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Many times when I get to an buy offer counteroffer situation, I always hear esitbot says it is worth this much etc etc.. Frustration sets in, as estibot, does not know what is going on in the world today, it is a bunch of code and syntax programming language... sometimes decent... sometimes not...

So I go to do some random fact finding, type in solar.com, maybe domain is worth XX,XXX amount or maybe even XXX,XXX, well estibot says it is worth $40.

Just another bump in the road, and it works both ways.
 
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I didn't realise that people took estibot seriously. I'd thought it was a joke.
 
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Maybe I'm just angry because I tried it a few minutes ago on some of my best stuff and it told me they were all worth zero. :lol:
 
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Here's what I believe is wrong with all appraisal models.

Unlike homes and cars that have a long history of sales and market comparisons, there is currently no equivalent in the domain name industry. As a result, domain appraisals lack credibility and are virtually meaningless for purposes of moving closer to a liquid market. If appraisals were actually a meaningful approximation of domain worth, we could all be taking out loans that represented 25% of our appraised portfolio value.

My guess is that the domains that would actually support a 25% loan to value ratio don't look anything like the portfolios assembled by 99% of domainers. If you want to create a successful model for what any given domain name is worth right now, there is only one way to do it:

Instead of asking:

โ€œWhat is your best guess as to the worth of this domain?"

I would suggest asking:

โ€œIf there is any price that you would pay right now to purchase the domain name shown below, what would that price be? Of course, your stated price would mean very little unless you actually intended to purchase the domain for this price if given the opportunity. So think carefully before you proceed - because for a period of 48 hours following your estimate of actual value, the owner of the domain name will have the opportunity to accept your statement of value and sell you the domain name at your stated price."

In other words, for purposes of arriving at an accurate valuation, this statement of value will be deemed an offer to buy that must be honored for a period of 48 hours.

Now, while this might sound crazy at first impression, this is the best way to develop a "low-book" accurate, liquid value for domains names that are each very unique in their own way - as opposed to stocks, bonds, other financial instruments or fungible goods. While real estate may be a good example for purposes of demonstrating the power of domain names, for purposes of appraisal, what works in real estate will not work for the great majority of domain names that are not the one or two word category killers that we all hear so much about, but in reality, represent far less than 1% of domains available in the marketplace.

Like cars that have both a wholesale and retail value, domain names are no different. As stated above, when a domainer offers a statement of value, it should be considered wholesale or โ€œlow bookโ€. For retail valuations, you must ask the same question set forth above of a potential retail end users who must also be prepared to have their domain valuations deemed a 48 hour offer to buy.

Here's the kicker:

The immediate consequence of this domain appraising model will be the humbling discovery that thousands upon thousands of domain names have zero liquidity, and with rare exception, arenโ€™t worth much more than reg fee. It will also become disturbingly clear that even more domain names are just plain worthless.


Initial offers could then be made available to thousands of other domainers (or in the case of โ€œhigh bookโ€ - to potential retail purchasers/end users) who, not knowing whether the initial values would be accepted or not by the owner, would be free to โ€œbid-upโ€ the current, binding estimation of value. While this approach may share certain characteristics with the traditional auction process, the dynamics are much different in that domain owners are finding out whether anyone would be willing to pay any amount at present, and the expert appraisers would be asked to back up their expert talk with action. Otherwise, I'm not interested in opinions of value.

For example, if I clearly believed a domain name was worth $100, I should have no problem offering to value (and buy it) for $25. This would create a liquid, low end of range, beginning value. Now if the truth of the matter is that I am really not willing to buy a $100 domain name for $25, what we have just discovered is that not only is the domain not worth $100, it is not even worth $25. What do I need an appraisal like that for?

What Result?

So if I pay $25 or $30 to one of the major registrars for a certified appraisal, and then immediately offer to sell them that same domain at 50% of their appraised value, what do you think would happen? If the big guys really believe in their certified appraisals, they should make a limited time offer (maybe 48 hrs?) to purchase the name for a lesser, fixed percentage of that value. If they won't do that, it speaks volumes. In addition, you couple a "limited, guaranteed offer to buy" appraisal like that with an appraisal fee that is based on a reasonable percentage of the actual appraised value (not $30 to appraise a domain worth $20) and now we're starting to move toward a liquid domain market!

Make no mistake, third party services like Estibot provide me with invaluable information and metrics that offer tremendous insight and opportunity to make domain buying and selling decisions, but sometimes, for all the reasons set forth above, I'd prefer that the estimate of value would be left out. In addition, when Estibot offers an appraisal score card following a major auction event, I'd like to see Estibot include all the domain names that didn't receive a single offer, yet had reserves well below the Estibot appraisal value. In my opinion, that would provide for a more complete overview.

The good news to implementing an appraisal model such as this would be a supportable, initial value that should be entered into a central database for those domain names that receive valuations/offers. Over time, this data base would not only establish a clear record for domain values at or near the time of the appraisal, but it would demonstrate the distinction between domains with present, liquid value and those without โ€“ moving the industry a step closer to offering greater liquidity and ending the expensive and wasteful practice of registering worthless domain names that have little hope of ever turning a profit in the resale market.

No doubt, the ideas set forth above could be improved on, but at least let's begin the discussion.
 
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Very interesting read, WordWalker! :tu:

As to the OP, "value" will always be a relative term. What an owner may feel his/her domain is worth is not necessarily what interested buyers may be willing to pay for the domain.

