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  1. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP Trusted Blogger

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    It is a clever idea and creative - it might work. I think the high renewal cost for .best will dampen the individual market, but as I said earlier for a tv show, boik, social media, contest etc that renewal not as much a factor.

    One thing to watch in your promotion is what others are doing with .best. It has recently been redirected and repromoted (they were at NamesCon for example). If you find someone doing something related, make sure to use that in your pitch. If/when new sales are announced note them and use. If on Twitter follow those leading the extension.

    Bob
     
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  2. Va S

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    Mine would be all hand registry. Never taken premium. And I think it will be some time before I learn to pay any bit more than registrar cost.

    Paying 50$ is also not something which I'm comfortable with considering I am not confident about my choices. I may just blow up all my money, 50$ at a time! (Till I learn)

    So I am looking at lets say <10$ flipping for 20$ 30$ like that. Is it viable, possible, popular?
     
  3. Bob Hawkes

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    It certainly happens a lot. For every .com sale above $100 there are almost 10 sales below $100, the majority at less than $20. The only place to do such sales though are registrar marketplaces, NPs, Ebay and a few others. I think it works for some types of names but is not easy.

    Bob
     
  4. Va S

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    I go through many lists and save a lot of them which I like. I think my sense of quality in a domain name is say 2 out of 10. I will post my lists soon for you guys to validate. But I am not in a position to pay anything more than registry cost. So these would be registry cost domains itself, deleted, available ones.

    I wouldn't be abandoning husband.best. I just meant I will go about it more practically, and rationally, and be collected about it, not emotional.
     
  5. gilescoley

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    A few pointers to help you out

    Quality over quantity

    Shorter is usually better, there are exceptions

    Rather pay $200 or $500 for 1 or 2 names that you can sell, dont fall for the newbie registration frenzy and rack up 100 hand registered names and think you will sell them, you wont and will get a nice renewal shock 12 months from now

    Once you understand domain value, which will take months of reading, email existing owners to try and negotiate a bargain

    Dont go and hand register available names, it doesn't work unless you really understand domains, marketing and brands. Many domainers will tell you they buy and sell hand-regged names all the time, 99% of it is BS, unless its to fellow domainers for reg price or less

    Avoid strange extensions and weak cctlds, focus on .com until you have made some sales. Then reinvest that money to buy another name.

    Avoid hyphens and numbers in domains
     
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  6. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP Trusted Blogger

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    I simply disagree with this statement. I respectfully believe it is stating something as fact that is not supported by evidence. Go to the Report Completed Sales Here thread on NPs. Scroll through a statistically significant number of pages. Look in particular at sales price, acquisition and hold time. A couple of us have done analysis of a portion of the data. It clearly shows a lot of hand reg sales at significant prices (by significant I mean above median .com sales prices, not significant as in $$$$$).

    So is the explanation that 99% are BS as the poster claims. Quite apart from that being a harsh (and I would argue unfounded) assertion and condemnation of many many active NPs members, what exactly is the payoff for anyone posting fake sales to the thread? Maybe attempt to win stature. But think about how easy it would be to disprove a sale if someone looks into it. Any of us can check if the domain name changed ownership. Also, we can check using archival tools if it was listed on the marketplace where it was claimed to sell and is now gone. But maybe they just lie on price you say? So why would someone inflate a price on a public venue that national tax authorities could, and probably do on occasion, check. Are there fake sales reported by members? Many of the marketplaces have active representations on NPs, and there is some chance that a false claim of a sale would be noticed by that person and reported. In the thousands and thousands of sales I am sure there probably are a few. Are 99% fake. That, in my opinion, is not true.

    It is unfortunate that a post with some good advice (emphasize quality over quantity and take time to really know markets before acquiring much) also goes on to state some things not supported by evidence.

