strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[tonecas]

Hi,

i feel that this thread and many others tends to be focused on the US market where the seller and specially the buyer are located in the US.

in my case i don't live in the US and so many legal issues that many of you guys/girls have to consider don't affect me (like the fax act issue).

however, being or not legaly bounded i like to be honest and keep my reputation clean.

the question i would like to pose follows others that have been posted here regarding how should one present to the prospective buyer.

i'm building a site where i plan to showcase my domains and myself. i was thinking of using a company name for it.

i've seen some domainers using company names that don't exist and even change names over time. they use them to hide their identities on whois (without paying fees for whois protection) and to present themselves on the web with a more respectable look that is given by a company name.

so, my question is: until what end this can be acceptable?

for those who live in the US where the law has a heavy fist i imagine that using a non-existent company and use it for selling domains could be a problem. but in any case, if you don't have to sign any agreement or give a receipt/document for the sale where your company name has to appear can this be a good idea?

regards,
tonecas

 

[twomoon]

i always fax a Contract, including all details (price, payment method, transfer, etc.) to be signed/stamped by the company, before doing anything.

Thanks for info


They contacted me again, asking about my user's name which I sent them 4-5 times. strange...
So I told them about 7 days rule and will wait now for 5 days.
We'll see how it all will ends

 

[accuname]

for those who live in the US where the law has a heavy fist i imagine that using a non-existent company and use it for selling domains could be a problem. but in any case, if you don't have to sign any agreement or give a receipt/document for the sale where your company name has to appear can this be a good idea?

regards,
tonecas

Well if you present yourself as incorporated or LLC'd when you aren't that would be a problem. In the US you can run a business as a sole proprietor (using your own name or a trade name you make up). The law makes no distinction between the sole proprietor and the business. The business "exists" as soon as you conduct your first transaction/sale.

 

[twomoon]

I have one question about fast sales to endusers.
Sometimes you are selling domains to endusers, that were picked for example at NJ or Tdnam, very fast. It's ok if enduser has an account or he is ready to create an account at the current domain registrar, but if he want to transfer domains to his registrar? What about 60 days lock?
What are you doing in such situations?

Thanks, Nick

 

[krx]

I don't think there is a way around the hold. I have not crossed this particular bridge but I would think you'd want to let them know at an early point where the domain is (registrar) and that it can't be transferred for xx days.

 

[twomoon]

I don't think there is a way around the hold. I have not crossed this particular bridge but I would think you'd want to let them know at an early point where the domain is (registrar) and that it can't be transferred for xx days.

Thanks for your input.
I think you right. But how to explain this xx days hold? Tell them about domain auctions?
I've never had such problems, domains were always pushed to the current registrars, but I wanted to be prepared

 

[lincolndsp]

you can tell about the 60-day no-transfer out policy of the registrar since the recent whois update you've made.
my end-user understood and agreed to create an account with gd.

 

[skulldude]

Thanks for your input.
I think you right. But how to explain this xx days hold? Tell them about domain auctions?
I've never had such problems, domains were always pushed to the current registrars, but I wanted to be prepared

This is probably not the most eloquent and best way of explaining it but this is from one of my actual transcripts:

"Hi THEIR NAME,

If you can open up a godaddy account that would be easiest. After 2 months you can transfer the domain from your godaddy account to Network Solutions. Plus it is good to have a godaddy account anyway if you ever plan on purchasing any names in the future as the majority of domains are housed at godaddy.

I can push the domain to your godaddy account first and then you can just pay me after you have received the domain.

Let me know if this will work"

 

[twomoon]

Thanks lincolndsp and skulldude for your suggestions!
BTW skulldude very nice text

Rep+ for all of you

 

[FanCube]

Deleted by me!

 

[bgmv]

I have one question about fast sales to endusers.
Sometimes you are selling domains to endusers, that were picked for example at NJ or Tdnam, very fast. It's ok if enduser has an account or he is ready to create an account at the current domain registrar, but if he want to transfer domains to his registrar? What about 60 days lock?
What are you doing in such situations?

Thanks, Nick

This is the template I use:

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Currently this domain is registered with GoDaddy and cannot be transferred to another registrar for a period of 60 days because I just acquired this domain through a backorder. Most registrars have a certain period of time that you have to wait until you can transfer the domain out of their registrar. I know GoDaddy has a 60 day latency period where you have to wait to transfer, once the time has elapsed you are free to transfer the domain, this is standard with any registrar once the ownership of a domain changes. Having the domain at GoDaddy is no different than at Network Solutions, but once the time elapses you will be able to transfer it out to the registrar of your choosing. I do apologize for this inconvenience but a temporary work around would be to create a GoDaddy account, if you do not already have one, and then transfer the domain to Network Solutions after 60 days.

