Google and Cashparking

[dennis2000]

Hi folks,

A question ...

If Google does not index cash parked sites, does that not make charging for cashparking essentially something of a "carnival scam" (fraud)?

I mean thankfully, Godaddy.com does not charge a whole heck of a lot for "cash parking" ($3.99/mo for its basic service, somewhat more for a "deluxe" one). However one could also easily find oneself "subscribing" for a year's worth of this service ... when it may take a newbie like me a week or two to realize that there's _no way_ that one's going to even make up one month's $3.99. (I paid the $3.99 for one month... ok, which I could given instead for an overpriced cup of coffee at Starbucks ... but I easily could have paid $40 for a year's worth of this service of, in my mind, very questionable value).

I say this because, _most people_ DON'T type random urls (or ANY urls) into their browser to find what they are looking for. Instead, they simply go to search engines ... like Google. And if Google does not list parked sites, that's it, you're dead.

Now that's not necessarily clear within _either_ Godaddy's or Google's FAQ / help materials. However, I did _stumble_ onto entry about "Parked Domains" within Google's help files:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66376&query=parked&topic=&type=

"Parked pages don't provide value to searchers, so we [Google] don't typically return them in our search results. If you have parked domains, activate the domains and fill them with useful content to make them eligible for being indexed and returned in search results."

Q.E.D. - In such an environment, Google is revealed to be the "God-like gatekeeper to all things web" that we've always had a hunch that they were("hello, anti-trust laws my old friend..." Yes, I know, we'll all be dead before any anti-trust court case would ever get settled ... witness ATT and Microsoft...) and even, no slouch, Godaddy is reduced nickel and dime scamming of its customers because Google has its foot on the hose.

Comments? :imho:

Dennis

 

[Paul Nicks]

if you have the right domains, people will type it into the address bar. All parking companies have the problem of sites being removed from Google's index, the only ones that get by currently are the psuedo-parking companies that offer scraped content based on the domain.

 

[netmeg]

I have hundreds of parked domains indexed in Google, many - probably most - without added content. Sure, they might disappear tomorrow, but they're there now, and they've been there for months. I don't think Google's algorithm is quite that smart yet.

 

[domainpark]

Hi

Cash Parking is not for someone just getting started in domain parking.
Godaddy does not allow any sort of promotions of domains and chances are newly hand reg domains have no traffic to them.

The parking co's who have a yahoo feed are best for someone just starting in the industry since those parking co's allow whats called arbritrage. Essentailly purchasing traffic at a lower cost and hoping that the yahoo advertisers for a certain keyword come up higher than the purchased keyword at another ppc co like google.

Now if there is real want and a desire to get into domain parking the other alternative is purchasing expired domains. There is a whole section devoted to this very topic in namepros. Sometimes these domains are costly at a place like snapnames the initial bid cost is $60 for one domain. Although a good expired domain can return someones investment in less than 30 days if lucky.

So welcome to the wild world of domain parking , hold onto to that hat its a wild ride :hehe:

Honest there alot of money in the industry for even someone even just getting started , it takes learning what to do, what not to do and where to go and where not to go.

 

[tonyfloyd]

do ALL parking co's who have Yahoo feeds allow arb?

 

[domainpark]

do ALL parking co's who have Yahoo feeds allow arb?

From what I am told yes.

There was something posted recently in ref to tz. I do not know 100% on that one, although I still see alot of ads promoting their landers so who knows.

 

[dennis2000]

Folks, thanks much for your input! Yup, it's sounding like a wilder and crazier world in domain parking than I first imagined!

So Yahoo allows indexing of parked sites, but you have to use their ad-feed service? That actually makes sense. But is it true? I'll be checking ...

Dennis

 

[Varon]

Hi folks,

A question ...

If Google does not index cash parked sites, does that not make charging for cashparking essentially something of a "carnival scam" (fraud)?

I mean thankfully, Godaddy.com does not charge a whole heck of a lot for "cash parking" ($3.99/mo for its basic service, somewhat more for a "deluxe" one). However one could also easily find oneself "subscribing" for a year's worth of this service ... when it may take a newbie like me a week or two to realize that there's _no way_ that one's going to even make up one month's $3.99. (I paid the $3.99 for one month... ok, which I could given instead for an overpriced cup of coffee at Starbucks ... but I easily could have paid $40 for a year's worth of this service of, in my mind, very questionable value).

I say this because, _most people_ DON'T type random urls (or ANY urls) into their browser to find what they are looking for. Instead, they simply go to search engines ... like Google. And if Google does not list parked sites, that's it, you're dead.

Now that's not necessarily clear within _either_ Godaddy's or Google's FAQ / help materials. However, I did _stumble_ onto entry about "Parked Domains" within Google's help files:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66376&query=parked&topic=&type=

"Parked pages don't provide value to searchers, so we [Google] don't typically return them in our search results. If you have parked domains, activate the domains and fill them with useful content to make them eligible for being indexed and returned in search results."

Q.E.D. - In such an environment, Google is revealed to be the "God-like gatekeeper to all things web" that we've always had a hunch that they were("hello, anti-trust laws my old friend..." Yes, I know, we'll all be dead before any anti-trust court case would ever get settled ... witness ATT and Microsoft...) and even, no slouch, Godaddy is reduced nickel and dime scamming of its customers because Google has its foot on the hose.

