discuss Future of new gTLDs in next 5 years.

[Dmytros]

Hello! Some time I am investing in gTLD domains, the reason - I see future in them. People in todays reality want to become more individual and personalized.

I cannot understand domainers investing in gTLDs and then saying "that's crap", "read my lips, gTLD are D.E.A.D", and etc.

What are you doing investing in names like zxzxzx.life or unclebobsmith.catering? This have no sence, if you are trying to fool someone, you are fooling only yourself.

One of the reasons of developing gTLD is to stop market speculations. Now anyone should have name he always dreamed for! BUT, there is also the names which are really unique, names prices on .shop, like example, for 150.000$

Simply - real.life, street.fashion, ideal.menu, winter.clothing, easy.money, etc. There is such names in ANY extension, and believe me, they COST their renewal fees...

And now, how do you think, what are the perspectives of such gTLDs? How many years we need to make generic gTLDs fully implemented in virtual life of any person in this world? How many gTLD auctions should rise before that?

That's a question like when Bitcoin will cost 10.000$ or when robots should be in any house

Thanks!

 

[JB Lions]

But really I do see a future in the new domains.

New people usually do.

 

[Sentry.MBA]

New people usually do.

Yeah, but I mean from a company point of view I would want something snappy that fits my criteria of work that is unique and different from the rest.

So for example.

Snappyclothing.com

or

Snappy.clothing

I would go for the second option as its shorter and unique rather than having the longer version. It also stands for what I would want it to.

 

[Kate]

One of the big hurdles is to overcome confusion. If you have to advertise your URLs, especially on TV where exposure time is short, you have to make sure watchers will remember the URL correctly.
If the URL is not prefixed with http:// and/or www. many people will not realize it is a URL but think it is a stylized slogan à la make.believe (Sony).

 

[amirp]

its just matter of time, but keep in mind there, there are only 40% of world population using internet , more internet users= more domains and website , so eventually more people will use alternative
(new extensions)

 

[dordomai]

its just matter of time, but keep in mind there, there are only 40% of world population using internet , more internet users= more domains and website , so eventually more people will use alternative
(new extensions)

no. they will just use more .com

 

[Kate]

its just matter of time, but keep in mind there, there are only 40% of world population using internet , more internet users= more domains and website , so eventually more people will use alternative
(new extensions)

The vast majority of people don't need or want a domain, you don't need a domain to use the Internet. You usually need one for a business or it can be for a personal blog too, but again the majority of people won't buy a domain.
It's not like the pool of potential domain buyers is 3 billion people. It's much less than that. Of those, only a few people will buy a domain on the aftermarket.

no. they will just use more .com

And ccTLDs of course

 

[amirp]

more internet users= bigger market
end of the story

 

[deez007]

Oh yippee....another thread on the same topic with the same arguments by the same people with the same outcome... some like nGLTD's, some don't like nGTLD's - build a bridge and get over it already folks.

 

[hullswingerscom]

guy who sold a .shop for $10,000 seems happy enough

 

[Canadian]

Oh yippee....another thread on the same topic with the same arguments by the same people with the same outcome...

It's constantly the same NP members that hijack new gTLD threads.
Sometimes I wonder if there's a connection between their narrow minded new gTLD logic and being a Left-Winger ?

 

[HotKey]

The vast majority of people don't need or want a domain, you don't need a domain to use the Internet. You usually need one for a business or it can be for a personal blog too, but again the majority of people won't buy a domain.
It's not like the pool of potential domain buyers is 3 billion people. It's much less than that. Of those, only a few people will buy a domain on the aftermarket.

These are good points. And scary ones. But it's a reality that could not only affect the future of the new G's, but all TLDs. The majority of netizens are happy to just use social sites to establish their online presense.

On the flip side, I'm noticing many folks, even elders (60+) are increasingly becoming more and more savvy with understanding how websites and emails work in correlation with domains. They can see the value in owning their personal address, branded how they see fit. The internet is not just Google and Facebook.

 

[dordomai]

These are good points. And scary ones. But it's a reality that could not only affect the future of the new G's, but all TLDs. The majority of netizens are happy to just use social sites to establish their online presense.

On the flip side, I'm noticing many folks, even elders (60+) are increasingly becoming more and more savvy with understanding how websites and emails work in correlation with domains. They can see the value in owning their personal address, branded how they see fit. The internet is not just Google and Facebook.

domains have never been about what people want, most people never had a website, but what businesses want for their site.

also people from developing countries will want urls in their language, which is not english but the new TLDs are mostly english. ccTLD or .com will be the choice for them.

 

[HotKey]

Domains have always been about what people want. Other than health, food, shelter and clothing, everything in life is about what we want.

Most people from developing countries have more important things to worry about, like daily survival. New G's are a First World mechanism. For now.

 

[dordomai]

Domains have always been about what people want. Other than health, food, shelter and clothing, everything in life is about what we want.

Most people from developing countries have more important things to worry about, like daily survival. New G's are a First World mechanism. For now.

no. most sales are from businesses. that is where the money is in domaining. China is a developing country but they do still buy a lot of domains.