    It is also important to realize that parts of like the following are something to consider but should not be treated as absolute rules not to be broken, in my opinion. There are of course some numbered domains and even number letter combinations that sell for good value, and in some markets, especially parts of Europe, hyphens are not only accepted but sometimes preferred. If for example you look at .de (to narrow results to that market) about 15% of sales include hyphens.
    Personally I have a single hyphen domain name in a portfolio of 250+. But if considering a name where Europe is a likely market, or where I could obtain one at a value price for the name, I do consider them.

    Bob
     
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  7. Va S

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    Nice and useful summary! Thanks a lot for this.

    "dont fall for the newbie registration frenzy and rack up 100 hand registered names and think you will sell them, you wont and will get a nice renewal shock 12 months from now"

    Agree very much to this. Time flies and it is time for renewal. You can't leave them, can't keep them. Nightmare!

    Thanks.
     
  8. gilescoley

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    It actually is supported by evidence and I have done this check many times over the years, usually people who tell me that I am talking rubbish and and to mind my own business for trying to give some advice. I have actually picked a few random people who have made sales and checked whoisology and see how many names they own, you will be shocked at some of the results, then check namepros and other platforms at how many sales they have made?

    Yes, there are people who come into domaining and start making good money straight away, but this is usually because they are careful and dont take big risks and then there are some people just have a knack for names, branding and selling. This is the exception though.

    As my post states, its not the odd hand-reg sale, its the people who say they make hand-reg sales all the time, ask them to mention a few of their sales and see how many they name and the sales prices. Go and check how many of the those hand registered names actually sell, yes, you will see the odd hand-reg sell on the "Report Completed Sales" thread, but then check how many names those people own, how many renewals they have, what price they sold the names for, and you will that most of them are running and a loss, some of them at a huge loss. Some of them have 200, 500 or 1000 names in a variety of extensions, but then sell a name for $200 which they bought for $10 and post it, the following week their renewals have eaten away any profit they made from the sale, its not a a good game plan for anyone new to this game to follow. They will lose money most of the time.

    Regarding hyphens and numbers, yes there are sales, especially hyphens in .DE to german and numerical names to Chinese buyers, but its not something anyone new to the game would know about and it would silly to register those domains when starting out, and my post was obviously aimed at the OP, who signed up 3 days ago.

    I didnt say all the sales are fake, I have seen people say they make regular sales of hand-regged names and most of those are not true. As you said, you only have check the WHOIS info to see if names have changed hands. I'm not "condemning" any NP members as you call it, that's a little dramatic :xf.smile:, I'm saying that most people who state they make regular hand-reg sales are not true, because I've asked people before to name a few sales and then they dont back up their claims or say they dont report their sales, strangely, you will notice most of them are new to the industry. Its not having a go at anyone, its just warning new domainers who read these claims and then believe they go and go and register 20 or 50 names and they will be able to sell them in a week, this is just not true. Domaining is not a get rich quick game.

    This is not what I said if you read the post again. You will also find most of the sales on the thread are not hand registered names and if they are, most are not recent hand regged names (2018/2019)


    Its just advice, people dont have to take it but its out there. If it saves people some money, then its serves its purpose IMO.
     
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  9. EbookLover

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    I don't agree with most of the others who are saying that the word locations are what kills this domain the most.

    What kills this domain the most is a combination of the low commercial value of the name and the $80 renewal price for that TLD :xf.eek:.

    I would not stay away from all ngtlds, but certainly stay away from any that have such high renewal prices. The reason is because you will likely never sell a ngtld in a years time, so those renewal prices will kill all your profits.
     
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  10. EbookLover

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    Since you have limited funds and low confidence in yourself, make sure you list that for sale on some marketplaces and hope for the best in a year's time. I'd list it at $200 or 300 with make offer. After a year, drop it.
     
  11. bmugford

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    You can debate the actual statistics, but there is really no debating that the average registered domain is higher quality than the average unregistered domain.

