Hey guys.. don't u think this is fair???

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Hi everyone...

I registered a domain a year back. Its IndianScoop.com and i started a forum which basically was a discussion board about India and its culture and cuisine etc. I had this forum up and running for about 6 months.. it received a decent traffic. I wanted some moderators on my board , so i did get some people who volunteered to start moderating on my board. One of them was this guy called Suresh. It did took a good deal of time for members to understand his posts, tho he was an active poster there.
I met with an accident and was hospitalized for about a month and half and during this time, i had to temporarily shut my site down as i was not in a position to look after it. I was desperately waiting to start with my site when i was discharged from the hospital and this is what i see, my mod (Suresh) has registered a domain which is a .net version of indianscoop.com and the forum is exactly a xerox copy similar to mine. He has copied my idea.... and he had no courtesy to ask me or tell me about it.
I need your opinions guys, what do u think about this?

..and a typo in my thread topic... it is supposed to read: Hey guys, do u think this is fair??? lol ( My brain is in a standby mode today :D)
 
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what a jurk to have to nerve to pretend to be hospitalized then take your site idea and everything
 
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I would fire him from your own forum immediately. I am not sure if you can take legal action without having trademarked your own forum, but I'd anyway not want to see this guy again on my own forum. I'd ban him if I were you, after all he abused your confidence.
 
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Going once...going twice...not sold!

indianscoop.net for sale link:

http://www.domainreturn.com/index.php?a=domain&pid=104&

It doesn't look like he thought the domain was worth a lot of money. Accordingly, he might not fight that hard to keep it.

You should also google "indianscoop.net" and analyze his posts to see if this information can help you.

Since you have both registered the domains in India then you should look to your laws, customs and culture for ideas about how to settle this issue. If all else fails, you might find your remedy here:

http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm

My layman's advice is to first contact him and state your case. He might just cease and desist. You can google "cease and desist" to see what such letters look like. I cannot advise you what to edit from these google sample letters, so be cautious about citing any law.

Good luck.
 
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Thanks for your opinion guys, it really helps! I will keep you guys updated about what happens...
I did contact this guy a while ago via yahoo:
Ok for those of you interested here are some of our chat transcript. Here you will see how difficult it is to communicate with this guy , you might lose your cool even if u are trying to be, making him understand your point .
Seems he is a kiddo.... who did not make it to the high school yet.

