Got an offer for one of my names. But is this serious?

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Hi there,

I just want to double check with you if this could be a real offer or is this not serious? As I'm not a professional in this area, I appreciate your inputs and thoughts.
Today, I got an email with a purchase offer for one of my domains. I've answered with an asking price of $499 for the name. The reply then from the guys was:
I'm not interested in transactions under 5,000. My client pays me 10%-15% on every sale.
May I suggest to change your price to 5,000? My rich client can afford this sum. In this case I will earn a better commission.
I hope you understand my business model better now.
I agreed and told him, if he knows best, then he should offer the client $5,000. Then I got the following answer:
The buyer will pay you the appraised value. It will be fair since he does not want to pay something over the real market value.
Based on my experience, I think your name is in $5,000 - $10,000 range.
Do you have a certificate of the appraised value?
If you don't have it's not a problem. You can order it online.
He needs it from a source he knows and trusts.
I’m also interested in a good estimate of the market price because he pays me % on each sale.
The process is very easy:
1. Go to the certificate agency site (see instructions below) and submit your domain for the certification. Please let them know you have a buyer with $XX,XXX offer. It will help you to get a better valuation. In the comment field please ask them to guarantee that the appraised value will be higher than the appraisal service fee. In this case you will not risk to pay and get a low appraisal. I suggest you this company because they protect you as the seller from getting a low appraised value. They will send you the payment instruction only if your domain is worth $1000 or higher. Otherwise your request will be declined and you will not pay hem anything. Other companies does not offer this option.
2. If your request will be approved, please pay them the fee and wait for 24 hours. Then send me the results via email and we will start the sale process. As soon as he receives your certificate, he will buy your domain via an escrow service. Any escrow service will be able to pay you via Paypal, Wire, Western Union or any other method you prefer.
He wants to ensure the safe delivery of the funds to you. Furthermore, since this is our first time conducting any business, I believe that using a third-party escrow service can provide a safe, well defined sale process.
The certificate must include only 2 things to be accepted by my buyer:
1. Independent valuation of the market price. Only manual valuation is accepted. No valuations generated by scripts.
2. Trademark infringement verification. It proves your domain has no trademark problems. He would like this verification to be included in the appraisal report. It's not a problem because some companies include the TM verification for free.
You can read about the recommended certification agency at Google Answers: http://archive.answers-google.org/answers/threadview/id/91627381.html.
If you are new to certifications, I can send you step by step instructions.

Is this serious and a common way in the domain broker area? I understand the importance of a certificate for the client. The mentioned site to get the certificate is http://domain-words.net (= http://domainswanted.net/ I figured out already) and it would cost $179 for one domain. I don't have a real feeling on it because it's the first time I got such an offer. Maybe the guy just wants that I spend my money on this site for a useless certification because there is no client...
I would appreciate any advice or thoughts on it.

Thank you very much!
MAF1981
 
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it's a scam


they prey on newbies
 
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..............Maybe the guy just wants that I spend my money on this site for a useless certification because there is no client...

Yup, that is true. :)
 
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No Jackpot, just a classic scam.-_-
 
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100% SCAM
 
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all time classic SCAM!
 
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It's a SCAM. Just put his email on your growing spam list.
 
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Yes ... SCAM ! Believe us ... We all recieved this email at least once ... a week !
 
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he is interested in your $179, nothing else! Good thing you started this thread :)
 
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Yep definite scam. Who asks to buy something at $5k after being quoted $499? Nobody. Except an appraisal scammer :)
 
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Scam!
 
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Hey Super Mario ...... they are just playing games with you
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See what I did ..... uummm
 
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Definite scam....
 
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It's so funny how those scammers are out of ideas. This email won't convince a 10 years old.

May I suggest to change your price to 5,000? My rich client can afford this sum.

That's hilarious.
 
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It's been going for a long time, a law of averages thing........some do actually fall for it
 
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It's called appraisal scam. They mostly prey on newbies.
 
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It's a scam.99.9% of the time a broker will never say he or she has a rich client.
 
