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[smashfactory]

while conducting a little test for a post i made in another thread, i asked my 13 year old to go to fluff.tv, to see what she would type in- seems many people are told a tv site and they type in name.tv.COM-

my daughter did type in fluff.tv, but because she has had exposure to .tv- she liked acceptable.tv, so she was familiar...


and then, it hit me like a bigscreen on the back of the head... my 3 year old has mastered noggin.com and nickjr.com. my 7 year old has 10 times the bookmarked sites than i do. kids. we are missing the kids.

i looked thru several pages of tv names for sale in our forum. i looked thru all the sites on launched.tv. not a scrap for kids.

THEY are the "viral" on the web- they spread stuff faster than you can say tv. before i can call my neighbor about a site, my 13 year old has texted it to 10 of her friends. i think the boat is being missed on some good messengers for .tv-

 

[Shammy]

I agree that .tv seems to have ignored kids, even though there are a few good kid's sites recently. The revenue from merchandise is better than PPC in my experience.

As a dad, when my kids surf, it's scary to think that our young kids are only 1 or 2 clicks from porn and graphic violence. As much as I am for freedom, I also think that the Internet videos must be rated, so that they will not show to underage kids. Of course, it is up to the parents to police, but they need help. There are video scanning techniques recently developed that will automatically rate video so they can be shared with adults only or can be put on a kid's only site.

(You mentioned noggin.com, Smash - just an observation - one letter away at doggin.com you can get porn videos).

If it is reasonable to rate movies, television shows and video games, why not Internet video? I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreement, but maybe it can be done without stepping on our individual rights. I developed a .com site for 'g rated videos' (#2 on Google) and it gets a lot of hits from parents looking for kid friendly video. But as I am looking for video to post on my kid friendly .tv sites, I can't preview each video individually, and if they were 'rated' like television movies, it sure would help. Parents need to be able to find suitable material, and the .tv domain should offer a choice.

Do you think there should be a video rating system for .tv video content so that it is easier for developers like us to make kid friendly sites? I'd be interested for your comment, since this is your thread, Smash.

 

[TheBulldog]

So what is needed is a "clearinghouse" for uploaded content.

basically a site that catelogs millions of videos with ratings.

someone embeds their video link onto a form, then users rate the video. Then that site provides rss feeds or categories with those videos.

 

[localexperts]

So what is needed is a "clearinghouse" for uploaded content.

basically a site that catelogs millions of videos with ratings.

someone embeds their video link onto a form, then users rate the video. Then that site provides rss feeds or categories with those videos.

Sounds like YouTube

 

[scooby47]

We will be developing TinyTots.tv its just been side lined of late to a large scale development around our existing niche we are 2-3 weeks from launch of 14 new sites.

TinyTots.tv is very high on our radar to build out as we think this sector holds great potential. Launch estimated early 2008. March / April if all goes well - we do have a project plan scoped out for it .. so the back is broken on the work and some interested parties lined up.

Thanks for the compliments re the name it means alot .. especially when there is so much .tv expertise here. I am pleased with the name and have turned down a couple of tasty offers on it as we really do want to develop this.

Scooby

 

[smashfactory]

whatever i would do for a kids site, i would not allow open uploading from anyone, for anyone to view- even on youtube, people get away with a lot of crap and still falls under the radar of adult- geez, the gore alone ;-(

kids these days, they are not pong kinda kids- the sites that companies have developed i am sure cost a ton- if a kid gets bored, adios. we as adults may be happy with coming to namepros, but this to a kid- BORING.

its a delicate path that needs to be taken for a site to not come under fire and be safe, yet attractive enough for a kid.

i personally would do all original programming, and i have been mulling other ideas to incorperate a tv feel, without opening the doors to viewer submited material- and i believe it can be done, and done well-

 

[TheBulldog]

Sounds like YouTube

You think?

If youtube added ratings as in "g-rated", "pg-13 rated" then it would solve this problem

 

[smashfactory]

i would think that would be impossible- if people add their own rating, then they could lie- for youtube to check each one??? never happen

 

[localexperts]

You think?

If youtube added ratings as in "g-rated", "pg-13 rated" then it would solve this problem

They can do it for copyrighted stuff. For other stuff, make people pay a fee to get censor approval (to cover their cost) and appear on the YouTube++ network.

My 10 year old just published his first book. We paid $1,000 to get this book out to the public. I'm sure other artistic types would pay to get their content evaluated and distinguish it from the noise.

 

[TheBulldog]

Actually I agree with local, it isn't impossible.

In fact let me see if I can make this make sense.

I put up a site: videoratings.tv

Users can submit their youtube, metacafe, dailymotion, youporn, whatever embed codes with a general idea of what they think the rating is and a generic category that they think it fits into.

Other users then have the ability to watch the embedded video and "rate" it G, PG, R, X, and also vote on a possible better category via a drop down.

After a week of voting, the video then is placed into its voted rating and category, and people can search for these videos by rating and category to use the embed codes for their own sites, knowing that a group of people has voted and rated the thing.

No ratings on how good it is, this would only be a category and g-r-pg rating site.


would that solve the problem?

 

[equity78]

I agree with you 100 % DOTTIE original programming no user generated content. You would spend your day checking the content users uploaded, you would get parents saying how dare you allow my 6 year old to see that, you would get complaints all the time you would never be able to focus. You come up with an idea, you control it. If it succeeds it succeeds if it does not it does not but you do not have to worry about complaints or worse. If you screw up on a site geared toward kids there are a lot of things you have to worry about.

I understand your point on booger but I think Gumdrop is an excellent BRAND NAME.