Nothing to do what the average guy on the street wants not even in the US. People that want to launch a website or a business buy domains.

domains are not a luxury good or popculture status symbol. They are a marketing tool used by professionals or businesses.

that is why the new TLDs are so toxic. you can't use them for marketing because people don't recognize them as domains and get confused. It does not matter how pretty your URL looks and how great the combination is. If you have sex.shop and 50% of your potential clients don't figure out that it is a domain you are in trouble and should go with a worse .com combo (e.g thesexshop.com)

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Interesting quote. Are new gTLDs 'one space'?

Yes and no

 

[168]

Garptrader,
"Yet of the more than one thousand new TLDs, after three years fewer than 30 even have 100k registrations".

Your comparison of registrations between old and new are misleading.
The old have been available for 16 years.
The new have been available for 3 years.

"Registrations are just a stat as what really matters is mindshare" -
If you believe this then why bother with absurd comparisons?
Legacy mindshare 30+ years
New"G"s mindshare 3 years

It's no secret less than 20% of New "G"s will "succeed" in terms of registrations/use.
Even the creators know this.
I think we can all agree the market will decide the winners/losers just like they decided the fate of .mobi/.info and the likes.
Here is a great example in the .com world. "Experts" denouncing number domains as bad investments.
The New Market for numbers changed that.

"How often do you buy something from a ..Link or .Online website? Do you view .Video websites or Youtube.com? Do you buy from Amazon.com or something.shop? "
I agree mindshare is important however, Another misleading comparison. The extension has nothing to do with "why" people shop there or use the service.
Amazon 22+ years "mindshare"
Utube 12+ years "mindshare"
.link, .online, .video 2+ years "mindshare"

"There needs to be a massive shift in sentiment toward aftermarket domain names as tools for promoting business products and services".
That "shift" is occurring. An example of that is : companies holding large portfolios vs a few. Well known companies using something other than a legacy to promote products and services. Our own industry using New"G"s. The shift into the masses always follows.

"You can analyze whatever you want, I don't think a single person has a clue today"
You are right about that. Not even "experts" (.mobi), not even those who completely write off New "G"s.
Blindly following "opinions" without doing your own research is a recipe for failure.

"but given what we have seen in the past, no contest".

Agree with that too but in a different way.
Given the crap offered in previous roll-outs,"crap" -as decided by the market, what is being offered today is far superior and much more relevant and useful in so many ways. NO contest.
Given a choice between .net/.mobi/.biz/.info and .Media/.Tech./Global/.Shop NO contest.

Happy Hunting

 

[168]

New people usually do.

Yea, they also believe .con is king. Nobody tells them about the small % that is actually king.

 

[dordomai]

Given a choice between .net/.mobi/.biz/.info and .Media/.Tech./Global/.Shop NO contest.

.tv, .xxx, .travel, .asia, .info, .jobs are excellent extensions.

.tv has 20 years mindshare.

 

[deez007]

that is why the new TLDs are so toxic. you can't use them for marketing because people don't recognize them as domains and get confused. It does not matter how pretty your URL looks and how great the combination is. If you have sex.shop and 50% of your potential clients don't figure out that it is a domain you are in trouble and should go with a worse .com combo (e.g thesexshop.com)

Yes, off course cos nothing will change, people don't adapt to change and will remain stagnant in their thinking as technology advances, right?

That's why people are unable to use touchscreens and are still looking for buttons on their phones, right? Cos people don't adapt to change at all?

Lol.... Narrow-mindedness and tunnel vision is toxic not new TLD's.

 

[dordomai]

Yes, off course cos nothing will change, people don't adapt to change and will remain stagnant in their thinking as technology advances, right?

That's why people are unable to use touchscreens and are still looking for buttons on their phones, right? Cos people don't adapt to change at all?

Lol.... Narrow-mindedness and tunnel vision is toxic not new TLD's.

there are better and cheaper places than NYC but for some reason everyone wants to move there...

 

[deez007]

there are better and cheaper places than NYC but for some reason everyone wants to move there...

everyone? really?..... I dont want to move to NYC, I'm sure about about 40-50% of the people here on the forum or maybe even more dont wnt to move to NYC.

I understand your point about it being a POPULAR choice... that just means alot of people would prefer that option... does not mean EVERYONE. This is the exact same thing with nGTLD's - they might not be the popular choice but that does not mean the market does not exist. The fact that many of us make nGTLD sales and the amount of nGTLD recorded sales that are happening means the market does exist and its growing... again, it is not mainstream and may not be the popular choice...but nose rings, nipple rings and belly rings or even reptilian pets are not mainstream... does that mean there is no market for it? , Nope...

Nobody is saying that u should compare .com's to nGTLD's the point I have been driving from day one is that they cater for different markets and there is nothing wrong with having a diversified portfolio....yes some nGTLD's are cr@p but some are really good.

 

[168]

I think we can all agree the pool of potential domain buyers is not HALF the population of the planet. Absurd.

How about a more realistic researchable numbers to consider.