Estibot is just a tool that you can use any way you want, correctly or incorrectly. It's up to you...

By the way, any time anyone starts talking about domain "value", the sale of "iReport.com" always comes immediately to mind.

Domain Name Journal - The Lowdown

C'mon now, who here would have REALLY thought it would be worth three quarters of a million dollars?!?!?!
 
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You just tried the beta version of Estibot and 'beta' means just that: a product not officially released yet. If you try the old version, it gives a value of $380,000, which is fair IMO.
 
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I didn't realise that people took estibot seriously. I'd thought it was a joke.


Seems like some people only take automated appraisals seriously when it suits them ;) Personally I think they do more harm to the industry than good as newbs and endusers may take their appraisals as gospel.

Valuate.com (powered by gu/estibot 2.0) values Domaining.com at $110,000 yet he's asking
$3 million + for it D-:

Estibot appraisal for Domaining.com

Domain Appraisal USD 8,200 (for Domaining.com)

Domain Appraisal USD 4,300 (for domaining.com)


Hmmm, same domain, 3 prices ...Says it all ! :|


Disclaimer: I am not a fan of automated appraisals :snaphappy:

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Anyone that uses it purely for appraisals needs to get their thinking straight. It should be used as a tool...one of many, when deciding the value of a name.

I don't know why people keep creating these threads tbh. It's a automated guide and that's it.
 
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There is no shortcut to valuing domain names, if you spend some time researching the domain you want to buy or sell you will eventually come to a range of price.

The more experienced you get, the tighter the range IMO.

No one can just say "oh that domain is worth $877.55".

If you are going to expect a robot to give you a meaningful exact price of a domain, then you are going to be bitterly disappointed I'm afraid.

Estibot it is only one small "tool" in the domainers toolbox.
 
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For example, if I clearly believed a domain name was worth $100, I should have no problem offering to value (and buy it) for $25. This would create a liquid, low end of range, beginning value. Now if the truth of the matter is that I am really not willing to buy a $100 domain name for $25, what we have just discovered is that not only is the domain not worth $100, it is not even worth $25. What do I need an appraisal like that for?

Very true. If someone says a certain domain is worth low-xxxx, he should jump at the opportunity to buy it at $100, for example. Otherwise the "appraisal" is worth nothing. The only problem with this model is if the domain price is too high and the appraiser doesn't have sufficient funds.
 
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Although I don't put much faith in the values, Estibot can offer interesting insights into value based on search terms and other data available to it- if you have two word domains that you're unsure of the relative values, e.g. cheesyfeet.com and stinkyshoes.com, Estibot may say stinkyshoes.com is worth $20,000 and cheesyfeet.com is worth $12,500. I know neither domain is worth that much, but I now know based on the data available to Estibot that stinkyshoes.com is the more valuable name. If someone else owns cheesyfeet.com and sells it for $300, I would feel that stinkyfeet.com is going to be about $500.
It's obviously not going to work for every domain, in the same way as we all know the valuations on some domains is way off, but it still can be a useful tool.

(But overall, I agree with gazzip and others)
 
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CheapFlights.mobi sold for $8,750 (DNj) Estibot appraises it for $200k

I asked about estibot in the newbie forum but I've come to the conclusion that it is a good tool to use for stats (searches/mo, ranking etc) and nothing else....not even for a ballpark value in most cases, IMO.
 
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to all those who take estibot seriously or even bother with it, just quit domaining and go back to school.

it just rates domains from search frequency, cpc, backlinks and alexa rank.
 
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Anyone that uses it purely for appraisals needs to get their thinking straight. It should be used as a tool...one of many, when deciding the value of a name.

I don't know why people keep creating these threads tbh. It's a automated guide and that's it.
Automated appraisals contaminate perception of domain values. I rarely visit the forums anymore, but when I do I see excessive references to Estibot.

This is counterproductive to educating domainers and the larger market. It's the old adage about perpetuating a myth and the myth eventually becomes reality. In the absence of common sense and good judgement, someone has to set the record straight. Which is why this thread exists.
 
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It's been said time and time again..A DOMAIN IS ONLY WORTH WHAT THE BUYER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. DO NOT go by what these online appraisal websites say. Estibot is good for a number of things and when used properly it can give you some good statistics to work with..but if you are trying to price a domain by what estibot says it's worth you are a newb.
 
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I didn't realise that people took estibot seriously. I'd thought it was a joke.

All auto-appraisal sites are for novelty purposes only.
 
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DnSalePrice.com / NameBio.com are the only decent tools for valuating domains. Past & Recent sales history of similar domains with your keywords in it, is what should ultimately determine the price of your domain.

The only problem with archival sales data, is that many domains which have sold never get listed in these archives, so you can only guesstimate what their worth. Also many domains that were sold included websites, so you are also lead to guess.

I'm all for more transparency within the domain marketplace. I'm personally tired of all these domainers with their whois privacy on, and those domains that get privately sold. Until the domain marketplace becomes more like the real estate market nobody will take domaining seriously.
 
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It's been said time and time again..A DOMAIN IS ONLY WORTH WHAT THE BUYER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. DO NOT go by what these online appraisal websites say. Estibot is good for a number of things and when used properly it can give you some good statistics to work with..but if you are trying to price a domain by what estibot says it's worth you are a newb.

Should we then take for gospel the values our "expert" members so freely state in the appraisal forum ?
 
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