bs_hosting: fine
bs_hosting: u didnt told about you
lucky_persona11: acutally i was hospitalized for more than a month and therefore i had to shut my site down temporarily and when i come back u have ur own version of Indianscoop.net , when did this start...
bs_hosting: i just started one month back
bs_hosting: so you are the owner of indianscoop.com
lucky_persona11: yes ofcourse..
lucky_persona11: I dont see any harm in starting a forum ... but why did u choose indianscoop.net and why did u copy my idea?
lucky_persona11: did u not get anyother domain or concept?
bs_hosting: what happen to domain name
bs_hosting: i didnt got domain name
lucky_persona11: whose domain is indianscoop.net?
bs_hosting: .com
bs_hosting: indianscoop.com
lucky_persona11: indianscoop.com is owned by me, who owns indianscoop.net?
bs_hosting: me
lucky_persona11: correct, u could have got some good domain like a .com dont u think so?
bs_hosting: i wasnt thought
bs_hosting: but i can change name
bs_hosting: anyway its fine
lucky_persona11: and it would have had been great if you could ask my permission first before you could start my concept...remember indianscoop.com forum was started by me
lucky_persona11: anyways, u did seem to be a nice guy as far as i knew,, from the forum
lucky_persona11: thats why i made u my moderator
bs_hosting: my riends had asked about indianscoop.com
bs_hosting: and it was closed
bs_hosting: i waited for this for few months
lucky_persona11: yep, i have decided to start it again...
lucky_persona11: now listen,i have a good idea or a plan to share
bs_hosting: ok
bs_hosting: yes
lucky_persona11: anyways... here i go
lucky_persona11: You own .net and i own .com we both can be owner of one site...
lucky_persona11: what do u say?
bs_hosting: but it is friends permission
lucky_persona11: meaning?
bs_hosting: anywya say
bs_hosting: let then i will ask them
lucky_persona11: who is this friend?
lucky_persona11: and why do u need their permission if u own this domain urself?
bs_hosting: its been forum
bs_hosting: and i promissed not to sell
bs_hosting: unless ask with members
bs_hosting: or not to give
bs_hosting: someone
bs_hosting: but what you have tell me
lucky_persona11: i am actually not getting u .. its plain simple like this.... both domains what u and i own are the same : you own Indianscoop.net and i own IndianScoop.com and we can merge it into one forum and share the revenues..
lucky_persona11: and ofcourse u can get a good amount of traffic with my domain since it is a .com tld
lucky_persona11: i hope u know what i am trying to say..
bs_hosting: i understod
bs_hosting: for .com or net
bs_hosting: i dont mind
lucky_persona11: i am not getting u
lucky_persona11: what do umean by that
bs_hosting: i am just talking that nothing will difference between com or net
bs_hosting: r u scissor22
lucky_persona11:i can divert my domain to ur site... so that my indianscoop and urs indianscoop becomes one
bs_hosting: everywhere
bs_hosting: to contact to you
lucky_persona11: what??
bs_hosting: but didnt got touch
bs_hosting: ok
bs_hosting: so how you make money form forum
bs_hosting: u said combining
lucky_persona11: yes
lucky_persona11: combining...
lucky_persona11: are u new to the internet?
bs_hosting: but how?
bs_hosting: i was asking hoe u make on that
lucky_persona11: its simple, i will tell u
lucky_persona11: but first tell me, who designed the forum for u?
lucky_persona11: and who is this virafroda?
bs_hosting: she is admin
bs_hosting: lives in UAE
lucky_persona11: ok, how did u make her an admin
bs_hosting: and moderator too for AYS
lucky_persona11: ok... thats fine...but what made u make her an admin for ur site..
bs_hosting: i doesnt like to raom as admin
bs_hosting: and she is big than me
bs_hosting: so i made her to stand
lucky_persona11: so u mean u are not an admin. u dont have controls at all?
bs_hosting: i can have but tell
bs_hosting: what u mean
lucky_persona11: i think i am not able to communicate properly to u through the chat medium
lucky_persona11: tell me , what language do u speak better?
lucky_persona11: do u speak in hindi
bs_hosting: yes
bs_hosting: any
lucky_persona11: are u from hyderabad?
bs_hosting: i said i am owner
bs_hosting: yes
bs_hosting: i had full controls
bs_hosting: etc
bs_hosting: but you need to tell me how you gonna make money
lucky_persona11: ok,for that i need to know the site design. who did the site design for u ?
bs_hosting: i am
lucky_persona11: i am means... u mean u designed the logo and the banners and the forum colours and stuff
bs_hosting: yes
lucky_persona11: are u a webdesigner?
bs_hosting: nope
bs_hosting: but do small designs
lucky_persona11: well... so dont u make any money out of sign profits and the banners which are there on ur board
bs_hosting: only adsense
bs_hosting: i ahad removed sign profit
bs_hosting: since it is dead
lucky_persona11: ok , whatever, but u are making some money right
bs_hosting: yes
bs_hosting: but what your plan
lucky_persona11: there is no plan as such buddy, its plain and simple. Your site is indianscoop.net and mine is indianscoop.com both of them are the same domain "IndianScoop". If you go to see Indianscoop.com has greater value, because its a .com domain and therefore people prefer to type .com then .net therefore this domain will recieve more traffic. Now if both these domains indianscoop.net and indianscoop.com are joined /combined , we can get a better traffic .
bs_hosting: i got it
bs_hosting: i will think and tell
bs_hosting: since friends adviced for me
lucky_persona11: i am not intending to start a new board for indianscoop.com.... if i start i might get all the traffic what ur site gets...
bs_hosting: its your wish
bs_hosting: on that part
bs_hosting: but i need permission from friends too
bs_hosting: ok
bs_hosting: bye
lucky_persona11: bye
lucky_persona11: tc
bs_hosting: =;
 
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I would not put the future of my forum in the hands of someone who first steals my idea. That way he gets his share in the revenue and thus gets a reward for copying your idea. It's your decision, but I would not do this.
 
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i dont know about you guys but i would have broken my keyboard if i had that chat on messenger
 
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one more concern: the guy's English is clearly not very good. He often misunderstands you or at least pretends to not understand you.

Even if you make a clear agreement, he could always fool you again and claim that he didn't understood you perfectly because of his bad English.

All I am saying: if you want to really develop the site into something well established and frequently visited, then I would not take the risk of going into a corporation with someone that may be unreliable. Why would you take the risk? If your forum is good and you have the better TLD, why would you be afraid of competition? I'd not take the risk if I were you.
 
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It would be in his best interest to put the forum up under another name. Lots of spillover will come to your .com if he doesn't.
 
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Just bring yours back online. Your ".com" will get some of his traffic and I think they will gravitate toward a forum with an Admin they can understand. You've got the big advantage of being able to communicate. Just ignore him.
 
