new gtlds Google bought X.Company (and moved from SolveForX.com to it)

[Al Marri]

Hello everyone

Google bought X.Company from the first owner was Chinese person so Google use that name for X project .

X.Company

 

[slader23]

if someone is buying a domain based on the concept of the greater fool theory it is not legit.

These type of names will invariably drop because they were not owned by end-users and have no long-term value.

Protective regs made by brands won't advance the cause either. They are zombies that inflate the zone but never result in usage.

Most regs that have been made so far were zombie regs. The numbers look good superficially but there is little usage that is the problem.

.mobi is another example of this. A lot of regs but in the past 10 years I have not used one single .mobi site.

.Mobi is a poor example, how can you compare that with keyword string domains? You can't there entirely different breeds. Its like looking at a minature pony compared to a young racehorse...one has the potential to get on the track and pay off the investment its owner has put into its development, the other...although it may have sincere intentions is more of a vanity buy than anything else at this point. I mean who would use EasyCredit.mobi over Easy.Credit....one is gold the other one is an aged lump of coal. The two things your arguing are relevant in .com as well so its not like zombie regs and a protective ownership are a new trend. This is what made high level .com's more valuable and it will do the same with NGTLDs.

 

[dordomai]

So since you have all the domain and internet answers...care to share your super premium .com domains that are stellar? Let's take a look?

I never talked about my domains being super premium. I am talking about why .com is so far the only investment grade extension in the world.(besides ccTLDs) This is not about individual domains being good or bad. It is about extensions that sell vs. unproven extensions that are being hyped...

You can have the most super premium keywords in the world but if you have the wrong extension that won't help you much.

It does not matter how great your Rolex replica looks if it is not the real deal. That is something that the market decides and it's very predictable what the market will do short term/mid-term.

Mobi is a poor example, how can you compare that with keyword string domains? You can't there entirely different breeds. Its like looking at a minature pony compared to a young racehorse...one has the potential to get on the track and pay off the investment its owner has put into its development, the other...although it may have sincere intentions is more of a vanity buy than anything else at this point.

most of the combos that are premium will be sold by the registries not domainers.

if you want to see how well keyword strings or niche extensions sell look at .tv, .travel or .xxx.

The market has already been tested for these. .tv almost went broke, interestingly.

Exact match .com are bread and butter deals for domainers but the majority of website traffic goes to non-exact match. These alone will not make a market popular. You select the few best examples. There aren't that many great ones. Most are registry owned.

An infinitely large number of them simply sucks and is overpriced.

The ones that are doing well so far are more neutral extensions with broader usage options (.online, .club etc.) True exact match .whatever are doing poorly despite frequently being shown as examples of a perfect domain that is superior to it's .com version.

They look great to the domainers that bought them because they see $$$ when looking at them.

 

[Kate]

The speed at which the internet is innovating and expanding enables things to develop a lot quicker than "30 years", we don't live in the stone age.

Always the same worn-out argument, the Internet is changing fast, therefore new extensions will become valuable somehow. It's never been like that.

Just this past 1.5 weeks there was just under 1 million NGTLD registrations so the growth at the moment is exploding.

Just by the numbers they should be mainstream now. Obviously it isn't the case and looking at the numbers alone is misleading. After all .tk is the biggest ccTLD.

I have already provided highly reputable evidence suggesting the logical path towards the future of DNS, by the person who created the entire DNS system Paul Mockapetris, so you can thank him for warning all ngtld haters of the inevitable future.

I don't think he has endorsed new extensions as a valid investment strategy. Being in favor of new extensions is one thing, but the state of affairs is a total mess because the new extensions program has been poorly carried out. There are too many extensions right now. By the way, Vixie, another Internet pioneer is not mincing his words: http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-top-level-domains-a-money-grab-and-a-mistake-paul-vixie/

The NGTLD market will get flooded, making the great names you see in this thread and others appreciate more in value because they are in the top 1% of their respective registry. Scarcity increases value and when they are only a few hundred high level names for every ngtld , increased saturation will only bring their prices higher and those of lesser quality lower...thats just how things develop.

Scarcity increases value... wrong. Scarcity does not increase value when there is no end user demand. This is wishful thinking. Right now, you're trying to convince yourself you're holding valuable inventory.
There is a reason why the majority of domain sales reports are made of legacy extensions. End users willing to spend some money on a domain name will usually not consider new extensions as a first choice.

In 5 years the internet will be completely different than it is now and in 10 years it will be even more dissimilar. Throwing out random numbers like "30 years" means you really don't understand how quickly things are moving.

The Internet is changing fast. On the other hand, protocols (that includes the DNS) are awfully slow to change.
I think the most important trend is the continued shift toward ccTLDs. How many end users care about new extensions... in the real world. Why aren't new extensions mainstream and popular if the underlying figures are so amazing. For sure there is more to the story.