Shammy I have read several articles by industry insiders who believe one day Internet Video will have a Ratings System.

Local I agree with you although there are a lot less who want to pay youtube anything than you might think. They do not keep control of every copyrighted video and I think it would be hard for every G or PG rated compared to what some consider R I mean someone may say just so long as there is no nudity my kid can see the female form, another may say I consider a thong R rated. YOU TUBE is not going to get into that debate IMO unless they just go with Family Friendly and define the other stuff as everything else. Then they may have critics go after them for censorship.
I think original programming for kids is the way to go. Again IMO

 

[hullswingerscom]

i have tots.tv 500 prem i was at the local Library checking my email as i have no internet at work .you get 1 hour there always kids on the computers so i had the idea of going for the name...one thing i noticed is that me.tv does not work on the library computers becouse of the child guard .....video is Disabled.no you tube for the real young.......point worth thinking about.

i am pleased i got tots.tv ill park it first see if it gets hits then develop...no video....
if you put totstv.com in godaddy it says $2,488.00 prem

 

[Shammy]

I don't think there can be any peer review of video (too subjective and subject to fraud), no outside human based rating system (too costly), and original programming (though I agree is best) is way too time consuming for a large website that accepts outside material and needs to keep fresh content.

The answer has to be technology. There are search engines being developed right now in Europe (Pharos Search Engine and Theseus Search Engine) that automatically index and catalog video and graphics. Google is probably working on this, too. The automated indexing (from what I hear) will be able to scan video frames (and the audio) find specific images, words, or even products in order to create a searchable video. For example, if you are looking for a 'blue car', it could scan millions of videos (that are already indexed) and present the videos that have a 'blue car' in them.

So, this technology could forseeably be used to rate videos based on nudity, violence, language, etc. Human intervention is not possible for the mass of videos being submitted.

 

[smashfactory]

actually, to avoid alot of this, i was thinkin... it doesnt exactly have to be "video" or multiple videos- it could be its own tv personality, on your .tv-
example- using gumdrop.tv front page, ooodles of stuff for girls, but the main vein thru the site, is an embedded tv screen you click o play, and the hostess of the site, sayyyyyyyyyyy her name is, i dont know, maybe Gumdrop, she comes on the tv and tells the little visitors whats new on the site, or explains how the site works, ect...
in different sections she could talk about different things (this is like a cartoon character, not a real person)
she could also have her "online diary" where there is a segment about her totally cool life....

see, that would be like tv on the site, without actually having to bring in questionable videos.
there is a world of ideas that you can do with tv- not just uploaded videos

 

[equity78]

I agree dottie and like the gumdrop idea, also gave you a plug on a blog post on dottvnation. Good thread IMO

 

[jeffoverman]

Smash your right on!

I did a similar thought but more so for teenagers, soaps on tv, addictions like text messages and how Justin.tv will be blowing myspace away in the future due to there powers and networks and its new growth.


Now your right on smash and cater to the younger audience. Its a huge thing.

My only concern with Justin and child sites for games and catering to children is the evil types and predators and etc. Would have to be heavily watched by parents and the owners of the sites. Same goes to Justin.tv, being in realtime and they can't monitor 100,000 sites all at same time.

Imagine building a social graph or network around young ones. 1 million users strong. Imagine Disney paying 1 million dollars per year for front page sponsorship.

Smash, your a mom. Go after this. You know what kids do and being a parent. I on other hand have just a young puppy that is nutty and spoiled. High maintence more so then my wife lol

Smash you need to do this!

Its calling your name out, write business plan, follow your passions, raise the seed capital and grow this thing

By the time your getting are older, .tv will be prime time realestate as Rick Schultz loves to say, they run the business while your living next door to frank schilling with a big .tv logo in gold on your private gate! Lol. How about that one! Invite us down in a few years and have some cocktails for the name pros .tv forum.

 

[CarryOn]

The answer has to be technology. There are search engines being developed right now in Europe (Pharos Search Engine and Theseus Search Engine) that automatically index and catalog video and graphics. Google is probably working on this, too. The automated indexing (from what I hear) will be able to scan video frames (and the audio) find specific images, words, or even products in order to create a searchable video. For example, if you are looking for a 'blue car', it could scan millions of videos (that are already indexed) and present the videos that have a 'blue car' in them.

Its almost certain that Google is working on this type of technology. Perhaps some of the video/TV advertising technology being rolled out with Nielsen will be utilized (see post I just made in industry news: http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv-appr...5-google-partnership-nielsen-shake-up-tv.html

But I think the best solution for the kids/toddlers market is more of a closed system like Smash discusses above. This completely side-steps the problem of censorship, rogue videos, angry parents, and potential lawsuits.

Smash - so did your son love www.brum.tv ??

 

[scooby47]

Hull

I dont think its very appropriate to have your swinging site on tots.tv

JMO

 

[smashfactory]

carryon- yes, he sat and clicked all over the big city for like a half hour straight!

jeff- thanks- we will have to see- a really good kids site takes cash and time- gotta work on both


equity- thanks! that means alot coming from you

 

[smashfactory]

just another note on this-
read this article:

http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/potw/52250/teen-millionaire

this girl runs whateverlife.com- yep, she is raking in the dough at 17- look at who her niche market is, and how much advertisers want on her site-

some quotes:

possible deal to help promote Britney Spears's new album on Jive Records.

Ashley has even turned down a deal for her own reality television program

Thanks to Ashley's work ethic and savvy cultivation of her peer group as a target market, Whateverlife began pulling in more teenage girls than a Justin Timberlake concert - about a million a day. With a big audience, the site attracted advertisers.