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Why on earth would you EVER tell someone who screwed you while you were incapacitated in the hospital not to mention someone that is impossible to understand, "let's become partners!"? Why why why?! I'm stuck in a situation where this guy I paid money to develop a website for me developed the most craptastic piece of designery I've ever seen with buggy programming to boot, and what you're doing would be like if I asked him to partner up with me on the next website I want to make! I'd shoot myself in the foot sooner than doing that, and hopefully you'll realize the same with your situation. Bottom line is he stole your site from under you when you were defenseless...there is absolutely no way to justify doing that, and he's the last person in the world you should want to do ANYTHING with.
 
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The other question I had is, did you really need to take a forum down while in the hospital? Why not have had auto backups and tell a Moderator that you DO trust to take care of things? Just make an annoucement and tell everyone your situation so they don't think you died.

Maybe things would have slowed up but you don't have to be their 24x7 for a forum to stay alive.
 
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Hi Guys,

Why you think its unfair?
When somebody registered .COM and make .NET available, of course others can register .NET or any other TLD they like unless .COM is well-know branded.

And same that when somebody started disccussions on a topic, can he stop others talk the same on other Forums? Of course NO. The same like we talk on Domains on NPS also on other Forums such as DNForums.

If the .NET guy copied your design and layout, you can complain to his server company and I am sure they can help you. But looks he has a different layout than yours...

So my idea is that Nothing is unfair in this case. You should just ignore him and make your Forum be more attractive.
 
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I agree making someone like that a moderator was a mistake. Be thankful he registered the .net, as he just gave you the perfect excuse for letting him go.
 
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hai guys

I am the owner of indianscoop.net and i will give datail explaination why did this guy harassing to me and merge the data

I was a member of getpaidforum.com and always i was active their and helps to people.once a while i seen this indianscoop.com under someone signature and i joined it i seen how our indians are doing? and this sunny admin of indianscoop.com was posting more PTR scams in forum that dont pay to members. so by seeing this my heart felt sad that they are lossing valuable time to this ptr scams so i had started posting all information even owner names so by seeing my experience this guy sunny had asked to help his forum and asked if you are interested please i want to be you a moderator as you had a lot of experience

As i was not interested in doing moderator to his forum but asking again so i tdecided him that i would be a moderator for some time only and it would be 3 to 4 months as i dont want to stay here but i will make one of best forums to indian members I had promoted a lot and brought a lot of members and most of friends joined by listegning my words and the forum i made more fine and helping to newbies etc as the forum was growing and it was in good condition and my time was comming to leave his forum
and I believe this guy may be invested in paid response and paid exposure scams and when that sites had closed so he suspended the forum and then he redirected to sedo to sell indianscoop.com

time passed away and the forum didnt come and few of my friends asked what happen to the forum as i said i dont know but what i would believe means he may be losted in paidresponse and exposure

i contacted to him form the whois.info email but i didnt got reply from him at all i did again but no reply.

so i decided my self to open indianscoop.net

here ill give deatails between indianscoop.net and indianscoop.com
indianscoop had only this below forums
welcome center
paying programs
not paying programs
general discussion
indian recipes
advertising etc

but indianscoop.net which had a lot of features for ecommerce forum

we had money exchange and about search engines
and more which doesnt meet to any indian forum and most indians knows to me and my honesty

once upon a time i given incetive to signup people for my forum and i forgot later the link where it is so i made a search here in namepros and i seen it was matching two results one is to my incentive and ther is he selling forum
take a look here

http://www.namepros.com/167518-forum-domains-2.html?highlight=indianscoop.com
and also search at sedo
why dont you post your orginal copy so that people should believe you

he is sended and email where i kept it under my signature in my forum and asked me to contact on yahoo.so i had agreed and added him on messenger and talked from the begining he is saying you dont have enough traffic and merge data so we will earn more money

this guy belongs to mumbai that is what world knows what is mumbai
http://www.india-news.in/forums/4-living-in-india/is-mumbai-teh-rudest-city-in-the-world.0.html

the chat between me and him on yahoo he edited

guys if you need any answers ask to me i will give answers to you

my forum will go to register through the hyderabad soon

Regards
suresh
 
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armstrong said:
I agree making someone like that a moderator was a mistake. Be thankful he registered the .net, as he just gave you the perfect excuse for letting him go.
I didnt accepted for doing moderator when he asked by seeing my valuable posts and experience.From the day i joined his forum he was harassing to help that you had experience and had a lot friends including PTr owners.I had posted nearly 200 worth of good posts and brought more members to his forum
Did he paid anything to me for this job or to post
Here in name pros i would get 6 cents per post but all i did as for free for him since i want to make a good community and given him a limited time to come his forum
even when their was heavy floods in mumbai i had helped to his forum

