Grrr domain tasting...

[QualityNames.com]

Real bummer. A couple of days ago I checked the availability of a domain . It was still available.

Checked if there were TM issues. No issues. Went to my registrar only to find out it was regged by Wan-Fu China, Ltd.

If traffic is zero. How long does it take before they drop the domain I want to register?

 

[-Adam-]

Yea I stopped using GD not only for searches but also because the results shown always seemed to be wrong regarding availabilities.

 

[dhscott]

I'm still adamant you should not use a registrar to check the availability of domains. Use a reputable WHOIS website or connect to the WHOIS server from your own PC.

Or use a program to do it all for you :lol:

 

[YesBrilliant]

Or use a program to do it all for you :lol:

Be careful here too.

Some popular softwares, including paid ones, Do send a copy of your searches to a specific place that only them know where.

Safest bet, check availability at www.internic.net/whois.html , one by one, manually, or you create a software for that.

However, even that is Not a hundred percent secure because we never know if somebody can be spying on at the Internic doorstep, without their knowledge.

 

[domaindigger]

Funnily, a Vice President from Go Daddy has posted in some online news sites
they don't sell their queries. Yet a lot of people still believe otherwise.

Unfortunately it's easy for people to believe that, especially if they don't care
to fully understand how the process works.

Unfortunately, it's also easy for people to believe everything the management of a corporation feeds them.

When you have a completely random and obscure domain you haven't told ANYONE about and only use ONE service to check for its availability (without registering it), and it is subsequently registered by a well-known domain tasting company within 24 hours, then it is obvious to anyone that that ONE service you used to check its availability is providing that information to other companies. That's what's happened with GoDaddy not once, but SEVERAL times with at least 4 different domain tasting companies.

If it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, and tastes like a duck, it's not fish.

 

[jaggerboy]

it happened to me twice, and yess.......with (mobi)domains checked on GoDaddy !!!

promised myself to never use GD again.....

Jagg

 

[iMODO Man]

Yeah, its a process that really sucks. A cheap and underhanded way that ensures our industry remains, in the eyes of those looking in, as sleazy as they always thought it was.

I actually searched for maisontropicalesucks.com through one of these suspect whois lookup companys (wont say which). And low and behold, within 24hrs, they had registered it.... :lol:

Small fun in comparison I guess. But next time i do it, Im gonna search for a derogative name connected with one of these sleaze bags companies and then send a whole bunch of traffic to the domain just so they dont drop it. Then theyll be left with it.. muhhahahahaha

 

[Dave_Z]

When you have a completely random and obscure domain you haven't told ANYONE about and only use ONE service to check for its availability (without registering it), and it is subsequently registered by a well-known domain tasting company within 24 hours, then it is obvious to anyone that that ONE service you used to check its availability is providing that information to other companies.

Without having an intimate know-how of how domain searches are made, it's
obviously easy to reach that conclusion. But since people here apparently are
not interested in learning how that goes, then believe what you want.

 

[domaindigger]

Without having an intimate know-how of how domain searches are made, it's
obviously easy to reach that conclusion. But since people here apparently are
not interested in learning how that goes, then believe what you want.

Enlighten us with your wisdom, oh great one. Explain why this happens with some registrars (e.g. GoDaddy.com) and not with others (e.g. Moniker).

 

[YesBrilliant]

Enlighten us with your wisdom, oh great one. Explain why this happens with some registrars (e.g. GoDaddy.com) and not with others (e.g. Moniker).

I'd like to know the answer as well.

 

[Dave_Z]

Please, I'm not some domain god (which was the greeting in one fax I myself
answered before :D). I don't profess to know all the answers, but I'll share a
few that I've learned from having worked in the business.

When one uses the registrar's site to make a domain availability query, they're
going to query the Registry of that extension. If you're looking up for a .com,
then the registrar will check the VeriSign COM NET Registry.

That query is not shared with other registrars. However, I will grant that the
registrar can very well share their results with others if they choose to.

Unfortunately that's not going to stop others from getting creative. The port
number registrars use to do those queries is also open to data-mining.

If your machine is "compromised" by spyware or the sort (knock on wood) or if
you're using a toolbar, you might want to also check if they're not sharing any
query with someone. It's not inconceivable.

There are various possibilities as to how and why our domain searches appear
to be seen by others. Without further digging from those involved in the biz,
we'll never really know the full story.

But I'll tell you this: the moment you log onto someone's site, you really have
no realistic expectation of online privacy.

 

[domaindigger]

Please, I'm not some domain god (which was the greeting in one fax I myself
answered before :D). I don't profess to know all the answers, but I'll share a
few that I've learned from having worked in the business.

When one uses the registrar's site to make a domain availability query, they're
going to query the Registry of that extension. If you're looking up for a .com,
then the registrar will check the VeriSign COM NET Registry.

That query is not shared with other registrars. However, I will grant that the
registrar can very well share their results with others if they choose to.

Unfortunately that's not going to stop others from getting creative. The port
number registrars use to do those queries is also open to data-mining.

If your machine is "compromised" by spyware or the sort (knock on wood) or if
you're using a toolbar, you might want to also check if they're not sharing any
query with someone. It's not inconceivable.

There are various possibilities as to how and why our domain searches appear
to be seen by others. Without further digging from those involved in the biz,
we'll never really know the full story.

But I'll tell you this: the moment you log onto someone's site, you really have
no realistic expectation of online privacy.

You did not explain why this happens with some registrars (e.g. GoDaddy.com) and not with others (e.g. Moniker).

 

[Dave_Z]

You did not explain why this happens with some registrars (e.g. GoDaddy.com) and not with others (e.g. Moniker).

I already gave a clue:

The port number registrars use to do those queries is also open to data-mining.

Some things just aren't that obvious.

Again, I don't know all the answers. I'm posting what I know for people to at
least possibly consider.

IIRC there's at least one person here who complained of a similar thing happen
at Moniker as well.

 

[iMODO Man]

Its a very simple formula.

Dependant upon which Whois lookup you use - some are connected in some intangible way to domain tasters. i.e. Every single whois query through certain "whois" look up services then get registered by the domain tasters.

I wont post which are connected to which but sufficed to say (and like i posted earlier in this thread) there is some minor fun to be had in doing a Whois lookup for a derogative term that matches the taster company name and then smile as that company then goes and registers it....

Moniker / Enom and going direct to the central registry are probably the safest way to ensure that domains you are considering dont annoyingly get snapped up by the low life domain tasters