Comments? :imho:

Dennis

Hi Dennis, firstly my sincere advise would be to stop paying Daddy $3.99 or a future $40. It's worthless especially considering that you can park your domain free at more than 30 domain parking services. Go Daddy does not pay you any more on your parking income than the others, so paying them to park is totally out of the question. I would suggest you apply to some good parking companies like Parked.com/ Fabulous etc. And when you do get approved by these services, you can use the cash to get a nice cup of starbucks.

And as regards Google's policies ...
"Parked pages don't provide value to searchers, so we [Google] don't typically return them in our search results. If you have parked domains, activate the domains and fill them with useful content to make them eligible for being indexed and returned in search results."

Please don't bother too much about what they do. Google is a biased unethical company completely immersed in self adulation (PR 10) and blinded by success. A search engine's job is to fairly crawl every bit of text data or domain present on the internet. By excluding certain sites, Google is discriminating on what data its engine wants to show the world. Its just like me owning an apartment community and not showing a person's name living there, just because I feel that the person's name is not worthy of being mentioned to any visitor wanting to know who lives in my community. It just means that Google isn't a complete search engine which unbiasedly presents its search visitors with "complete internet data". It is showing the world what "it" wants the world to see. I can understand blocking child pornography sites and some scam sites or sites which spread hate/violence. But to ignore parked sites is an unjust practice. We don't need a parked site to feature on the 1st page of a search query, but it should atleast have its presence mentioned, even if on the last millionth page.

Believe me, Google sincerely needs to do some soul searching.

 

[Mike]

Please don't bother too much about what they do. Google is a biased unethical company completely immersed in self adulation (PR 10) and blinded by success. A search engine's job is to fairly crawl every bit of text data or domain present on the internet. By excluding certain sites, Google is discriminating on what data its engine wants to show the world. Its just like me owning an apartment community and not showing a person's name living there, just because I feel that the person's name is not worthy of being mentioned to any visitor wanting to know who lives in my community. It just means that Google isn't a complete search engine which unbiasedly presents its search visitors with "complete internet data". It is showing the world what "it" wants the world to see. I can understand blocking child pornography sites and some scam sites or sites which spread hate/violence. But to ignore parked sites is an unjust practice. We don't need a parked site to feature on the 1st page of a search query, but it should atleast have its presence mentioned, even if on the last millionth page.
Believe me, Google sincerely needs to do some soul searching.

This is about THE best summary of my thoughts about Google, their business ethics, tactics, method of selection,........., and self declared reign over the net, etc.

M.

 

[domainpark]

This is about THE best summary of my thoughts about Google, their business ethics, tactics, method of selection,........., and self declared reign over the net, etc.

M.

A good summary on google is like this

They are most likely the:

"MOST LOVED" ( THEIR STOCK HOLDERS)

" MOST RECONIZED" ( EVERYDAY ONLINE SURFER)

"MOST HATED" ( SMALL WEBSITE OWNERS)

Company in the world

 

[netmeg]

See now, this is one of the few instances where I disagree with Varon. Google is a business, and it's their search engine, and they pay for all the servers and the bandwidth and the programming and whatnot, and as far as I'm concerned, they get to decide which sites they want to index and which they don't. And if they decide they don't want to index some of my urls (and they don't index all of my urls) well, that's my tough luck. They don't owe me fairness, and they don't owe me a level playing field. It's up to me to put myself on that field, not Google. (or Yahoo, or MSN)

Yea, I've heard all the monopoly talk - I don't buy it, though, because Google is not a true monopoly. They have competitors in just about every field they're in. Just because they have the dominant market share does not automatically make them a pure monopoly.

So have at it - rip me apart, I can take it!

(ork ork)

 

[Varon]

See now, this is one of the few instances where I disagree with Varon. Google is a business, and it's their search engine, and they pay for all the servers and the bandwidth and the programming and whatnot, and as far as I'm concerned, they get to decide which sites they want to index and which they don't. And if they decide they don't want to index some of my urls (and they don't index all of my urls) well, that's my tough luck. They don't owe me fairness, and they don't owe me a level playing field. It's up to me to put myself on that field, not Google. (or Yahoo, or MSN)

Yea, I've heard all the monopoly talk - I don't buy it, though, because Google is not a true monopoly. They have competitors in just about every field they're in. Just because they have the dominant market share does not automatically make them a pure monopoly.

So have at it - rip me apart, I can take it!

(ork ork)

No hard feelings at all. But I would strongly stick to my statement.

 

[DDC_Cyn]

I say this because, _most people_ DON'T type random urls (or ANY urls) into their browser to find what they are looking for. Instead, they simply go to search engines ... like Google.

I used to think this was the case, then I watched my husband search for something on the internet and sure enough he typed right into the URL box. I said, wait, you're in the wrong box. Type in the search and he said, huh? This is the way I always do it!

Then I went to work for DDC and we specialize in typein traffic. Names like divorce.com and forsale.com. I wouldn't have believed it either but apparently a lot of people are finding websites that way.

Cyn

 

[Varon]

Hmm.... I applied to DDC a few days back and haven't heard back yet. I am pretty impressed with the DDC templates.