Estibot

[Debt.tv]

I know estibot is just a tool but I have a question about the value from estibot. Is there improper weighting on .com from every other domain. I know .com is king, but I noticed a $40,000 .com is only valued at $470 in a .net. I just think the balance is just a little off.

 

[adoka]

I had a legit offer for USD100,000 for one of my domains recently. Estibot.com values it at just over USD1,000.

 

[mwzd]

etittle52, Josh...errr....Esa will be the first to tell you its just a tool that gives an estimation based on the data available to it.

It's far from perfect. Though it does give some interesting info hence its useful.

Good Luck

 

[Mark]

Thread moved to "Discussion" - Please only use the appraisal section for actual appraisals of domains owned by you

As far as the .com Vs. .net question .... You can get plenty of arguements and opinions on that subject , But "To Me" .com should be weighted much heavier than other extensions. You dont mention a particular domain in your post - So it's impossible to break it down any further. .Net fits on certain type (niche) domains better than others (Networks etc ...) and may be appraised higher depending on that factor.

 

[Jeff]

I had a legit offer for USD100,000 for one of my domains recently. Estibot.com values it at just over USD1,000.

Which domain name was that? :gl:

Thanks for the assist.
-Jeff

 

[Debt.tv]

Alright, let me toss something else for discussion. I have read a lot about co.uk domains lately and how they are getting more and more valuable. If you had a choice of .net or co.uk, what would you pick.

If I had the choice, I think co.uk will be better than .net in the long term. So I pick co.uk

Oh, and sorry for posting this in the wrong forum.

 

[Spade]

If I had the choice, I think co.uk will be better than .net in the long term. So I pick co.uk Oh, and sorry for posting this in the wrong forum.

So your taking a ccTLD over the 2nd most popular gTLD? Im not trying to put down co.uk as I think its a worthwhile extension for anyone based on UK - however, as an investment - .net is better - no question in my mind.

 

[estibot.com]

can't really compare .co.uk and .net. If you've a business in the UK, .co.uk is definitely the extension to use. If you've got a worldwide market, .net might be better.

A lot of European countries have very strong ccTLDs in the internal market. It's the default extension, far more important to have the ccTLD than the corresponding .com, in some countries, even .net is generally preferred over .com.

However, with .net and .com you have a wordlwide recognition with a billion internet users, with .co.uk it's basically just the 60 million who default to .co.uk - not a small market by any means, but still, smaller.


Re the OP's question. Estibot does not really have a fixed .com -> .net rate or any other "exchange rate" between tlds. Well, it does, by default it's close to 10%, but it is adjusted for each domain. With one domain you may get .net value 20% of .com, and with another domain it might be 0.2%. Depends on the domain.

As always, the appraisal value is only meant as a helpful "quick look" summary of the stats. It's always worth looking at the raw data itself more than just the appraisal value.

Thanks-
Esa

I had a legit offer for USD100,000 for one of my domains recently. Estibot.com values it at just over USD1,000.

Of course you have..

Estibot appraisals are rough, but they are not that rough. It's very unlikely that estibot would give a mere $1,000 appraisal for a domain that's actually worth $100,000.

 

[mwzd]

Estibot appraisals are rough, but they are not that rough. It's very unlikely that estibot would give a mere $1,000 appraisal for a domain that's actually worth $100,000.

It does, specially with a ccTLD.

Try any .in recent sale. Poker dot in <= $3k on Estibot.

But I guess once these get fed into your db the results will catchup!

 

[John Doe]

Estibot gives you rough "technical" analysis based on keyword frequency, search activity, backlinks, extension, taken extensions and traffic. Automated system doesn`t catch usability, how this name fits to endusers business, willingness to pay, emotional appeal etc which are more important than technical categories. Importan component of market value is price of similar name sales. Does Estibot consider any sales data in his valuating formulas or not, I don`t know.

 

[estibot.com]

It does, specially with a ccTLD.
Try any .in recent sale. Poker dot in <= $3k on Estibot.
But I guess once these get fed into your db the results will catchup!

Yes Poker.in is an exception - it's 3k estibot vs 60k real sale price. Not quite 1k vs 100k though, and I haven't seen that happen though of course it's possible. I maintain that such a large discrepancy (while not impossible) is generally unlikely. I agree that ccTLD's are harder for EstiBot and this sort of discrepancy is more likely with them. That's because of lack of sales data for statistical analysis. For instance, the .in sales database is too small and there is too much variance to avoid this type of error from happening.

As you said, I'll try to improve as more sales data come in.

