I am confused!!!

[playergrant]

Hi everyone I am new and am very confused as to what makes a domain valuable. Just when I think I understand I see something to throw me. under the high priced domains section there is a domain; HollywoodBars.com. I do not know how acurate they are but I did a estibot appraisal and keyword discovery search and according to both of them hardly nothing? If anyone can help me to understand what makes a domain valuable PLEASE HELP. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Spade]

..... dont ever brag about your sales. It puts you on Google and when people search you they see that you sell names. Big turn off. 89% of people dont get that, and they like to brag, so they only get one big sale maybe......

I have www.findlandattorney.com sold for 125K, and am waiting for the wire on Monday.....

You dont think its funny that you just said that?

 

[tkstark]

Everyone in here is an expert on domain names, that's the first thing you need to know about names.

No one knows anything about names, and that's the second thing you need to know about domain names.

Most of the "real" players, making 2-10 Million a year no one knows about, and we like it that way. About 80% of the industry is wanna-bees holding
onto crap names trying to be a player.

Most of the large domain sales by the leaders, are not registered. I never tell DNJ my sales for obvious reasons but sometimes some slip like christians.com but other than that, dont ever brag about your sales. It puts you on Google and when people search you they see that you sell names. Big turn off. 89% of people dont get that, and they like to brag, so they only get one big sale maybe.

I have www.findlandattorney.com sold for 125K, and am waiting for the wire on Monday, but most everyone is just trying to sell names. Problem is, most of the names make no sense. Think of it like real estate.

Hollywoodbars.com by itself is not worth the reg fees. But, if you put up a creative forum, where drunk lil wannabees can spill the beans on who nailed who, what fight they saw, etc... and then charge bars a fee to advertise, then charge the taxis a fee to advertise, and riddle it with adsense you might make around 200.00 a week.

Sell it for 5000.00 and be done with it.

I recently ran an ad looking for one worders and two worders and all I got was strange names that made no sense and everyone wanting 50000 or better for them. When you tell them it's worthless, they cry to the admins.

So if you want to know about domain names, just start doing your own thing and make money at it and keep your mouth shut.

comedy routine, right? you're doing a parody of a crass, big-headed, rich arse with a tiny weener trying to persuade himself he's actually got the biggest weener in the room and everybody else is just a dumb pygmie? hilarious. rght down to the funny 'dot com king' moniker and 'millioniare' tag. priceless.

 

[Day Dreamer]

comedy routine, right? you're doing a parody of a crass, big-headed, rich arse with a tiny weener trying to persuade himself he's actually got the biggest weener in the room and everybody else is just a dumb pygmie? hilarious. rght down to the funny 'dot com king' moniker and 'millioniare' tag. priceless.

Ahh, a noob. Upset and pissy to find out the truth. Tell you what, since you decided to make this public. PDQ your income tax returns for 2008. If you beat me, Ill post a public apology. If you cant beat 3.8, dont bother.

Now Ill post mine, if you post yours first since you decided to make this public. So you go first and ill post mine. That should settle it.

P

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Last year, around this time actually, I reg'd eCenterfold.com for $7 or $8 I don't remember. The response in the appraisal section was less than impressive. I then turned around and sold the name for $2,500 alittle over a month later.

I find that if I stick with my gut I do ok. My buyers don't seem to really care what other domainers say...Just my experience....

thats how you make money in this business. Good sale.

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comedy routine, right? you're doing a parody of a crass, big-headed, rich arse with a tiny weener trying to persuade himself he's actually got the biggest weener in the room and everybody else is just a dumb pygmie? hilarious. rght down to the funny 'dot com king' moniker and 'millioniare' tag. priceless.

BTW, I donated some NP to you just out of pitty.

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You dont think its funny that you just said that?

yes, that was the point!

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Who doesnt get confused ? When i first entered this domain field all those crap that i registered at first i thought were very powerful and good domains about 30 of them , i ended up selling like 4-5 and all other dropped or expired. My point is sites like estibot isn't entirely to be blamed for such confusion and high expectations of the beginners.
Yes they do add the dreams but when people first enter the domain industry they dont see the market values , stats and all that but they see the prices of sold domains, in sedo , np, dnf and so on and we do know sometimes crap domains also go for high price.

I am not trying to defend estibot or anything but those bots arent only to be blamed , its also the ignorance of people when they first enter the industry with rags to riches dreams lol

And one thing , when i first came to the domain business i also listed my domains for XXXs and XXXXs lol , there was no estibot ( well it was there but i didnt have clue of its existence )

It happens , but estibot is also aint that bad , i use it sometimes for the data it gives, such as pr , ppc, alexa rank ...

But you are right too , estibot creates too much confusion for the beginners and some people rely on it so much they become complete ignorant.

@ thread opener

Well you should read , read and read on , follow the market ,learn more about what kind of word , keyword makes the domain more valuable .
And before registering anykind of domain , research it first , how popular the word or the keyword is , use google keyword to find how much searches the word/keyword gets monthly and so on. Like someone first replied all you can do is read and read and it never ends.

People are still using estibot? LMFAO

 

[tkstark]

Ahh, a noob. Upset and pissy to find out the truth. Tell you what, since you decided to make this public. PDQ your income tax returns for 2008. If you beat me, Ill post a public apology. If you cant beat 3.8, dont bother.

Now Ill post mine, if you post yours first since you decided to make this public. So you go first and ill post mine. That should settle it.



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BTW, I donated some NP to you just out of pitty.

hah! still in character! rotfl!

 

[Day Dreamer]

hah! still in character! rotfl!

I think the statement was post your income tax returns. You going to do that? Hey, at least thank me for the 10000 NP I gave you. Nah, I guess not huh?

