net names - .com names are hard enough to (a) get visitors to or (b) get offers on. You aren't likely to make reg fee back on .nets in the next 10 years.

I have Thai domains that get constant traffic daily. In fact I just renewed 15+ Thai domains today.