domain HouseProperty.com

[noy.com]

Hi,

Would appreciate opinions on HouseProperty.com name. Potential sale value to end-user, to domainer? Possible development uses?

Thanks in advance.

 

[noy.com]

Anybody? )

 

[wwwweb]

you overpaid for it $1100 for a name that makes no sense, House Property? Home Property is a much better term, you got caught up in the tdnam auction, you might get your money back, check out property.com, these sort of domains are very hard to develop. I hope you did not go on the basis of what estibot said :-s

 

[HiFiNames.com]

Good for $100 range IMO.

 

[noy.com]

wwwweb, greatwebss, thanks for feedback )

I disagree about "makes no sense" though ) Search at google for exact matches:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,780,000 for "house property".

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,420,000 for "home property".

So, actually House Property is better term.

You can find existing sites having the words in URL, like residential lettings and property sales, estate agents, deal kent-Bank House - Residential Lettings & Property Sales or Chelsea House Property or Max Sempowski - Realtor - Historic old house property specialist or customhouseproperty.com. Custom House Property. Property for sale and rent in Scotland, Kinross, Kinnesswood, Milnathort, Crook of Devon, Bo'ness, Scotlandwell, Cowdenbeath, Glenlomond etc. I guess they'd be happy to make the names shorter )

it seems like in relation to tax, house property is a phrase often used, also more often used in UK, India etc vs USA.

So I am positive, I won't lose on this one, but still thanks )

 

[John Baron]

u will not lose , to end user its worth what u paid or even more

 

[Jaco]

1600 global w/ clicks @ 1.79.
Virtually all the searches coming from India

A large number of the "google results" are where the two words appear next to each other as a matter of phraseological coincidence:

Nigeria: Jokolo Losses House, Property to Fire

Or used in such a way that the words "house property" aren't grammatically conjunctive.

For example:

The Famous 'Kelo House' Property Is Now A Vacant Lot

North Florida Land Trust to preserve 'Oar House' property

'Hide House' property on the market

In each of these places, the phrase is "Hide House", "Kelo House" or "Oar House" being addressed as a larger "property". The author isn't referring to them as "house properties" . The author could've just as easily said "The property best known as Kelo House is now a vacant lot..."

Much like the first example, the words "house" and "property" as they appear on google are generally coincidental to each other, rather than representing a common phrase.

 

[noy.com]

Liror, Dongsman, thanks for looking at it )

Dongsman, you have probably different Google from mine )

I scrolled few pages in my version and it seems like house property is mostly used as a phrase together and not coincidentally. But let's say for arguments sake, it is 50%/50%. So, that leaves houseproperty.com with 1.4 million results, lots of companies and sites using it in the name/url.

Now, 1 million+ is huge in itself and I'd take anything .com with 100K results probably. Especially if this is business related term with very high sale tags and many related business areas, like consulting, taxes, lawyers, movers etc. specialising in that.

Btw, my advantage over typical domainer is that I am also a web developer. So anything that won't get sold by the time my hands are free for it will get developed and monetised )

And hope you guys will excuse me for arguing with appraisals that you kindly provided. I just thought the discussion turned out to be interesting one )

 

[Jaco]

Are you a native speaker of the English language?

(PS- You'll do much, much better by choosing names based on search volume rather than the number of times a phrase appears in google... Beginners often confuse "search volume" with SERP volume... SEARCH volume is a far more relevant metric. About 1600 people "search" for the exact phrase "House Property" every month, most of them from India.

It can appear in google SERPs a billion times... If people aren't actively searching for that term in meaningful numbers, it offers very little benefit as a keyword name platform- unless, of course, you're targeting India)

 

[noy.com]

Dongsman, I am not a native speaker )

However, I had toefl score of 297 out of 300 possible (283 is 99 percentile) and gmat score of 740 (98 percentile).

I know that search volume is more important, but I would assume quite strong correlation with the results versus search. Reasons:

- if there is a demand (search), there is usually an offer (results)
- both searchers and publishers (posters) are humans and share the same idea of what is important, what they talk (write) about, what their needs are.

So, when I referred to search results, it was not because of confusion with search results. It is just more readily available and, again, even with some correlation, it still would be attractive.

Btw, another test I do is if the domain name is part of other domains.

Based on that test, e.g., I did quite high bid on review.org, since there were hundreds of reputable publications with pageranks of 5,6,7 with domains ending in review.org, like:

Harvard Law Review - Harvard Law Review Home Page
Health News Review - Objective Ratings of Health and Medical Journalism
Columbia Law Review - Sidebar
National Advertising Division
etc.

 

[zefler]

house and property are the same thing are they not? I dont think its worth anything.

 

[noy.com]

house and property are the same thing are they not? I dont think its worth anything.

Of course ) that's why people made sure they repeat themselves 2.8 million times )

On serious note, no, house and property is not the same thing. House is a type of property. Similarly, "Domain name" is not the same as "name".

And, regarding the auction itself, there were 5 bidders willing to pay $750 for the name, 4 bidders willing to pay $815 and 2 bidders, including me, willing to pay $1100 (I just got to point earlier). So I assume $815 to be bottom for the name and the name has quite good liquidity.

