I hate Snapnames

[hrishi11]

I hate snapnames & pool. They make it impossible for anyone to get a good domain. Only the rich can afford the good domains now. For example, the a1.com auction that went for $260,000. Imagine if someone like you or me would have come upon that domain for reg fee after it expired... we would be quite rich. We could finally afford life's riches like a hot new ferrari or a nice house. With snapnames and pool around, this will never happen. I personally think domain buying would be much more exciting if snapnames and pool never existed.

 

[hrishi11]

so the reality to face... we can only register premiums if we have the $$... because of snapnames :p

 

[TUFKATH]

Alot of people seem to hate snapnames lol.

 

[Kate]

so the reality to face... we can only register premiums if we have the $$... because of snapnames :p

Just wait for CLS to come and you will never have a chance to catch dropping quality names for cheap again...

 

[selfmindead]

I agree with you since I'm a domain'er too. The problem is people own pool.com and snapnames.com and those people really like what they're doing cause they making a crapload of cash in the process. What our individual goals should be, is to find a niche like the one pool and snapnames found, and try it out.

It's only going to get harder. ICANN is implementing a new deleted domain registry called the Central Listing Service. It essentially brings all deleted domains into one directory and auction system. All bids will be placed through virtually any registrar, which will help to compound the demand.

sorry if this is off topic, but does anybody know where to read more about this?

- Jeremy

 

[fonzie_007]

It seems like a lot of us despise snapnames, however, what are we really going to do if we want a name that is dropping. I guess 90% of us are still going to go to snapnames. It doesn't guarantee us the domain, but it gives us a better shot at it. Snapnames seems to have about the same reputation as Microsoft. People hate the companies but continue to use their services/product.

 

[equity78]

Well no offernse to the opening poster but who shoul dhave gotten a1.com ? you ? That's a joke there is going to be interest in quality names snap names did not bid the price up people with more than you did this sounds more like a rich vs poor arguement. And at the end of the day everyone has a right to bid on the names so it does not sound like you have the budget to compete in this area of the market . NO one was regging a1.com for $8

 

[hrishi11]

Well no offernse to the opening poster but who shoul dhave gotten a1.com ? you ? That's a joke there is going to be interest in quality names snap names did not bid the price up people with more than you did this sounds more like a rich vs poor arguement. And at the end of the day everyone has a right to bid on the names so it does not sound like you have the budget to compete in this area of the market . NO one was regging a1.com for $8

You make a very poor argument. A 1-year domain term for $8 is SUPPOSED to be nothing more than that. Its not supposed to be carried on for a few weeks just so that snapnames can make money. I dont blame anyone for going to snapnames, heck... i do so myself sometimes. But whatever we may think, "they're such a good company because they reserve all the expired domains", the reality is they're just doing this to make a fortune out of domain hunters.

 

[equity78]

No you made the poor arguement the name is not an $8 name it is expired it does not belong to you or anybody else so there is a market for the name and the top price will get it as it should or should it just be given to you ? You cannot fault those who can afford premium names becuase you cannot.

A 1-year domain term for $8 is SUPPOSED to be nothing more than that. Its not supposed to be carried on for a few weeks just so that snapnames can make money.

ITS called an auction not a registration there are many things that sell for much more than their retail value.

 

[primacomputer]

It's only going to get harder. ICANN is implementing a new deleted domain registry called the Central Listing Service. It essentially brings all deleted domains into one directory and auction system. All bids will be placed through virtually any registrar, which will help to compound the demand.

Not true. CLS is a NSI system. They are trying to get permission from ICANN to roll it out but as far as I know this hasn't been formalised yet. If you don't like it let ICANN know. Why is it better for NSI to make the big bucks as opposed to Pool, Snapnames, etc. As much as I don't like the latter two I'll generally opt for anyone over NSI.

Well no offernse to the opening poster but who shoul dhave gotten a1.com ? you ? That's a joke there is going to be interest in quality names snap names did not bid the price up people with more than you did this sounds more like a rich vs poor arguement. And at the end of the day everyone has a right to bid on the names so it does not sound like you have the budget to compete in this area of the market . NO one was regging a1.com for $8

Perhaps. Maybe the original registrant paid a whopping $35 to Register.com, or even $50 to NSI way back. But he never had to bid on it, and he certainly didn't pay anywhere near $250k or whatever it went for.

I don't think many of you people realise that potential scope of what is happening here. A name used to drop and be available on a first come first serve basis. Now they are either auctioned off by the registrars or auctioned off by a third party who has a special deal with the registrar. This is a fundamental change in how things work.

Why don't we take this to the next step? Instead of letting someone renew a name at the end of the year we auction it off to the highest bidder. This is clearly a much fairer way to help a bunch of middle men make money at the expense of the consumer. A few tweaks to the registrars TOS, a little bending of the rules, and we're there. And we can use the same logic to justify this as we did to justify it with drops.

 

[equity78]

Why don't we take this to the next step? Instead of letting someone renew a name at the end of the year we auction it off to the highest bidder. This is clearly a much fairer way to help a bunch of middle men make money at the expense of the consumer. A few tweaks to the registrars TOS, a little bending of the rules, and we're there. And we can use the same logic to justify this as we did to justify it with drops.

THAT's funny, and expense to the consumer? Hey don't want to be expensed, keep track of your intellectual property and don't let your names expire.