As i am not a domainer or nor i wish to do domain business to sell that indianscoop.net domain

anyway thanks for your feed back I will buy a com domain and will start forum on that also i donate this indianscoop.net domain to charity but i never merge data with someone
the first logo was http://www.indianscoop.net/15.jpg
most people said that is not good again made another logo

the more traffic comes to this moneybookers thread where most will face a lot of problems for withdrawing cash to india and the use of MB to the world
http://indianscoop.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=26

however i made a mistake by becomming a member to his forum and buying this indianscoop.net instead of choosing another domain.anyway now i will look another domain and transfer data to that domain.

I will contact to RJ and i will be forever away from namepros forum because i dont want to see a complaint on me that i cheated

Regards
suresh
 
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sb225 said:
...he asked by seeing my valuable posts and experience.From the day i joined his forum he was harassing to help that you had experience and had a lot friends including PTr owners.

Suresh, withough knowing all the details I believe Scissor's account for several reasons. Your actions to start a competing forum on the ".net" with the same name speak volumes about your lack of charecter. This is a sneaky, doublecrossing move. Find your own original name to start your forum.

I find it hard to belive that if he was really "harrassing" you to become a moderator, that you would have agreed to do it. Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? More likely he asked you to be a moderator and you said "yes".

Suresh, your story does not add up.
 
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Don't worry about it. Get your .COM forum back up and running and you will mos tlikely still do better than he is. I would also go on his foum and PM all those that were formerly your members that you are back up and running. Sure, that's a little shady, but then so is he so who cares?

I have a feeling that if you just put your forum back up you will do better simply becasue ifwhat you are saying is true about this guy, who in the hell will want to deal with him over you?
 
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Gerrit said:
I would not put the future of my forum in the hands of someone who first steals my idea. That way he gets his share in the revenue and thus gets a reward for copying your idea. It's your decision, but I would not do this.
Well, i think you are right. I thought i was being generous to him, as i assumed that he was a nice guy with no intention like that....anyways thanks for the suggestion.

Gerrit said:
one more concern: the guy's English is clearly not very good. He often misunderstands you or at least pretends to not understand you.

Even if you make a clear agreement, he could always fool you again and claim that he didn't understood you perfectly because of his bad English.

All I am saying: if you want to really develop the site into something well established and frequently visited, then I would not take the risk of going into a corporation with someone that may be unreliable. Why would you take the risk? If your forum is good and you have the better TLD, why would you be afraid of competition? I'd not take the risk if I were you.

Well, i really had great plans to develop this domain and build a great community out of it. Now the only problem is i would not want 2 different forums on .net and .com , u know what i mean.
But ultimately , you guys are right., my bad, i thought of partnering with him... thanks for you input on this Gerrit.


infoicq said:
Hi Guys,

Why you think its unfair?
When somebody registered .COM and make .NET available, of course others can register .NET or any other TLD they like unless .COM is well-know branded.

And same that when somebody started disccussions on a topic, can he stop others talk the same on other Forums? Of course NO. The same like we talk on Domains on NPS also on other Forums such as DNForums.

If the .NET guy copied your design and layout, you can complain to his server company and I am sure they can help you. But looks he has a different layout than yours...

So my idea is that Nothing is unfair in this case. You should just ignore him and make your Forum be more attractive.

Well, he has actually created a new forum just like mine with the same topics... just making small changes here and there.. now that he has already started with a forum similar to mine, i decided on keeping my site on hold.... so i made a blog which is not yet ready. I think it does not make sense having 2 forums on .net and .com running on the same domain name...does it? And yes, you are right there, he can surely register .net since i made it available and therefore he is fair in that sense, but i would not appreciate him copying my idea of creating a community with exactly the same topics being discussed... ofcourse now he has changed some topics after reading this thread... i think this is unfair because he did not even have a basic courtesy to ask me before continuing with it...
I hope that helps !

sb225 said:
hai guys

I am the owner of indianscoop.net and i will give datail explaination why did this guy harassing to me and merge the data
Ok, here is this guy finally....
So Mr. Suresh, you like arguing and proving that you are right, eh?
You said, harrassing.... Its high time you know the difference between harrassing and requesting. Would you accuse you boss of harrassing you when all he does is request you to complete you work???