Estibot gives you rough "technical" analysis based on keyword frequency, search activity, backlinks, extension, taken extensions and traffic. Automated system doesn`t catch usability, how this name fits to endusers business, willingness to pay, emotional appeal etc which are more important than technical categories. Importan component of market value is price of similar name sales. Does Estibot consider any sales data in his valuating formulas or not, I don`t know.

Similar name sales is a very good, but very dangerous appraisal method. I've seen many appraisals use "similar" name sales based on similar keywords, resulting in an irrelevant comparison and poor appraisal. As you say, there is the emotional appeal and usability etc - all this can change with a single letter, let alone a word.

Estibot uses a large previous sales database (namebio.com plus my own), and in fact the very heart of the estibot method is comparison to similar name sales. However, because of the difficulties involved in automating a similar name value comparison, the algorithm does this slightly differently than you might think, and although this is of course a work in progress, I've tested many approaches and the current one delivers by far the best results, when statistical analysis is applied.

The method is not perfect of course, but what I'm trying to do is find a way to standardize domain values and figure out a way to give a standardized appraisal, a measure of the fundamental characteristics of a domain name, and the probable ballpark value in the current market. This value then needs to be adjusted for the special conditions you mentioned, and especially adjusted to the motivation of the buyer and seller.

This way I am hoping to provide a tool that can be used as the starting point of domain valuation.

It's not easy, but I keep trying...

 

[mwzd]

This way I am hoping to provide a tool that can be used as the starting point of domain valuation.

I quite like Estibot, just trying to offer constructive inputs.

It's not easy, but I keep trying...

Its not... And it is much appreciated by all I think.

I really like the fact that ovt/wt/freq and even related keywords are laid out perfectly in each appraisal, even though my own domains show reg fee :hehe:

Had a potential buyer throw these in my face when I told him how much I wanted for these -
rings/cigars/records .co.in

 

[Mark]

BTW Josh ... Love the "Bulk" appraisal tool

Pretty cool indeed.
Every time I've started writing a script for myself - You add new features and I stop again

 

[Work In Progress]

Esa, just checking to see if there have been any significant updates regarding .mobi names? I still get some pretty strange results from some of my developed names (two happen to be PR3 getting mid XXX to mid XXXX a month uniques) showing no traffic or backlinks (which they have some)

reg fee?
$20.00?

where's the mobi love? :hehe:

 

[estibot.com]

I quite like Estibot, just trying to offer constructive inputs.

Input/criticism much appreciated!

Every time I've started writing a script for myself - You add new features and I stop again

Any time you'd like to see some tool/feature on estibot, let me know!

I still get some pretty strange results from some of my developed names (two happen to be PR3 getting mid XXX to mid XXXX a month uniques) showing no traffic or backlinks (which they have some)

where's the mobi love? :hehe:

There is no love...but there is no discrimination either. I try to make things reflect the current market. .mobi has been very hard for me to analyze because of big variance & unstable/young market. Generally I prefer to err on the cautious side if possible.

Can you PM me the names, I could see why they are coming up with no traffic/backlinks?

 

[Work In Progress]

PM'ed you the info. Thanks inadvance for the help and the great tool!
Rep added

 

[Debt.tv]

Just one more question. How does it do with cctlds when it comes to language? Like .de using english words? I received a $4700 appraisal for a domain in .de but I didn't think it would work for germany. Do I just have to make a judgment call on those domains?

 

[estibot.com]

Just one more question. How does it do with cctlds when it comes to language? Like .de using english words? I received a $4700 appraisal for a domain in .de but I didn't think it would work for germany. Do I just have to make a judgment call on those domains?

Yes, you are right. English words are valuated too high (maybe) in .de and german words possibly too low. This is because the same universal algorithm is applied to all tld's. This is due to the limitations of the available resources; I only have reasonable access to English language search data. If I could afford to buy access to various country-specific data, you would have better appraisals and keyword data.

The thing is: everything costs money. Every single Estibot appraisal costs me money in the form of API access costs and other service costs. That's why I've decided to focus on the largest market, which is the English speaking market. I chose not to leave any ccTLD's out though, because I feel that the system can still give useful data.

I am working on some way to get around this; towards making each ccTLD valuation market-specific, i.e. the .de valuations would be analyzed for the German language market especially, but with the current resources it's unfortunately not really possible.

The answer to your last question - yes, make a judgement call especially with those, but really the same goes for all domains, even .com.

Thanks

 

[Diabro]

*snip*

estibot gave me an estimate within a few hundred dollars of offers I have received a couple of times on a domain name.

The offers were in $7,000 and estibot was close.

Unfortunately it was pretty unkind to 2 of my other domain names which makes me wonder at their actual value, not the power of estibot.

 

[.X.]

Estibot is the best auto valuation tool, I have ever used. how ever, It can not account for revenue a name makes, It is a great valuation tool though.