 

[hrishi11]

Why don't we take this to the next step? Instead of letting someone renew a name at the end of the year we auction it off to the highest bidder. This is clearly a much fairer way to help a bunch of middle men make money at the expense of the consumer. A few tweaks to the registrars TOS, a little bending of the rules, and we're there. And we can use the same logic to justify this as we did to justify it with drops.

That would screw up everyone's website. Which means no one can have a website with its domain for more than a year.

 

[primacomputer]

THAT's funny, and expense to the consumer? Hey don't want to be expensed, keep track of your intellectual property and don't let your names expire.

What intellectual property might you be referring to? This thread is about domain names - Things which are provided as a service by registrars under pretty much any terms they choose. It's only funny if you don't understand it. Once you do it will cease to be funny and become scary.

That would screw up everyone's website. Which means no one can have a website with its domain for more than a year.

No it wouldn't. It would simply transfer profits from name appreciation away from the end user and give them to the middlemen. You could still run your website. There would simply be a different cost in your advertising budget for your registration fees. Look forward to it, since most people seem content to let their domain name rights be eroded for the chance to outbid someone for a crappy 3 char on pool.

 

[equity78]

If you find it scary then I feel sorry for you world has much bigger problems then your views on registrars. bottom line don't let yournames expire

 

[primacomputer]

I'm not the slightest bit worried about letting my names expire. Some people just don't get it. In fact, one of the scariest problems facing the domain name world right now is people who don't understand how these changes to the drop systems are eroding domain users rights.

Bottom line, if they can find away to auction drops they can find a way to auction non-drops. In fact they will be able to do pretty much anything they want if ICANN doesn't step in soon and lay down some clear rules to protect consumer rights.

 

[harpo]

jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way
he knows when you are sleeping he knows when you are awake
he knows if you been naughty so be good for goodness sake
jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the wayyyyyyyyyyy
ho ho ho merrrry xmas

 

[maximum]

sorry if this is off topic, but does anybody know where to read more about this?

http://www.verisign.com/products-se...main-central-listing-service/page_001103.html

An even bigger Verisign monopoly of the .com's and .net's (and later possibly .tv's and more). STINKS :imho:

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I use Pool, NameWinner, Snapnames, and others.

I mainly use Snapnames only when the domain belongs to one of their darn "Preffered Partners" (I say "darn" about their partners, simpy becuase a name never really drops this way and is the most unfair thing about the system...takes away the first-come-first-serve principle...albeit, most drop services have these "partnerships".). I would not otherwise, simply because for a good name you can bet all your bidding money that it will end-up in auction with enough members to make you question how far you can go before you'll end-up paying a end-user price for the name (I don't get them for that, but only to resell...so not worth it for most names).

NameWinner: I just haven't had any luck with. May be good , may be bad. But I've never seen a name I went after end-up going for more than I thought it might. So, still giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Pool: I've had good luck with them (no direct drop-catches for the $60, but then again I'm not going for $60 names..lol). But have gotten a few and had to bid on them, getting lucky enough to get nice end-price on some. My only real complaint about them is their "Hot List". Ever bid on a name there, and the bidding can match SnameNames numbers sometimes. I've learned to look elsewhere (sites like JustDropped and SnapCheck) and compare the lists. If a name is dropping I like listed on one of them, but Pool's people didn't notice it to put it on the "Hot List" (it appears on their site and is emailed to members the day before names drop), you can sometimes get it (if they catch the name) with few other Pool bidders going for it :gl:

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These drop services a monopoly of sorts? YES. But, if you were in their position, with their resources and money, wouldn't you (No religious comments here :lol )? We put our names on Sedo, Afternic, GreatDomains, etc., or sell them from our own sites. Why? Like a few members said above, it is business. We are in it for the money. It always has been, and always will be (right or not, in our opinions), abut the big guys trying to take advantage of the little guys (if not wipe their businesses out completely). It is the money game we all are here to play. For my part, I just try to outsmart them (rarely works, but some days you catch what they miss), and hope that they miss the name that will one day make it so I don't have to play the game so much anymore (ie: Read between the lines: The $$$$$ name Pool's people won't see dropping :hehe: ).

Just ranting things :imho:

 

[Grrilla]

jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way
he knows when you are sleeping he knows when you are awake
he knows if you been naughty so be good for goodness sake
jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the wayyyyyyyyyyy
ho ho ho merrrry xmas

My, my my. I can see that Snapnames is only going to get lumps of coal in their stockings this year. Poor, Snapnames. They only have themselves to blame, though. They've been very, very naughty, little snappers, this year. *<} ho-ho-ho and to all a good night!

 

[harpo]

lumps of coal has been known to fuel an entire civilzation
cling cling cling cling
snap goes the ...........................

 

[maximum]

My, my my. I can see that Snapnames is only going to get lumps of coal in their stockings this year. Poor, Snapnames.

:lol: They sure will. I am having a legal battle with another register now, but it is over a few .tv names (which Verisign - SnapNames parent company - is the registry for...and Verisign may end-up part of the battle as well). Any day now (and hopefully before Christmas :hehe: ), they will be recieving a federal subpoena for records. It won't make a big dent in their Christmas. Heck, their lawyers probably see so many a year, it won't make them flinch. But, I for one, am atleast trying to do my part to add to the Christmas Spirit in Mountain View, CA (their home office).
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Dear Verisign Staff,

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you there at Verisign, Network Solutions, and SnapNames!
Your coal is on its way, via certified courier (Don't you just love lawyers? :p )!

Wishing you a Merry X-Mas,
Sanata
:santa:

 

[harpo]

what happened to love thy neighbor?