How Stupid can one think we are as Domainers?

[DN BROKER]

How Stupid can one think we are as Domainers?

I'm getting sick and tired of individuals on domain forums posting revenue and stats for domains that have no chance of generating REVENUE! and if they did, it would only happen if CNN posted a mistake which directs traffic to you're domain.

I've noticed a lot has changed on domain forums, more IDIOTS seems to think they can post domains for Sale and claim they are being truthful about there stats and revenue.

How could a domain like dskjhaskjhdkjsahdkjhdaskjhdsakj.com, .mobi .ca, etc have a revenue of $93 and 300 hits!!!!

There needs to be more enforcement!!!! Just by attempting and posting a fraudulent sales thread.. should get you banned and exposed to the domain industry.

I'm sick and tired of this BS - and I'm one not against young domainers... but it seems a lot of you 12 years olds, think you can fool other 15 years old with you're silly attempts of fake clicks and traffic.

 

[NPQueen]

Have you reported the threads or members that have been producing the false information?

 

[domainman101]

you need to specify what domains you are talking about, it is not always about having a generic, sometimes there are domains that were once developed, that have backlinks, and still get traffic looking for that site, now that revenue does not last, but it could be there for a few months. Don't be so quick to judge, most domainers I have come across are more honest than everyday business people.

 

[DN BROKER]

Don't be so quick to judge, most domainers I have come across are more honest than everyday business people.

DONT GIVE ME THAT BS, im not a rookie... there is a lot of fishy activity going on... im not going to point fingers.. ive had this discussion with veteran domainers , and we all agreed, to many IDIOTS assume the rest of the world is clueless when it comes to stats and revenue....

1 month membership and you already know the game...
:bingo:

people are selling undeveloped domains with no overture and claim it has revenue and stats... sure it has revenue.. its called CLICK FRAUD and FAKE TRAFFIC

 

[italiandragon]

DONT GIVE ME THAT BS, im not a rookie... there is a lot of fishy activity going on... im not going to point fingers.. ive had this discussion with veteran domainers , and we all agreed, to many IDIOTS assume the rest of the world is clueless when it comes to stats and revenue....

1 month membership and you already know the game...
:bingo:

people are selling undeveloped domains with no overture and claim it has revenue and stats... sure it has revenue.. its called CLICK FRAUD and FAKE TRAFFIC

I agree totally, there is a lot of BS but the BS comes from any side.......should we talk about what NetSol does?

 

[NPQueen]

DONT GIVE ME THAT BS, im not a rookie... there is a lot of fishy activity going on... im not going to point fingers.. ive had this discussion with veteran domainers , and we all agreed, to many IDIOTS assume the rest of the world is clueless when it comes to stats and revenue....

1 month membership and you already know the game...
:bingo:

people are selling undeveloped domains with no overture and claim it has revenue and stats... sure it has revenue.. its called CLICK FRAUD and FAKE TRAFFIC

Have you been reporting the member and the threads to staff?

I know it is very frustrating, it makes it difficult to conduct business at times when you are unsure of the truthfulness of the information you are given.

 

[VV]

I don't know what they do at JohhnyComeLately's domain forum, but NamePros has always been good about weeding out the crooks, and kicking them out the door.

If you got proof of wrong-doing, report it.

But yeah, I hear you... I'm sick of bad guys too.

 

[DN BROKER]

We need to protect our industry from individuals who jump into the game for short term scam, cheat, etc...

Too many times I read a honest domainer loosing on his/her investment 4-8 month later.. when the traffic stops!

You should never buy a domain based on traffic and revenue when it's undeveloped, unless its a rare domain with type-in traffic!!!!!!!

I have tried in the past to get members of domain forums banned and have been ignored...

Domainers need to SERVE and DEFEND Domainers!

How many times have you seen a fake domainer claim that he or she only has 2-4 months of stats for a domain they owned for a year... QUOTE " I just parked it, and it has been making money everyday!!!!! "

I OWN domains that are premium, worth 10K+ and they don't generate much revenue.

Suddenly we have this person claiming for the past 2-4 months a domain not even worth reg fee is generating $1 a day!!!!!!!!

I feel sorry for those of you who fall for it!

and...... when I ask... how come you don't have stats for the last 10 months... they always use the same excuse... NO RESPONSE

Im not using namepros as an example for FAKE DOMAINERS... this is a thread about our current industry...

 

[Alan Glennon]

When you see "fishy" activity, I suggest that you do report it. Generally, the preferable path would be to report your suspicions to a moderator.

there is a lot of fishy activity going on... im not going to point fingers..

 

[VV]

No doubt, there's a lot of B.S. out there, but don't forget sometimes domains that seem unlikely (example: y2c.org) do get traffic and revenue because they were developed before. There is no such thing as a "y2c". It's not a keyword. Nobody searches for it. At face value it's worth diddly-squat. But if some kid had a blog there for 2 years, and it was popular... there might be some real traffic and earnings going on.