    Many new users go down this rabbit hole of buying a hand reg, then another, then another...and you end up with hundreds of low quality domains with low resale potential and high renewals.

    I agree that buying quality names (which are usually already registered) is a more productive use of resources. It generally leads to higher quality domains, which leads to a higher possibility of sale.

    The problem here however is you really need to go through the first stage to understand what a good domain is. It is a learning process. The people who stick around learn and evolve. The vast majority though just waste money and flame out.

    Unless the person knows what a high quality domain is, then it really doesn't matter. Without that knowledge, spending more on a domain might not lead to a higher quality domain, it could also lead to an expedited loss of money.

    Brad
     
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  12. Va S

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    In one of the posts yesterday, someone apparently from the .best registry informed that renewals will be 15$. Not sure if this is going to happen. If it does, saves me some. See below.

     
  13. Bob Hawkes

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    I think this thread is getting pretty far from the initial topic, but I did want to respond to those who have kindly responded to me above.

    First thank you for your clarification, @gilescoley that your statement (below) was only intended to refer to those who say they sell hand-reg without actually listing them. I interpreted your statement as saying that those who report (e.g. in Report Completed Sales Here thread) regular sales of hand-regs are 99% fake, and that is why I responded strongly to your post. My apologies. It was only after you explained it that the thought of interpreting your statement in the way that you meant it occurred to me (although with that explanation I do see it might be interpreted that way).
    In your most recent post you say the following:
    I urge each person to read a number of pages of the thread and form their own conclusions. In fact a couple of months ago I was interested in where domains were selling and looked at about a month of the thread, and was surprised that well over half were hand-reg which I defined as hand reg by the person that sold them, so I think would qualify as hand reg by your definition.

    About the same time top member @Trent1000 did a far more extensive survey of a whole year of data (but just looking at names that sold after outbound, that I agree would bias towards hand reg and geo to some degree). Anyway his superb analysis of 200+ self-reported sales over an entire year found that 78% had been hand reg, a number consistent (considering bias for outbound) with the roughly 64% I found in my monthly analysis of all self-reported domain sales on the thread. You can see his complete analysis that looks at rices, where sold, types of names etc. at this link. Analysis is for 2018 year.
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/namepros-reported-outbound-sales-of-2018-analysis.1117029/

    I like almost everything you say @bmugford in your reply above. Agree that most new, including me:xf.wink:, chased too many low quality hand-reg in early days of domaining excitement/addiction and new should be encouraged to go slow and seek quality (in fact in my advice to new domain investors written last year my first three points from a long list are start slowly, be realistic and choose quality over quantity).

    While agreeing with your statement below (although lots of registered domains are low quality we would both agree I think!) ignoring hand-reg possibilities, or seeing value just because a domain name has been registered a long time, can lead to less than optimum decisions, in my opinion.
    I was surprised that when I checked many of the names in the hand-reg Feb .com contest although registered in the month as hand-reg (including my own entry I discovered), had been registered on and off in the past and expired. I think knowing that, or if it is currently registered, is one data point in evaluating a domain name, but only one. And how legitimately there are end users for a name is the one consideration that trumps all others, in my humble opinion.

    Bob
     
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  14. Va S

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    I am beginning to feel (in a positive way) that domaining is more complex than any science on this earth. There is SO much to learn. So many options, combinations, tips and tricks. Never ending stories and analysis. I wonder why I didn't jump fully on this wagon 10 years ago.

    I am going to now!
     
  15. EbookLover

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    Well I went and read that thread. But here's what I say.

    Even if they renewals come down to $15, it's still not a good domain given it's low commercial value.

    Then, when you take into consideration they are planning a social site around the .best TLD, where they are encouraging people to reviews stuff, that also does not make your domain look good. I mean, what commercial value does a review site for husbands have?

    BUT, if the renewal price does come down, it may have some "sentimental" value for some wife who adores her husband. That's all the value I can see, personally.
     