 

[mjbenterprises]

wow... 10,000 NP... That's a nice donation.... I think he should thank you also... No one else would even donate 1 NP , let alone 10,000....

 

[tkstark]

just in case your rich arse routine isn't a put on, let me clarify: i never intended to question your wealth. clearly you are highly successful. but you're so over the top ('dot com king, dot com millioniare' - tee hee) that i thought maybe you were pretending about the asshole part. but maybe i was wrong.

as for thanking you...nope. that'll never happen. because you and i both know why you did it. i just handed you an opportunity to publicly lord it over the little people a while longer and to show the snotty-nosed buggers their place.

i'm sure the people here who are impressed by wealth already were in your thrall. those of us who aren't know that i'm not the one in need of pity.

but, hey, i'm going to try to keep believing you're really a nice guy poking fun at an ugly stereotype.

 

[mjbenterprises]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd call him the DotComGodoftheUniverse if he forked over that kind of dough to me....

Plus, isn't everyone an internet millionaire?? Hell, just today I closed a deal over 1 million, and I did it while I was in chat rooms and forums all day...

 

[Day Dreamer]

All I want is a thanks for shelling out 10000 NP to him.

 

[garptrader]

I have heard it said many times that a domain is worth what a buyer is willing to pay and no more. And like most things if a buyer doesn't believe they are getting a good deal acquiring your domain at some price, then you are going to have a difficult time convincing them to do buy it at that price. OK some folks are better at selling than others.

One member of this forum who I consider to be a whiz at development/monetization has commented that domainers today need to take a different approach than those who entered the industry 8-12 years ago. Forget about looking for great domains in the drop lists. The drop lists are 99.5% junk. Either acquire great domains at good prices from other domainers or develop the best domains you have. And he views monetization via Adsense and affiliates as suboptimal.

 

[tkstark]

All I want is a thanks for shelling out 10000 NP to him.

meeester king, sir, i didn't ask for your stinkin np. plus, i'm a big enough noob that i'm not sure what an np is (tho i know that they can be used in some places online like money, i think). did it cost you money to donate it? a lot of money? would you like it back?

how about i modify my sig to read: dot com king, bless his royal heart, donated 10,000 np to me to show how rich he is and how pitiable a wretch i am.

how about that?

and maybe they'll let me change my name to 'dot com peon'. or maybe just 'pitiable.'

would that be jake?

 

[Nodws]

Hey I want some of that pitty monies too :p lol

 

[localexperts]

Most long tail geos like this are either

a) being dropped
b) available for sale in the range $20-$1499
c) owned by Marchex or Getalink.com

If you have a portfolio of these type of names, I see value. But individually, these domains would need to be developed.

Personally, HollywoodBars.com is OK. I wouldn't go after it.

I was able to buy BeverlyHillsWedding.com for $289. I see similiar value for HollywoodBars.com.

First problem, Hollywood, CA is not a large city like Chicago, IL which has more bars.

Second issue, bars aren't huge advertisers offline or online (yellow page, PPC, newspapers, lead gen, etc).

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So if you want to know about domain names, just start doing your own thing and make money at it and keep your mouth shut.

Probably a sound suggestion. Too many domainers who do this as a part time job speak as if they are experts, often disagreeing with domainers who generate thousands a day from their development and investments. If I was a nob, I would want to distinguish and listen to people who are semi-retired and can live off domaining vs people who do this as a hobby (because they can't feed their family off their domain investments).

As for estibot, it is written by a coder. As a coder (myself), I realize all software has the bias of the programmer who wrote that code. That bias may or may not be accurate of current market conditions.

 

[jeffoverman]

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[Day Dreamer]

meeester king, sir, i didn't ask for your stinkin np. plus, i'm a big enough noob that i'm not sure what an np is (tho i know that they can be used in some places online like money, i think). did it cost you money to donate it? a lot of money? would you like it back?

how about i modify my sig to read: dot com king, bless his royal heart, donated 10,000 np to me to show how rich he is and how pitiable a wretch i am.

how about that?

and maybe they'll let me change my name to 'dot com peon'. or maybe just 'pitiable.'

would that be jake?

If you could send them back, it would be great. Yes, it cost money.

 

[Robbie]

I have www.findlandattorney.com sold for 125K, and am waiting for the wire on Monday,

I think the domain you meant to put was FinlandAttorney.com - The one above doesnt resolve as it isnt regged.

If the name was FinlandAttorney.com that you own - I would like to say that you are one of the dot com kings.

 

[bmugford]

I assume you mean FinlandAttorney.com? If you have sold that for $125K than you are a magician, because the term is only taken in .COM and has barely 1000 exact Google Results.

Even the broad search volume is only 91 for the term.

Brad

I have www.findlandattorney.com sold for 125K, and am waiting for the wire on Monday, but most everyone is just trying to sell names. Problem is, most of the names make no sense. Think of it like real estate.

 

[tkstark]

If you could send them back, it would be great. Yes, it cost money.

naw, i've been reading up on these np thingies. i think i'll hold on to them.

 

[matrigaldo]

Dot_Com_King what can we do to receive some NP donations? Go against you or agree with all you say? :lol: :lol:


Just kidding, eh :hehe:

 

[Jingles]

While I appreciate some people liking this name and others not, as the owner of HollywoodBars I don't remember starting this thread and asking for anyone's appraisals and/or thoughts in the first place. To be honest, I think it's rather poor taste to call out one of another member's names and suddenly start a whole conversation of whether it's valuable or not.

Any further inquiries, "appraisals" and personal thoughts on this particular name can be sent to Kevin Leto.