#FoolsGold

 

[dordomai]

Why aren't new extensions mainstream and popular if the underlying figures are so amazing. For sure there is more to the story.

#FoolsGold

Right. According to the numbers one in 7 websites should be a .ngtld. I do not use one single nGTLD website service so far.

That means after 3 years the average joe internet user is not exposed to them.

How can they ever reach critical mass if internet users are not being exposed to them?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-top-level-domains-a-money-grab-and-a-mistake-paul-vixie/

"I think it is a money grab. My own view is that ICANN functions as a regulator, and that as a regulator it has been captured by the industry that they are regulating. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said.

Vixie sees the demand for the new domains as having come from "the people who have the budget to send a lot of people to every ICANN meeting, and participate in every debate", that is, the domain name registrars who simply want more names to sell, so they can make more money. But these new domains don't seem to be working.

"They're gradually rolling out, and they are all commercial failures," Vixie said.

 

[slader23]

Always the same worn-out argument, the Internet is changing fast, therefore new extensions will become valuable somehow. It's never been like that.

Just by the numbers they should be mainstream now. Obviously it isn't the case and looking at the numbers alone is misleading. After all .tk is the biggest ccTLD.

I don't think he has endorsed new extensions as a valid investment strategy. Being in favor of new extensions is one thing, but the state of affairs is a total mess because the new extensions program has been poorly carried out. There are too many extensions right now. By the way, Vixie, another Internet pioneer is not mincing his words: http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-top-level-domains-a-money-grab-and-a-mistake-paul-vixie/

Scarcity increases value... wrong. Scarcity does not increase value when there is no end user demand. This is wishful thinking. Right now, you're trying to convince yourself you're holding valuable inventory.
There is a reason why the majority of domain sales reports are made of legacy extensions. End users willing to spend some money on a domain name will usually not consider new extensions as a first choice.

The Internet is changing fast. On the other hand, protocols (that includes the DNS) are awfully slow to change.
I think the most important trend is the continued shift toward ccTLDs. How many end users care about new extensions... in the real world. Why aren't new extensions mainstream and popular if the underlying figures are so amazing. For sure there is more to the story.

#FoolsGold

DNS protocols are always changing. Scarcity increases value...you learn that in ECON 101 or 100, but I guess you never took that. Also there is plenty of demand and it will continue to grow, if ngtlds weren't in demand then why would Google or Microsoft buy them while comparable .com's gather dust being parked? Clearly they are the better option being legacy tlds? Your a fool to think that public reports account for a meaningful percentage of domain sales, any company worth its ilk would buy domains under very strict NDA's revealing nothing other than them being the new owner. Again, I've already sourced Paul Mockapetris, so rather than make insubstantial arguments, you should go and watch that video...wasn't it you who asked for the source? Paul Vixie, as established as he is did not create the DNS and therefore has a starkly different vision then the man who made it his mission to build it Paul Mockapetris and after reading that article it seems to me that he is more concerned about the security issues of new NGTLDs and the fact that a "price tag" can be associated with the registration of a new addition to the DNS than the actual innovation of its use. In layman's terms he is more concerned about how it affects his own interests and the principles that he himself has rather than the actual need for them. Which makes sense since he runs a security company( Farsight Security), using an article to create a problem that needs fixing is quite an easy way to gain business, but I doubt many people think at this level.


I suggest you take the time to find less bias sources. Just going through google won't cut it.

 

[dordomai]

Scarcity increases value...you learn that in ECON 101 or 100, but I guess you never took that

the question is what value will be increased.

scarcity of diamonds will NOT increase value of cubic zirconia

Your a fool to think that public reports account for a meaningful percentage of domain sales,

the same applies to .com. What counts is the ratio of reported .com sales vs. .ngtld sales. The percentage of nGTLD sales, is so far not significant.

Google or Microsoft buy them while comparable .com's gather dust being parked? Clearly there the better option being legacy tlds?

This is not reflected in current sales reports. Large companies mostly buy .com.

Clearly there the better option being legacy tlds?

if we look at current sales reports, end-users don't think that way or they simply don't know any better.

 

[slader23]

the question is what value will be increased.

scarcity of diamonds will NOT increase value of cubic zirconia

Diamonds and Cubic Zirconia are fundamentally different at the molecular level. .COM and NGTLDS are both Top Level Domains. In one case one looks like the other but isn't related in the other case one is different than the other but is related. You guys make this too easy.

 

[Restaurants]

Question of the day...if you don't like .company, why are you even in here in the first place? Go camping or something lol.