sb225 said:
I was a member of getpaidforum.com and always i was active their and helps to people.once a while i seen this indianscoop.com under someone signature and i joined it i seen how our indians are doing? and this sunny admin of indianscoop.com was posting more PTR scams in forum that dont pay to members. so by seeing this my heart felt sad that they are lossing valuable time to this ptr scams so i had started posting all information even owner names so by seeing my experience this guy sunny had asked to help his forum and asked if you are interested please i want to be you a moderator as you had a lot of experience
Your point again seems to be totally baseless... its high time you stop your crapiola posts. I am yet to figure out what PTR scams postings i made at getpaidforum.com....... go to that forum and check it out yourself, my username there is james_d22 , once u go to my profile , you can check the threads started by me. And then consider coming back and posting about it, rather than posting BS like this.
And i remember asking for some volunteers at my forum for moderating, for which you agreed, and so did the other two Ratna and Sheetal.I did not force it on you to take up this work, or rather in you words harass you... and nor did my other mods complain. Additionally.i did not discuss about any payment for that moment because the forum had just begun, and until it moved in its right direction, i could not share the profits with you'll unless i make it first...

sb225 said:
As i was not interested in doing moderator to his forum but asking again so i tdecided him that i would be a moderator for some time only and it would be 3 to 4 months as i dont want to stay here but i will make one of best forums to indian members I had promoted a lot and brought a lot of members and most of friends joined by listegning my words and the forum i made more fine and helping to newbies etc as the forum was growing and it was in good condition and my time was comming to leave his forum
and I believe this guy may be invested in paid response and paid exposure scams and when that sites had closed so he suspended the forum and then he redirected to sedo to sell indianscoop.com

i did make post a notice on the forum that it was temporarily stopped.And what do you have to do with me selling my domain, its none of your business. Stop worrying about it, thats my lookout... :S


sb225 said:
once upon a time i given incetive to signup people for my forum and i forgot later the link where it is so i made a search here in namepros and i seen it was matching two results one is to my incentive and ther is he selling forum
take a look here

http://www.namepros.com/167518-foru...indianscoop.com
and also search at sedo
why dont you post your orginal copy so that people should believe you
he is sended and email where i kept it under my signature in my forum and asked me to contact on yahoo.so i had agreed and added him on messenger and talked from the begining he is saying you dont have enough traffic and merge data so we will earn more money

this guy belongs to mumbai that is what world knows what is mumbai
http://www.india-news.in/forums/4-l...he-world.0.html

the chat between me and him on yahoo he edited

If you are so much concerned about my selling my domain, then you should have had brought it from me for a price. I would not mind using my idea for that domain after i sell it off.... but i have not yet sold it , and using the concept at this moment means stealing which is unfair. I hope you get my point.... if not then keep pondering on what i said and understand it.
By the way, i am yet to understand you trying to sell your domain too... what about this one here:
once upon a time i given incetive to signup people for my forum and i forgot later the link where it is so i made a search here in namepros and i seen it was matching two results one is to my incentive and ther is he selling forum
take a look here

http://www.domainreturn.com/index.php?a=domain&pid=104&

You also said the chat is edited, i think you are lying again coz this is exactly what i have in my history...but yes i edited to add this point ,"Seems he is a kiddo.... who did not make it to the high school yet." is that ok now??? Do you realize what i edited.....
Thank you
 
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DeluxeNames.com said:
Suresh, withough knowing all the details I believe Scissor's account for several reasons. Your actions to start a competing forum on the ".net" with the same name speak volumes about your lack of charecter. This is a sneaky, doublecrossing move. Find your own original name to start your forum.

I find it hard to belive that if he was really "harrassing" you to become a moderator, that you would have agreed to do it. Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? More likely he asked you to be a moderator and you said "yes".

Suresh, your story does not add up.
thanks for your reply i will be happy to answer with you as many as you want

so you mean i have to close net domain and start on a com domain ?
if i wish i do but however i have not yet planned but i said i will throw te doamin or keep it with me only forever
the answer comes from his forum private messages and even their is one or two posts in his forum that i would leave from his forum
if he do a backup then you realize what i was saying
why I did accepted means because of members shouldnt waste their time in clicking however i once again say it was limited time to stay in his forum

i was not ineterested in running forum.If I was interested running forum then i do on that time only but this guy just closed and tried to sell but when i started he said he got $500 for his domain
Do you believe this?
i asked then sell it but he told no i am not wishing to sell
I know that domain dont cost more $$$
ofcourse see his another domain

Domain name: TVSTUFFS.COM
Creation date: 29 Jul 2005 14:46:19
Expiration date: 29 Jul 2007 14:46:19

let me know if you have any questions on this issue
 
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