  16. Va S

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    I think the registrar kept the domain "www. THE .BEST" to themselves and they plan to jump on to the Social Networking bandwagon using that. They are branding it as social, and also talking about reviews. I think they are going all over the place for just some hype.

    the.best
    lawyer.best
    husband.best

    If it takes off, it may take limelight away from the other true commercial sites like lawyer.best, and if that happens, I think all those sites, will shut down the.best, can't afford one site to take the limelight. (Am I right here? Do/don't such things happen?)

    husband.best getting affected? I think I will exit long before that starts happening, if it does.

    I didn't expect a lot of commercial value when I took husband.best, just thought of it as a fun site or a show off trophy site.

    Yes, at a renewal price of 15$ continuing the sentimental value for a couple of years is probably affordable.
     
  17. EbookLover

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    Yes, I sensed a lot of empty hype, too, when I read that thread.
     
  18. gilescoley

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    I think maybe we see hand-regged names differently or I didnt clarify my way of seeing it, as I said, some new domainers (1-4 years experience) who say they hand-registered names regularly and make regular sales, Ive seen many of them on here stating this, those are the people I'm referring to.
    If someone hand-registered a name in 2002, 2005 or 2007, then the chances are the quality is a lot better and easier to sell. Im really referring to some of the newer guys who say they hand-reg names and sell them regularly, not some domainer who hand-regged a name in 2009 and then sold it for $2k 8 yrs later, this happens all the time.

    I have seen that analysis before by trent100, the question is "when" were the names he used for that hand-regged? And also are the regular new guys claiming to make regular sales part of that analysis? This is also for 1 year, would love to see it over 10 or 15 years. There are a lot of variables that can make stats look better (or worse) than they are. I would love someone to run those stats on a group of users I hand pick who have made some outrageous statements over the years.

    You make some very valid points Bob.
     
  19. Bob Hawkes

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    My understanding is he used all that were posted in that thread that were stated as outbound contact. Re hand reg I think he just went by if they said that.

    I agree with you that there are hand regs and hand regs. A name registered 15 years ago and renewed by same person and now sold was a hand reg but I think is not what most of us mean by hand reg. In the one month I analyzed I only counted as hand reg if 2 or fewer renewals since the person hand reg. Even with that definition more than half of sales are hand-reg.

    Interestingly if you analyze with Whois NameBio sales most are not hand reg, at least for the few dozen I manually looked at. I am not sure how to reconcile this. Interestingly after someone claimed this as evidence of importance of domain age on price, I analyzed some really low price sales ($10 and less - I have a NameBio subscription). It was tiresome and I did a tiny sample but the ones that went for nothing were almost equally aged. For a tiny non statistically significant sample age did not seem to predict price but almost all were aged.

    I don't doubt the validity of most of the self-reported sales. It also was remarkable how many were at Undeveloped and how few at Sedo. Undeveloped do not show age like e.g. Dynadot Market and NameJet, that are both in NameBio do. Does not reporting age help hand regs sell?

    Anyway, it's a question that I plan to invest more research in. I have no agenda one way or the other I am pushing, other than as evidence supported answer as possible.

    Bob
     
  20. Cyril.Best

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    Hi everybody,

    Sorry to join this thread so lately so feel free to ask any questions you can have about the .Best on our overall SEO experience.

    As for husband.com, it's funny for me to see the same debate in terms of how to value a single ngtld since 2012.

    I know that everyone has its own religion on the question so I will not try to convince you about the benefits of using a .best domain but I will try to make it as much subjective as it can be.

    I know that you will consider that I am not because I am now the CEO of the .Best registry and I totally get it, so I will just speak about our business experience before the .Best acquisition.

    So, not a lot of people know that but before making the acquisition of the .Best, we were both Domainers and SEO experts.

    I not only bought many .Best domains like hotels.best, hotel.best, restaurants.best, vegas.best, spas.best ... even before the .best acquisition but also many other ngtld domains and of course .com and others cctlds domains.