 

[dordomai]

Diamonds and Cubic Zirconia are fundamentally different at the molecular level. .COM and NGTLDS are both Top Level Domains. In one case one looks like the other but isn't related in the other case one is different than the other but is related. You guys make this too easy.

only one of them sells for a lot of money. It does not matter how many diamond alternatives are on the market, only diamonds will sell for a lot of money which applies to domains as well.

How many ngTLD website services are you using? Do you enjoy them? Or are you busy visiting inferior.com websites?

Question of the day...if you don't like .company, why are you even in here in the first place? Go camping or something lol.

if you don't like .com why are you visiting this website instead of a domaining forum on a nGTLD extension? Ok. In understand. There aren't any.

I will now go to uber.car NOT. Or is it car.uber?

 

[Restaurants]

only one of them sells for a lot of money. It does not matter how many diamond alternatives are on the market, only diamonds will sell for a lot of money.

Don't know how long you been up there in the rocky mountains researching the rise and fall of domains...from looking at your profile pic. Let's just conclude that not all .com and TLDS are going to fetch large prices or take a business or company to the next level...only the rare gems in various extensions. At the end of the day, only the buyer can decide what makes perfect sense for them.

 

[Restaurants]

only one of them sells for a lot of money. It does not matter how many diamond alternatives are on the market, only diamonds will sell for a lot of money which applies to domains as well.

How many ngTLD website services are you using? Do you enjoy them? Or are you busy visiting inferior.com websites?



if you don't like .com why are you visiting this website instead of a domaining forum on a nGTLD extension? Ok. In understand. There aren't any.

I will now go to uber.car NOT. Or is it car.uber?

Looking at my watch and sipping coffee...hmmmmmm, last time I checked....I was still in/on this .company forum/post and you were the one in here with us. Check please.

 

[dordomai]

uniregistry.com

Mike Mann ‏@mikemanndotcom

How come 100% of Fortune500 genius marketing executives and CEOs are using super premium .COM domains? You know better? It's the koolaid again, never pays.

http://fb.me/8ptWXo2sh

 

[Restaurants]

uniregistry.com

Mike Mann ‏@mikemanndotcom


http://fb.me/8ptWXo2sh

Don't think Mike Mann is going to see your Batman beacon from this .company forum/post over those rocky mountains today...he may be on a yacht somewhere eating sushi smh.

 

[Joseph CA]

Comparing apples to oranges: "the .com sold for $$$$ therefore my new gTLD domain is worth at least $$$".
It doesn't work like that. And many sales are one of a kind.

The real question is, are .company domains selling at all ?

I honestly have received over 9 offers through Sedo. These includes high 4 figure offers.

 

[Restaurants]

Going to share another great .company domain from our portfolio today: Lens.company will turn 3 years old next year. Camera lens, camcorder lens and even Google is creating contact lens that can monitor glucose levels in diabetic patients. Superb. So yes, many of us with great .company portfolios are keeping track of things to come in the future. Google Digital Contact Lens Patent

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

everyone makes assumptions. What else can we do? You aren't making assumptions?

I did my research and that is why I came to the conclusion that nGTLDs will never be as valuable as a .com within the next 10 years and very likely beyond that.

In domains being the second best choice never paid well. Look up .net sales. Aside from a few ultra premium keywords they never did well. Premium keywords are for the most part reserved by the registries.

Either you are first or you aren't worth much. .com is first not because it is so great, it never was. It is first because it is the first choice.

With the Billions that have been spent on branding .com in the past 20 years, ngtlds will never become popular enough to be first, maybe theoretically 30 years from now but not within a timeframe that interests me.



that's why you will never get top dollar for your .company

you are the measure of all things...

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

uniregistry.com

Mike Mann ‏@mikemanndotcom


http://fb.me/8ptWXo2sh

they are trapped in a cave...

 

[teper]

Hmm okay lets see now
If someone is giving you 2 domains out of which you have to select 1?
Which one will you select?

A.COMPANY OR A.COM

Please answer honestly

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

Hmm okay lets see now
If someone is giving you 2 domains out of which you have to select 1?
Which one will you select?

A.COMPANY OR A.COM

Please answer honestly

why you don,t make a thread ?
by this post you give this thread some attention
that,s great

maybe you should read this post again and listen to some words...

a better example :

QatarGas.com ( 11 letters )
LNG.Company ( 10 letters )

what sounds better ?

.company is a great extension for companies

short in the beginning long at the end
or
long in the beginning and short at the end

 

[teper]

I love .company
It is one of the few ngtlds which i actually like

According to me if you are a Company/Corporation then you should definitely have a .company (Not as a main website of course) but for example if we are talking about say tools.company or say cars.company.
What will it exactly convey?
According me it will look like a directory containing list of car companies/models. I don't know about others so my 2 cents.