If you do not have a GoDaddy account there is no cost to open one. Once you provide me with your account id # and email address I can transfer the domain to you. The transfer is instant, once I initiate the transfer GoDaddy will send you a series of emails containing instructions on how to accept transfer of the domain.

Once you confirm receipt of the domain I will request proof of payment, either a fax of a cashier's check or bank transfer.
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Cheers,

Ben

 

[twomoon]

This is the template I use:

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Currently this domain is registered with GoDaddy and cannot be transferred to another registrar for a period of 60 days because I just acquired this domain through a backorder. Most registrars have a certain period of time that you have to wait until you can transfer the domain out of their registrar. I know GoDaddy has a 60 day latency period where you have to wait to transfer, once the time has elapsed you are free to transfer the domain, this is standard with any registrar once the ownership of a domain changes. Having the domain at GoDaddy is no different than at Network Solutions, but once the time elapses you will be able to transfer it out to the registrar of your choosing. I do apologize for this inconvenience but a temporary work around would be to create a GoDaddy account, if you do not already have one, and then transfer the domain to Network Solutions after 60 days.

If you do not have a GoDaddy account there is no cost to open one. Once you provide me with your account id # and email address I can transfer the domain to you. The transfer is instant, once I initiate the transfer GoDaddy will send you a series of emails containing instructions on how to accept transfer of the domain.

Once you confirm receipt of the domain I will request proof of payment, either a fax of a cashier's check or bank transfer.
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Cheers,

Ben

Hi Ben,
Thank you!

 

[twomoon]

Maybe it would be interesting for you.

Was sending mails to endusers, and got an autoreply – the guy was out of office. But in the Subject of that mail was:

Out of Office AutoReply: [SPAM] – Mydomainname.com domain name - Found word(s) domain name in the subject

The Subject of my e-mail was: Mydomainname.com domain name
So as I understood, it means that antispam filters are catching words “domain” or “domain name”.

 

[JoshuaPz]

Maybe it would be interesting for you.

Was sending mails to endusers, and got an autoreply – the guy was out of office. But in the Subject of that mail was:

Out of Office AutoReply: [SPAM] – Mydomainname.com domain name - Found word(s) domain name in the subject

The Subject of my e-mail was: Mydomainname.com domain name
So as I understood, it means that antispam filters are catching words “domain” or “domain name”.

It much more likely had to do with the contents of the message than with the subject line. Domain pitches occupy maybe a tiny sliver of 1% of the turf in the spam message world.

 

[garptrader]

I read an interesting post from a domainer/blogger/develper recently noting that domainers often complain how end users don't get it but forget that end users have a business to run. They know women's fashion, fishing gear, music, sportswear, etc - their business - not domains. In response to a recent email, I received one response (Colombian business) where the end user seems interested but unsure how to proceed. So I have tried to explain the process of acquisition via SEDO, the steps to take, etc. I can sense a bit of frustration/confusion on the potential buyer's part so hopefully my extra attention will facilitate a sale. Fortunately SEDO offers a Spanish-language domain acquisition process.

 

[twomoon]

It much more likely had to do with the contents of the message than with the subject line. Domain pitches occupy maybe a tiny sliver of 1% of the turf in the spam message world.

Thanks Josh, I don't know, but now I wouldn't put this words in the subject line

BTW yesterday I've received back my domain, which was pushed to enduser's account before payment.
So the problem is solved.
One more time thanks to Samit for informing me about 7 days rule at Enom

 

[Soofi]

BTW yesterday I've received back my domain, which was pushed to enduser's account before payment.
So the problem is solved.

So now you will make the company name public? :lol:

 

[twomoon]

So now you will make the company name public? :lol:

Sure no

 

[Soofi]

Sure no

That's a much better approach IMO :D

 

[Domainpie]

Gee, if only it were that easy, then you would be right.

Just because you ask someone if they want to buy something it does not mean they will actually buy it.

Besides listing it on an Auctions site like ebay has way more advantages than just saying to someone, "hey, wanna buy my domain? It's really good for you."

Good idea!