Research... it's all about researching the url before you buy.

 

[DN BROKER]

When you see "fishy" activity, I suggest that you do report it. Generally, the preferable path would be to report your suspicions to a moderator.

This thread is not about reporting, its about a MAJOR glitch in our system that needs to be FIXED.

No doubt, there's a lot of B.S. out there, but don't forget sometimes domains that seem unlikely (example: y2c.org) do get traffic and revenue because they were developed before. There is no such thing as a "y2c". It's not a keyword. Nobody searches for it. At face value it's worth diddly-squat. But if some kid had a blog there for 2 years, and it was popular... there might be some real traffic and earnings going on.

I agree, but from what I have seen in the last 6+ months... reg domains are being sold!!!!

below is a great example of honest NP Member being cheated..

http://www.namepros.com/parking-and...776-how-avoid-mistakes-scams-when-buying.html

 

[Alan Glennon]

So, as I read your comments, you believe the problem is that sellers are not being truthful in their descriptions of domains at online forums? If that's not it, please concisely state the problem so I can understand what you mean. If that is it, please provide an actionable item that you believe would solve the problem.

This thread is not about reporting, its about a MAJOR glitch in our system that needs to be FIXED.

 

[Morph]

Forum wise, report it.

But, in the bigger picture, how can we throw out the trash so to speak?

 

[unclewalter]

Well i'm sure there are scammers out there, but I don't think every domain that gets sold because of traffic has a decrease in traffic because it is fake traffic and click fraud. There are probably some sellers that know traffic doesn't last forever and they sell it when they can get the most money for it. Thats not scamming. Selling stocks before a big drop isn't scamming its being smart. So how is selling a traffic domain before a drop any different? What needs to happen is the buyers need to also realize traffic doesn't last forever and not pay 2 years revenue expecting the revenue to stay for 2 year.

 

[Krossat]

What you say is very true and i'v eseen it too.
I for one never go for domains that dont appeal to be; besides someone claiming they have 1000 visitors a day.
Its all about common sense and a little bit of verifying.
This can only end when someone who got scammed reporting it.

 

[CrazyTech]

Things can be fudged, it's true in any industry, and doubly so in a virtual one. I play around in this industry and work in another related industry where it is equally as true.

It's an associated risk with buying traffic domains and it's something one has to look at before they purchase. As others have said, if you see something, report it an the NP staff here will handle it. That's the best that can be done in this case. It'd be nearly impossible to proactively monitor this type of thing unless you have some suggestions and knowledge about something I am not aware of.

 

[mwzd]

Tbh, i've never bought a domain purely for the traffic. If the name doesn't appeal I don't really care how much traffic it gets. And on the other hand, why would I sell a domain that made more than reg fee each year?

And if I was to for a decent multiple, i would probably require a traffic test.

Not all traffic sellers are scammers though, so report the ones you think are bad is probably the best way to throw out the trash.

NP mods are great, but not gods, they can't vet each listing.

Would take forever and probably end up costing a bit to list, in which case we'd only have scammers

I report stuff pretty often, my way of helping mods, what they do or dont is upto them, they are in a better position to have an overview.

 

[Kenny]

Here at NP, if you are selling based on traffic, you must post a ss of the stats.

Now we know they can be PS'd and manipulated to some extent, but there are enough pros here that kind of crap is usually spotted very quick and either reported or flamed out in the thread.

But thats here.... at NP... where we (Team NP and our members), constantly are on the lookout for scammers.

You are right though, there are many (and not just kids) LowlifeBottomFeedingScumbags.ext trying to ripoff our $$$, but as in any industry, due dilligence is required to protect ourselves.

Peace,
Cy

 

[deleted984054565403]

It annoys me to no end -- I'm with you there.

We do the best we can to weed out as much as possible. Much of this comes from the support of our members reporting potential scams, which we investigate and take action upon accordingly. I know everybody else is saying that, but that's actually the case. You're being a good member by spotting something you think is fishy to protect yourself and other buyers. As Staff, we can't catch everything ourselves (but we try!).

It's a pain, sure, but we as buyers need to be very selective about the sites and domains we purchase. I agree with you in that the name you're buying for traffic should have value in itself. I personally would only buy a developed site if it's a proven money-maker. A lot of this is simply being a smart buyer.

Even outside of domaining, anyone can be fooled into purchasing a product that is a downright scam -- but that's what the buyer gets for acting impulsively and ordering that magic ladder on the 3 AM infomercial.

 

[kemjika11]

I think what you are talking about is possible, but i have seen alot of "traffic" names with stats posted, and most of them looked ok. i don't know where you're finding these "dafsdfkljsdfl;sd.com" and .cas that have these traffic stats, but i've been on NP for almost 3 yrs, and for the MOST part, most of the stats look reasonable.