    We were the owner of +50K domains. I mean not just 50K domains but 50k real websites : Websites having traffic and making money ;) Money that we put on the acquisition of the .Best coz this is something really important : We funded the acquisition of the .best with our own money, not the money of investors.

    So trust me, when it's your money and when you make a all-in, you do not think only once, neither twice but you think about it again and again to the point that you know it for sure.

    We were one of the largest domain portfolio in Europe and the biggest affiliate (lead generator) company in Europe - and basically a team of 10 SEO experts with 20 years of experience for each.

    So, just to say it - it was not just a decision of myself only. It was a collegiate decision of 10 f*cking SEO experts.

    We sold our business to shift and make the acquisition of the .Best because after 2 years of testing almost all ngltds in terms of SEO, we had the final track record and see the real potential of the .Best (not only on the registry part but also on the social network part - on this I will create a specific thread for your questions).

    And during the last 2 years, we tested almost all ngtlds : .best, .website, .top, .xyz, .sexy, .online, ...

    Why this is so important ? Coz 99% of domainers are just traders, not SEO expert and/or worst, they never taste the usage of their own domains (whatever they are).

    Most of Traders are like a Restaurant Chief that never tasted its own food - but think they have the "trust" to say if it's good or not just because they made a lot of cooking.

    Business is not working like that my friends. Trust me - You have to taste it !

    I mean - it's good to be just a Trader - nothing against that - it's valuable - but when you want to define the value of something, I think you will have better arguments for the others if you tried it before.

    Futhermore, I think the biggest mistake you can make is taking a business decision on a focus group of 1.

    I just have and closed a conversation with one domainer on this topic recently : When you want to argue, you need data at scale.

    As for the .Best, here is the SEO data at scale that we measured during 2 years on our own :

    When it's related to the "Best" searches in Google, (for the same number of impressions) .Best websites
    had a better CTR (Clic Through rate) than other any TLDs even the .com

    Means that, if more people are clicking on your .Best website, then engagement rate is higher and your
    Google Quality Score improves.

    Means also that your cost per click is lower (if you pay for them), and your website impression share increases too.

    I could develop this by type of industry, keywords, ... but globally it means that on the bottom line: click-through-rate matters for organic rankings.

    If you bear the expected CTR, you’re in a good place. If you’re not, then expect rankings to fall.

    Essentially, if something is ranking low on the first page, but it’s receiving a pretty high click-through-rate, that’s one indicator for Google that the content is what a searcher is looking for – or at least that it aligns with the query.

    Getting back to the inital discussion for husband.Best it means that for the same content and/or the same number of impression :

    husband.best website should have a better CTR than besthusband.com for instance.

    and so "by ricochet" a Best valuation !

    Hope this helps. Feel free to ask about anything that can help you.

    All the .Best,

    CF
     
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  21. EbookLover

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    I am sure there will be some merit to age of a domain, else they wouldn't be offered as a search criteria in domaining websites. What is the exact usage and merit, I am yet to read and understand, however for me the following are simple rules that I follow : Look at how a domain sounds, relevance keywords, and the imagination that one can have for the domain , especially if you are developing a website around it.

    Thanks.
     
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    Cyril.Best Upgraded Member .Best Staff Gold Account

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    As an equivalent the premium domain : womens.best was sold $799.20 (wholesale price) on 2018-10-02

    - womens.best Registration $799.20 2018-10-02 OK

    Plus, it's a premium domain that has also a high renewal price at $799.20 (wholesale price)

    - womens.best Renewal $799.20 2019-10-02 OK

    It was sold to : https://www.womensbest.com
     
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  25. biggie

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    Hi

    some people post a lot of blah-blah in this thread

    but you.best listen to those who have "proven track record" of domain sales,
    rather than those who just "talk" about domain sales.

    as for husband.best, it's worth $1.99


    imo..
     

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