How many companies there are in the world? more than 235 million companies across 200 countries worldwide (Dun & Bradstreet in 2013) including 89 million in emerging markets.
Inreresting, about the same as the number of domains Reg'd.
Doing business on the internet is still considered an emerging market. Presence on the internet still optional but less optional as the internet market develops. Backed by online sales growth vs brick, email, customer service, payments etc.
There already is and will be more companies using multiple domains.
There is and will be more individuals using domains.
The number of businesses will continue to grow and more will be online.
As profits from "platform" style operations decline, a % will choose their own "location"
How many start-ups each year?
Dr. Paul D. Reynolds, Director, Research Institute, Global Entrepreneurship Center:
"Not only do those figures not exist world wide, they don't really exist for most countries, but this is what we do know:
World wide, there are about 300 million persons trying to start about 150 million businesses. About one third will be launched, so you can assume 50 million new firm births per year. Or about 137,000 per day. As firm birth and death rates are about equal, the same number of active firms, say 120,000 probably terminate trading each day--world wide"

assume 50 million new firm births per year. Or about 137,000 per day
assuming a small fraction 10% will be online.
5+ million possible domain sales per year.
Legacy
cc's
New
If equally divided +/-1,667,00 per category.
If only 1% goes to New "G"s that's 50k domains
Cut the numbers in half to account for death rates.
Come to your own conclusions folks based on known reputable sources.

My perspective- Happy Hunting!

 

[168]

.tv, .xxx, .travel, .asia, .info, .jobs are excellent extensions.

.tv has 20 years mindshare.

Ah, therein lies the problem,
You think they are "excellent"
The market does not.

Niche extensions will never gain appreciable market share. Hellooo.

Extensions like .Media/.Global/.Tech/.Shop are all ubiquitous across all Niche markets. BIG DIFFERENCE in marketability.

Cheers

 

[dordomai]

Ah, therein lies the problem,
You think they are "excellent"
The market does not.

Niche extensions will never gain appreciable market share. Hellooo.

Extensions like .Media/.Global/.Tech/.Shop are all ubiquitous across all Niche markets. BIG DIFFERENCE in marketability.

Cheers

what does make .tech better than .tv?

Truth is .tv is better and it is still not very successful. It is also better than .media. Wait 20 years and the best TLDs will be as popular as .tv.

.xxx is great. Adult is the largest niche on the net. .xxx is very simple to remember, it is short. A great extension. In theory. In practice it is not successful.

you can dream, hope and fantasize but the facts will not change.

if you think .tech will make it and .tv not and if you think .global will take off because it is much better than .xxx then think again.

.xxx, .tv and .asia have NOT done too well and yours will do even worse because of the much larger supply that is available now.

There is and will be more individuals using domains.

Individuals with personal blogs paying you low $xxx for your premiums.

The number of businesses will continue to grow and more will be online.

In the US the highest growth rates are already behind us. Sure some substantial growth will happen but I wouldn't expect miracles. It is not 2003 anymore.

Keep in mind that the nGTLDs are mostly English language extensions.

assume 50 million new firm births per year. Or about 137,000 per day
assuming a small fraction 10% will be online.
5+ million possible domain sales per year.
Legacy
cc's
New
If equally divided +/-1,667,00 per category.
If only 1% goes to New "G"s that's 50k domains

the number of yesterday domain sales that were bigger than $500 as reported on Namebio is 67. That is 24455 each year.

 

[deez007]

what does .tech make better than .tv?

Truth is .tv is better and it is still not very successful. It is also better than media. Wait 20 years and the best TLDs will be as popular as .tv.

.xxx is great. Adult is the largest niche on the net. .xxx is very simple to remember, it is short. A great extension. In theory. In practice it is not successful.

you can dream, hope and fantasize but the facts will not change.

if you think .tech will make it and .tv not and if you think .global will take off because it is much better than .xxx then think again.

Why are you wasting your time with domaining? With your crystal ball that tells the future or your advanced super-hero skills that allow you speculate accurately what markets will do, you should be trading in high yield stocks and commodities or making billions with forex.

Oh wait?... is it because:

1.) You do not have a magic crystal ball that tells the future?

2.) Domaining much like the stock market is a smoke and mirrors game, the so called experts and traders have NO CLUE whats really going to happen, all they can do is speculate based on historic data. When a new commodity is introduced into the marketplace, that does not have sufficient historical sales data to analyze, trying to use other commodities historic sales data as a comparison to the new commodities current trajectory or using only recent data to try and determine the future value of the commodity is downright stupidity.

"you can dream, hope and fantasize but the facts will not change."

The only FACTS about domaining is that there are NO facts, all the data we get is manipulated and inaccurate. You can not account for "emotional / sentimental" purchases where people would pay $xxxx for a domain bcos it has sentimental value to them but worthless to the rest of us, you can not account for the MASSIVE amount of fake sales going through, you can not account for the MASSIVE amount of sales that are going through by people who are using domains to legally launder money out of their respective countries. So this so called factual data you rely so heavily on, is in fact...NOT FACTUAL!