 

[GiftedDomains]

clearly overpaid (as reseller) IMO.

and i fully agree with dongsman and his arguments

---

this is a low xxx name (reseller price), max 300

---

And, regarding the auction itself, there were 5 bidders willing to pay $750 for the name, 4 bidders willing to pay $815 and 2 bidders, including me, willing to pay $1100 (I just got to point earlier). So I assume $815 to be bottom for the name and the name has quite good liquidity

if 10 people would jump off a bridge, would you jump with them?

people seam to get excited in some auctions and think that a name must be worth something if others are bidding for it.

also you sometimes see names which you tried to sell on NP (or somewhere else) for 10 Dollars with no success , and dropped them, later in an auction where some people are fighting for it and auction ends with a xxx price. crazy

 

[noy.com]

HQDomains,

This is not about "jumping". Clearly, market value of domain is what market is willing to pay for it.

12 people participated in auction, 7 willing to pay 500+, at least one paying the same as me, few paying high xxx, so even if I exclude myself, still the proven (not speculated) market reseller value (as it is not mostly end users in auctions) would be around $1000 )

But it only takes one guy seeing the value to make a sale, even if there are hundreds not seeing it )) So I'll wait for that one or just develop it with House Property related content (property classifieds, taxation info, valuations, market trends, catalog etc.). I guess, I can easily make few hundred bucks out of it a month.

 

[noy.com]

Radiator, thanks )

According to my research, home property is more popular idiomatically with Americans, while commonwealth countries, including UK, prefer house property, which actually make more sense. E.g., search results UK vs India is 1:4, while by number of inet users the ratio would be similar as well, US being 1:4 to UK.

Also, looks like, in the US as well, in laws and regulations the expression "house property" is used (I guess home property is more emotional).

Another point, having both of the important terms in the domain name, given it is developed and has enough PR, will be advantage when EITHER of the words (house or property) are part of the search.

 

[domainica]

I've been involved in real estate now for almost 11 years and have never heard of "house property". HORSE property yes, but not "HOUSE" property. Sorry, but I'd say zero.

 

[bmugford]

Real Estate is a very competitive field, but honestly "House Property" is an odd term.

I don't think this domain is worth $1000+ reseller, but apparently the OP does.

Brad

 

[globegenius]

I agree with Brad. The keywords are great but they would seldom be searched for in the way they are listed. Is this a reg by some one with poor english speaking abilities? I've seen it on other forums also. People "fishing" with bad results.

 

[wwwweb]

To simplify this "House" & "Property" are two great words alone, put them together and they make no sense, they essentially mean the same thing, yet contradict each other, it is just bad grammar. I saw this domain blowup at TDNAM, which is full of newbie sleuths, who pay $xxxx for domains because GODADDY says they have xxxx amount of traffic coming each month, could be some of the people bidding on this domain. You can't follow other people you have to know yourself what the domain is worth, and how it can work in the end user market. Like auctions many people get caught up in a bidding war as this domain did, this domain was reg'd in 2001, ALL of the good property domains were taken by 1999, with exception to drops along the way. Many of the people posting here, have had many hard years experience in this business, their advice is some of the best in the business.

 

[noy.com]

Ok, I guess everybody is expert in real estate ))

To be objective, I go to Google, search for types of property. First result is a page defining it as follows:

"Property is divided into two categories: real and personal. The classification is significant because the assessment procedures and the tax rate often vary.

Although there are many practical and legal distinctions, real property, in general, is land and anything permanently attached to land (e.g., improvements). Houses, gas stations, motels, shopping centers, farms, apartment buildings, restaurants, offices, and so forth are common examples."

Hence, the House Property as type of Real Property, which, in its own turn, is a type of Property.

Then, let's test if the term that "real estate experts" here say does not exist, is used by legislators for whom they have voted, I guess:

House property tax legislation adjusts homeowner credits and reforms local government funding « Minnesota Budget Bites

"The House Property Tax Division passed their “division report” on April 1, which are their recommendations for the property taxes and aids to local governments sections of the House omnibus tax bill."

I appreciate the comments, but guys please read previous posts. Reputable news sites, government sites of UK, US, India, NZ, Canada etc. use the term House Property. The term is used by news websites, in company names, posts etc. There are 2.8 million search results for the phrase, most of them exact match. And then, you can still see somebody just writing "I agree, I have been in real estate, the term does not exist".

Just to make clear, I am not looking for buyer for the name as of yet. I will be able to monetise it. Just wanted to have it for arguments sake and I am generally happy with the discussion, but some focus on my English rather than the subject. Again, my English is better than 99% of native speakers, I have got an MBA from top US business school, if somebody is interested more in my credentials, I have my own advertising business, news website business, popular portal with many services, banner network etc.

And, since nobody is reading previous posts, I'll repeat:

- The common sense is that the market value is what the market is willing to pay for something )
- 2 buyers were willing to pay for it $1100
- 4 buyers were $815 and higher.

Hence, it is proven that the market value is AT LEAST $1100, so the discussion can be if there is any upside or not, but not that it is worth low xxx or of that nature.

Thanks.