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Its a scam the next thing is hes gonna ask you to buy an appraisal from a certain company ,this will cost a couple hundred dollars ,but he already knows his customer will take it. Its a numbers game to these guys out of a thousand people he gets a handful ,And those are good numbers. Play along with it waste his time ,just for the hell of it. I do this sometimes when I am browsing the net and get calls ,keep them on the phone wasting their time ,playing dumb,when I know its a scam ,then after 10 min. I curse them out and hang on them.
 
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Maybe the guy just wants that I spend my money on this site
Bannen's handy Appraisal Scam Explanation:

1 - the scammers scan for fresh regs. They look mainly for what they consider crappy new regs (though it could be argued that all new regs are crappy... let's say they look for the crappier ones that make little sense, a sign of a newbie domainer), and probably use a tool to see whether the new registrant owns very few domains. It's a waste of time to send emails to owners of hundreds or thousands of domains as this generally means the owner by now knows about appraisal scams already. But some of us long-timers still get the occasional email from them when we make a fresh reg.

2 - they make an offer for your domain. Usually newbies give them a small asking-price for their fresh-regged domain - they get excited and don't want to scare away the 'buyer', so they ask a few hundred $. The scammers try to hook you deeper by saying they'll pay a lot more, usually a few grand. That makes it more feasible for you to consider paying a good amount of your hard-earned cash (they don't give a shiitake how poor you might be) for... drum roll...

3 - an 'appraisal certificate' is asked for. They say their (fictional) client needs to see an appraisal certificate to make sure it's worth paying that big price. They give you a link to what they say is a 'reliable/accurate' appraisal service. They pretend they just know about this site, or read a review of it, or it was recommended to them, etc, but the appraisal website is actually owned by the scammer/s who just emailed you.

4 - you diarrhea your pants, scream at your parents to not microwave your dinner yet, kick the dog from under your desk, piss on the houseplants in the excitement of release, and slap your baby sister out of your room to go steal your parents' credit card for you, in your haste to pay anywhere from $50 to $200 to have your domain appraised right away, because you have an awesome buyer/fish on the line for your newly crapped, I mean regged, domain and the only thing in the way of your getting tons of weed money real fast is that insignificant little appraisal certificate and the time needed to scratch your ballistics.

5 - the scammers lustfully and gleefully accept your parents' credit card payment, buy more stinky kielbasa and ale to celebrate, and laugh contemptuously while their back-alley-coded software generates a completely random and irrelevant but high value to your domain. Then it automates a really pretty and official looking e-document that seems to resemble a certificate of some kind, with some appraisal figure and some domainer jargon on it. It looks wonderful, and it must be worth every penny paid. Heck, get the appraisal again, for the same domain, just to get TWO pretty certificates! Trust me. Then buy appraisals for your friends' domains too, as a gift. Well worth it, IMO.

6 - since they were never real buyers, and their entire motive in making an offer for your domain was to lead you to their paid appraisal service, then right after they have your money they disappear. They either stop responding to your emails, or they say their buyer has lost interest or has found another domain they like better, or a dozen other excuses. Voila: you have a useless certificate and you're out the money for both a crappy useless domain reg fee (I mean that in the kindest possible way, don't be offended) and a crappy useless appraisal certificate fee. And the registrar has your ten bucks and the appraisal scammer has ten times that amount of your parents' money, which is coming out of your college fund anyway (actually it's your entire college fund) so you've just screwed yourself, really.

Or you can back up a few steps, right after step 3, so let's call this step:
3(a) - you sign up to Namepros, ask what the damn hell is going on with this strange offer on your new reg, and we fill you in about appraisal scams, and then you, your parents, your underpants, your dog, your baby sister, your plants, and your college fund are saved from the holocaust of steps 4 through 6. And you've only foolishly wasted the reg fee $ of your useless unsellable lame-a$$ crappy new domain reg (again I mean that in the kindest way, no offense).

Thank you for your time.
 
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100% Scam, received this before for some of my domains.

The "too good to be true" crap. I just laugh and move on.
 
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